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    Yes, there she was,her neglected, shabby,demasted,bird evidence covered, winchless hull sitting perfectly level on an inside section of a floating dock, with maybe one more winter before scattered beginnings of rot from the top down would take a hold on her at the sheer clamps.
    I fell in love with her immediately and she is now sitting on a custom built trailer in my driveway with the hull stripped of all paint but a trace here and there, inside and out. I have removed the structure down to the deck beams fore and aft and apart from steaming and sistering a few strips of oak at some frames, am satisfied with the state of soundness.
    Time is something I have a lot of right now but money is not.Everything so far has cost me nothing but some bartered labour and the kindness of some fine folk who wanted to see unused stuff, get put to use again.
    I love wood and I love boats so she is the focus of my life right now and I am optimstically speculating that within a year ,her sails,( when I get some),will be filling with air.
    I think this forum is awesome and that it is a privelege to post on it,( this being my first),and anything anybody has to offer would be very much appreciated.
    Say, one question for those you have taken the time to get this far, thank you very much;

    What is the bright orange paint on the inside of the hull at and below the waterline and should I be particular about reapplying this,what looks like,specially formulated bilge primer, or something of the like.
    For that matter, can anyone recommend from the wood out, every application I will be needing, inside and out, to the finish.
    I know paints are specially formulated for particular applications and I would say, apart from bloody outer space,would any environment be more demanding of their certain uses than that of the mighty marine.
    Fair seas, safe return.
    Kerry . New Zealander living in California.

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    Kerry, that bright red/orange paint is called 'red lead primer'. It is the traditional primer used on wood below the waterline. Use the search function, there has been much discussion here.

    Folkboats are great, good luck.



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    Which "Bay Area" are you in, mate?

    Yep that orange coloured stuff is red lead primer. Great stuff for keeping rot at bay and as a primer over wood and metal -- but rather toxic also. Use nitrile gloves and a good respirator when sanding it / removing it.

    You can get red lead primer to replace it via various sources...depending on location.
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    darn! that folkboat was looking for me!
    congratualtions.

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    Restoring a Folkboat is surely a labour of love. Taking the deck right off is a good move. You should also probably look at dropping the ballast too so that you can replace the keel bolts, probably with larger ones unless you want to repair the keel where the keel bolts will have damaged the timber if they've been rusting. While you're at it, remove the chainplates as their fasteners will probably be corroded. Also remove those cracked ribs and replace them rather than leave them in to rot. They're only small so it's easy enough to steam up new ones or even easier to laminate new ones with thin strips and epoxy. Removing the fastenings from the old ones will also give you a chance to see what the fastenings are really like, so you'll be able to see whether you need to replace a whole lot more. If I were you I'd be making structural repairs wherever you can to avoid rot rather than try to find a paint that'll do that for you. If you make sure that the boat is dry inside, all joints are tight and you haven't left any timber with rot in it anywhere, then you'll only need to paint the inside with good quality timber primer, quality undercoat etc. If you start saturating it with exotic chemicals you're likely to end up with a hull that's more difficult to repair and maintain later on and probably poison youself in the process. Red lead's horrible stuff - that's why you can't get it anymore, so take the advice above and use protection when you're sanding it or scraping it (especially if you're applying heat). By the way, a cheap electric heat gun and a stiff, thin, sharp paint scraper were the tools i found most valuable when I restored our Folkboat. These tools will remove paint, epoxy, oil and moisture - cheap and invaluable.

    Having the deck off is a real luxury when you're restoring a Folkboat (unless you're really into yoga). If I were you, I'd try to complete as much of the hull and interior as possible, especially in the bow and stern, before you replace the deck. Once the deck is back on, it's really tiresome getting into those dark and barely accessible places!

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    Congratulations from another Folkboater!

    Is it a true Nordic (which is clinker built), or is it a derivative?
    1947 Nordic Folkboat "Nina"

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    What is a true Nordic and a derivative,and how do I find out. Or is it plain bloody obvious just lookin' at her with one blurry eye at night time?
    Did I hear right at some time the place of construction may be carved into the stem or somewhere like that.
    The breasthook is out and I canna find any inscriptions. I would love to find out and to know what her name used to be, but then.... the mystery.


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    According to the Nordic Folkboat class rules, it is always clinker (lapstrake) built, has a length of 7.68 m, 2.20 m beam and 24.00 m˛ of sail area. Try asking the San Francisco Bay Folkboat Assosiation if they perhaps have the boat on record, though without sails it may be difficult to identify it.

    One boat commonly referred to as a folkboat in English-speaking countries is the International Folkboat, but to avoid confusion, this is always referred to as an IF-boat in Sweden. The IF-boat is carvel planked.
    1947 Nordic Folkboat "Nina"

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    Kerry, congratulations and have you any photos to post so we can see what you bought?

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    Kerry, congratulations on becoming a "Folky".

    Though WBF class rules stipulate that you can't come on here with news of a new boat without following up quick smart with some pics!!!

