A folkboat found me

[RFNK]

Over the roller, past the forestay and onto the samson post. There's also a big cleat behind the samson post for extra security.

Re the forestay - look at your plans and you'll see that the standard forestay on a Folkboat meets the deck behind the samson post rather than in front of it. I don't know which arrangement is better from a sailing point of view except that I know our current setup does work well when sailing - the boat is very well balanced. Whatever you do, remember that the forestay needs to be fastened right through the stem.

I'll post some more photos of the furler in action. The photo above is a bit misleading as it was taken during installation, prior to putting the jib on. The halyard and the upper green bit go at the top of the sail. the halyard is attached to the green bit and the top of the jib is attached to the green bit.
Rick

[floatingkiwi]

And the whole thing fits over your existing stay, right?
As opposed to its own separate one?

I built a samson post way back , close to the hatch. But there is good room in front of the stay for anything I choose. Even the windlass fits there, although it isn't going to. I am thinking of one of the large original wooden and bronze cleats mounted in line with the centreline and an intake for some air which will travel through a fat hose to the bilge.
And yes, of course, the stay is connected securely to the stem.

[Candyfloss]

Definitely the plan shows the forestay as being well back from the stem, & I seem to recall seeing photos of a fitting that goes under the deck to secure the forestay to, that you took off early in this restoration. It also was a long way back. Because the attachment point for the headsail tack is well up the furler, typically 300mm or more, as well as there being a swivel fitting at the peak which prevents you from hoisting as high as you used to, you normally lose a lot of sail area when you fit a furler in the existing position. You have to cut a big chunk off your headsail to make it fit. A Folkboat is not overwhelmed with sail area as it is (Rick says he never reefs) so moving your forestay forward will allow you to maximize the sail area.

Usually the furler replaces the forestay. In that picture Rick has a haliard tied to his bow roller to hold the mast up while he messes about with the furler.

[RFNK]

That's all about right Graeme, and yes the furler fits to the existing forestay. In fact we only needed to cut very little off the foot of the sail - about 100cm I think. We've had strong winds nearly every day since I got back from VN and the furler has been great to have. We just set up the main in the track, and then everything can be done from the cockpit. When we want to drop the sails, again all that's needed is a quick trip to the mast to pull the main down and bundle it up, and everything else is done from the cockpit. Too easy.
Rick

[floatingkiwi]

OK,a fellow Kiwi on another thread I made, trying to discover the make of the thing, has successfully identified it as a Hood Seafurl 800. It is independent of the forestay, I believe.

[floatingkiwi]

It has been a while since I posted any pics of any progress so I threw the hatches on momentarily, and took a few shots of things as they are at present.
There will be changes and lots of tidying up etc, and obliviously, the hardware is comin out shortly.
She is almost waterproof. Then I can tear off the shelter,( which was erected in one night in the rain 18 months ago and has still to drop a drop of water on her)
and start playing around with the mast( which that reminds me, still requires some minor repair) and rigging.


I wanted to have the rail have a lip right around and did not want to mount the fairleads on top of the thing, so I built them into it.They still have the horizontal mounting flanges across the bottom, which are ground back slightly across the front face there, and screwed securely to the material beneath.









There are several scupper slots to release any water from the deck, along the rail. I am thinking of fabricating some nice copper pieces to line the openings, to seal and tidy things of a bit

[Larks]

I am amazed at how far you've come with this Kerry and I do very much like the uniqueness of the carving!!!!

[floatingkiwi]

That's all about right Graeme, and yes the furler fits to the existing forestay. In fact we only needed to cut very little off the foot of the sail - about 100cm I think. We've had strong winds nearly every day since I got back from VN and the furler has been great to have. We just set up the main in the track, and then everything can be done from the cockpit. When we want to drop the sails, again all that's needed is a quick trip to the mast to pull the main down and bundle it up, and everything else is done from the cockpit. Too easy.
Rick

Unless you want to anchor somewhere.

[floatingkiwi]

I am amazed at how far you've come with this Kerry and I do very much like the uniqueness of the carving!!!!

Thanks mate. Yeah, my landlord, he lives behind me on the property, just loves this project. He pops over time to time, excited to see the progress. After a few different things I tried with the cabinsides, he arrived to see this one day and reckons I finally made my mark on the look of the boat.
Nobody dislikes it. That is good. It is staying.
You know Greg, I was reading your thread and it seems there is the possibility, or the suggestion of it, that you might remove work to make better, some of the construction. If it is going to work out better, don't worry about the time it'll take mate. It is but a short moment compared to the rest of your time you'll be with the boat.
I have built this boat 3 times over man. Some things just fell right into place but other things, I have completely removed and redone, more than twice.
I am glad I did. I have recieved a lot more bang for the buck too, as far as experience goes. In theory, I have built, or at least restored, more than one boat.

[Larks]

Yes, I'm removing and replacing anything that really needs it, but I'm being fairly pragmatic about it and won't mess with anything that won't be greatly improved by doing so.

[RFNK]

Unless you want to anchor somewhere.

I hate anchoring. Boat's looking great Kerry!
Rick

[Larks]

Yes, if you must anchor, make friends with a bigger boat, invite them on board for a drink to admire your lovely yacht and then raft up to them and hang off of their nice big anchor (that they will pull up with their electric windlass) so that they can just stagger home instead of having to struggle into a dinghy and row back.

You'll sleep well, they won't notice that your still there and chances are they'll invite you for a nice cooked breaky the next morning.

[RFNK]

Good strategy Greg! No problem with a Folkboat - every boat is bigger!
Rick

[Larks]

It's a sgtrategy that I've employed to great effect (and much merryment) in the past.

[floatingkiwi]

Oh My God.

[chuckt]

BTW--Your Mayan router doodles turned out even nicer than I anticipated. I really like that--nice work.

[floatingkiwi]

It is for sure, an unexpectedly pleasant look.That is only two coats of varnish on there.

[Candyfloss]

That really is looking stunning Kerry. Love the way you've set the fairleads into the toerail. Excellent work. But mostly I just like the balance of the whole thing. Brilliant.

[floatingkiwi]

[P.L.Lenihan]

Very nice to see her advancing well like this Kerry! I'm inclined to think the windless is over-kill but only you and your back can decide in the end. And speaking of backs, I hope you place you gallon-a-pump job somewhere handy enough for you to stand while pumping on a nice long pump handle. If you can't stand and rock your body while pumping, you shant be pumping for long.DAMHIKT.


Cheers!

Peter

[floatingkiwi]

A gallon-a-pump job, Peter?
Yes, I have Big Ed, the two inch Edson.


I will mount it just under one of the seats in the cockpit and have a circular inspection port over it to allow access for its operation. The thing is bolted into a sturdy board which can be removed from underneath, inside the boat.

[floatingkiwi]

That really is looking stunning Kerry. Love the way you've set the fairleads into the toerail. Excellent work. But mostly I just like the balance of the whole thing. Brilliant.

Thanks Graeme. Thank you very much mate.I like that you mentioned my fairleads. I thought I was being pretty nifty with that little job.

[Lew Barrett]

She really is looking spectacular. Folkiness for the fussy. In a good way!

[jsjpd1]

Nice Kerry, very nice.

[BarnacleGrim]

This is what I was talking about! I'm simply awestruck by your fine work!

[floatingkiwi]

Thanks BG, It is GREAT to see you again. I thought you'd gone cruising without informing us of your plans.

[floatingkiwi]

Nice Kerry, very nice.

She really is looking spectacular. Folkiness for the fussy. In a good way!

You don't know how much your comments make it all so worthwhile.Thanks heaps guys.

[floatingkiwi]

Since I have been into this wooden boat thing, there are numerous occasions where I will stop and go , hey, hang on a minute mate, is that a real word? Or wonder why I hadn't heard of so many little cliche sayings and terms that surround, well, any profession or passtime.
The word SLATHER, I just took for granted was a made up word. It just sounds too much like what it means, you know what I mean?
Today, I decided that maybe it might be real and checked. Well I'll be a ........
slath·er (slăÞˈər)
transitive verb slath·ered, slath·er·ing, slath·ers


Informal

• To use or give great amounts of; lavish: slathered gifts and attention on their only child.
• a. To spread thickly: slather onions on the steak.
  b. To cover with something spread thickly: bagels slathered with cream cheese.

noun
Slang A great amount. Often used in the plural: slathers of jewels.



Who would've known eh? Hey why is this typing out blue? What the....Erkk

[RFNK]

Slather and epoxy do go together in restoration of old wooden boats, that's for sure!
Rick

[oakman]

Slather and epoxy do go together in restoration of old wooden boats, that's for sure!
Rick

Though perhaps they shouldn't

Oakman

[floatingkiwi]

Yes, I try to keep my slathering to a minimum.

[kazeai1969]

Looking great Kerry...hope mine looks half as good when I take her out of the barn in July!

[floatingkiwi]

Thank you.Your boat will be great Kazeai. No matter how many windows it has.
Where, as in which country, is the barn that has housed your boat mate?

[floatingkiwi]

I have been going hard out for several days sanding and scraping to get the entire surface to the same stage where I can slather on paint and varnish. The skin on the ends of my fingers, I tell ya, is very sore and tender, because they have been kinda sanded off.But the boat is close to tearing down the shelter so I can play with the mast and some wires.
I have a permanently fitted chart table of 7x3 feet that is NEVER in the way! It spans the boat from gunwale to gunwale, beneath the bridgedeck, protruding into the cabinspace slightly where it can be useful for other stuff aswell as a step down in the centre forward. Under the step is batteries at back under SDcockpit and long cubbyholes for charts etc either side.
The manual pump is under one side aswell.

Off to Hawaii again weekend after next. This time my surfboard is coming with me. The break with the weather there will be real nice.
It is freezing here every night with frost settling well before midnight each. Haven't had any snow, or storms at all for that matter, for at least a couple of weeks with record breaking daytime high temps around the area.
Weird.
It is winter. It'll snow some more yet.

[kazeai1969]

Hi Kerry,
It's in WoodWood Yachts' storage in Ontario, Canada.
Alex
PS please check the $$ baggage charge $$ because lugging your board all the way to the airport.

[floatingkiwi]

Were you meant to write" before" instead of "because", back there mate?
I will do that now. I think it is like 100 bucks. Extortion but worth it to have my own stick wit me.

[kazeai1969]

Haha yes or you could just add "only to find out that it will cost you $500 return would be a real pain in the arse".....

[chuckt]

I don't think you should go. The salt water around Hawaii will be painful on your raw fingertips. (Just jealous).

[floatingkiwi]

Haha yes or you could just add "only to find out that it will cost you $500 return would be a real pain in the arse".....

Instead of the hassle of carrying it and the possibility of damage and excessive rates from disgruntled staff, I go for the rental. Thanks for that Kazeai.
The place is set up for rentals offering equipment for all levels. I feel like a bloody tourist looking at all this travel stuff online, I had better get outside and slather myself with some toxic substances to bring myself right.

[floatingkiwi]

Self tailing winches......
What are your thoughts on these things. Pros and cons?

[RFNK]

They're great on boats with large genoas or jibs but unnecessary on a Folkboat as you're never drawing much sheet through the winch. In fact you rarely need the sheet winches at all - good for a bit of fine tuning. I'm going to put an asymmetrical spinnaker on Pipsqueak one day though and then I suspect I might wish for self-tailing winches. Overall though, I think the standard Folkboat winches are just right for the boat.
Rick

[floatingkiwi]

We may have discussed this but I have a spinnaker or two and a couple of poles. Would I need extra rigging to fly that thing other than additional preventer backstays?
Probably need a crew member too eh?
Also got a twin headsail that is joined as one luff.

[Larks]

I don't know anything about your particular rig Kerry, but you shouldn't nead aditional rigging to fly a spinnaker, other than setting up for an uphaul and downhaul and sheet and brace, and you only nead one spinnaker pole,

[floatingkiwi]

Yeah, I cannot use the headstay as it only goes a fraction of the way to the mast top.
I understand that one pole is used, however that twin headsail I have, is like a jib shape, but there is two of them joined at the luff to fly together as a regular jib, oropened out and poled out both sides like a pointed top quadrilateral shaped spinnaker in a way.
One can fix lines off each one , running back to the tiller for downwind self steering aswell as other things. I think they have been referred to by some as a "twizzle" or some odd name like that.The material is ultra light yet stiffer than a spinnakers.
Here we go.

[Larks]

That's pretty cool, I quite like that idea.

I'd be interested to know what is the norm' for flying a kite on a Folkboat, having a fractional rig it may be normal to fly a fractional kite, but I don't see any reason why you couldn't set up to fly a masthead kite. Rick may be able to shed some more knowledgeable light on this.

One thing that (in my opinion I think) you should remember when you get out on the water is that there really are no strict rules as far as what sails to set where, you have the luxury of experimenting with whatever you want to see what works well in different situations (and what might break things).

I had a mate tell me this when I set off cruising for an extended period and as a result whenever conditions permitted I'd drag out whatever rags I had on board (or in some cases whatever I could borrow from another yacht if I knew I was going to see it again further along the way) and had quite a bit of fun experimenting. I was really only limited by the number of halyards that I had available.

[RFNK]

You really have a couple of options as far as spinnakers go. You can fly a short one that simply attaches to the jib halyard - this would be fine unless you have a self-furler set up for the jib. Or you can fly a bigger one by setting up another halyard further up the mast. You have to fiddle with this as you need to make sure that you don't foul the little diamond spreaders. As Greg says, you need to also rig an uphaul and downhaul to manage the spinnaker pole. The spinnaker pole should be the length of the distance from the mast base to the forestay - this length puts a good shape into the sail and allows easier gybing with the spinnaker and also when you have the jib poled out. I'm probably going to get an asymmetrical spinnaker. This can be poled out but doesn't need to be - it works like a big baggy genoa. I'll put one of those snuffing socks on it to aid with raising and lowering. I think this is a better arrangement for short handed sailing.
Rick

[floatingkiwi]

Interestingly enough Greg, I have been contemplating just so, with the try out different sails idea. It is good to hear it from someone else.
Rick, I was reading a thread somewhere else about some guys setup for single man did sailing on his boat and that sock thing sounds like a good idea that keeps one off the potentially hazardous foredeck to operate.

[mgiudici]

hi to all, my name is Marco, from Genoa, Italy, i am just registered in this Forum because a nordic folkboat found me too ;-)
i have just bought the Nordic Folkboat # 152 buil in 1952 in Denmark by Brandt-Mollers Boatyard, they still built these boats today.
at the beginning of March the boat will be transported to Cantiere Navale Ernesto Riva http://www.barcheriva.it/ for a complete refitting before to start to sail in the Mediterranean circuit of sail race for old and classic boat http://www.cim-classicyachts.org/?lang=EN&
any suggestion about this boat and its refitting will be welcome
thank you

[floatingkiwi]

Greeting Marco D'Italia.
Welcome to the wooden boat forum. Congratulations on being another person who was found by a folkboat.
You have come to the right place mate, for all your folkboat requests.
There is a good bunch of guys around here who know their stuff, and some that think they do, (like me), that are more than happy to share everything there is needed to know.
Brandt-Mollers Boatyard indeed. Now there is a place I would like to visit.
Marco, the first thing you gotta do is get a camera and post some pics here so we can see what you've got. That is numero Uno. And 2nd, have a beer and be happy to be a proud folkboat owner.

[floatingkiwi]

Now that is a cool looking joint . I am sure your boat will be just fine there.