    All the best with it anyway, have fun
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    Yeah. Photos and all kinds of stuff to come soon

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    Well, that's all very well Larks but HOW do you post pictures to this forum? The allowed file size is so small I can't get anything to load without turning it into a pixellated mess! I'm sure it's easy but not for Philistines like me! What's the trick?

    To the not yet Floating Kiwi - Is it clinker/lapstrake? Is the mast forward of the cabin or stepped on an extended cabin? Try looking for a carved `ID' number on the beam shelf, near or slightly forward of the mast. Of course the real test is this - sail it around for a bit and if every second sailor says `What a beautiful Folkboat - I used to have one of those!' then it's probably a Nordic Folkboat. The other test is this - if you can only get 6-7 knots out of it during the day but it hops up on the plane in the dark of night, then it's definitely a Nordic Folkboat! Hope it is! Rick

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    Bloody hell, I just wrote a big page of stuff and then went back a page to do something and lost the lot,

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    Why would she be faster at night RFNK, aaah Rick?

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    Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. Can you all remember the first time ya posted and the flood of response from people you don't know but feel like ya do?
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    Ah, this is a secret that only Nordic Folkboat sailors know but no one else believes. Out at sea, in the dark of night, when no one can see it to verify or otherwise, the Viking spirit of the Folkboat takes flight - she slips along leaving all multihulls, fantastic plastics and other pretenders in her phosphorescent wake.

    Why does this happen? My theory is that it's simply Heaven's just reward for months of squeezing the body into those tiny, uncomfortable spaces during restoration and for the months of bashing your head on the forward cabin top interior that is inevitable until you get used to the idea that you have a Folkboat.

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    And what would her name be , Rick?

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    Yes, the chainplates are long gone and the new ones will run down outside the ship to discourage that leaky spot we have all cringed at. See any disadvantages to the rigging being further apart ?
    All the paint is gone and I still haven't touched her with sandpaper or heat gun.Most of the toxis stuff was removed whilst quite wet to aid softening and it carved off like it was dried mud on there.
    Another thing I have been doing is throwing handfuls of rock salt around inside and hosing it to the bilge before mopping it over all the woodwork to stop her drying out too fast and the salt, well we all know that boats rot from the top down because of the rain, right.
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    pixellated mess?

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    Yeah, the mast, WAS forward of the cabin. There was just a big hole there when she found me. I will be deck stepping a wooden mast I have,of the correct length and have yet to strip and rerig it the same as the Folkboat Associations racing specs so that I have something to go from with the tuning etc.
    I think a deck stepped mast has more advantages than not.
    But ah, the viking spirit you mentioned, do you know what her name is or were you referring to a folkboat when you mentioned "she"?
    By the way, nice tale.

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    Ah, I am in the same Bay Area as you are mate. And yes, I think your hat is a winner!

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    If you use the edit button you won't have to double post so much.

    How is your boat planked?
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    Sadly, the name of the Folkboat and therefore her Viking spirit is `Pipsqueak'. This is the name that came with the boat and SWMBO won't let me change it. Of course, each time I do something really stupid either with or to the boat (this is common), I know that it's not me, it's really the Viking spirit wreaking revenge for keeping this inappropriate (and obviously not original) name.

    Pixellated mess - this is what I get when I try to reduce photos to a size acceptable to the WBF. Patrick has helpfully given me a bit of a guide so I'll try that out soon. I'll send a photo of Pip!

    By the way, I'm assuming your boat is carvel planked if you're planning to run the chainplates down the outside? They're normally set on a frame on the inside of a clinker boat. If they're like that, I'd keep that arrangement. In any case, I'd advise against putting them on the outside - it's just not a something you'd do to a Folkboat! Our boat has an aluminium rig stepped to the deck, with a hollow stainless compression post. We also have upper and lower stays - the boat's set up for cruising, not racing. Rick

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    The cruising setup is something I was aiming toward, that being what I will be using it for mostly. I just wasn't sure if the little gal would suit anything much more , or need, than a basic fractional sloop setup. My mast already has two spreaders and it seems like it would go straight up no worries, But what do I know, I have never set up a sailboat before. Not to say I don't know what to do before I actually do it and I know my way around the old briny OK..Yeah I am all for those long voyages to anywhere.
    I have an old 4 cyl Palmer but I think I will save the weight and the room for more important things one might need on one such excursions. A weights room or a little shrubbery, no, aaah.
    Barney Grim.The boat, I think I have named Fljuga if the spirit allows it,is planked with approx 8" boards overlapping longtitudinally and fastened with roves to steam bent 1 by 1" oak frames running into the bilge. A rather beautiful look. Reminds me of a viking warship, I am not sure why, I have never seen one.
    So do you think, guys, that changing the chainplate position might adversely affect how I load up the gunwales and all?
    What is SWMBO?
    And try using Shutterfly or Photobucket, cyber storage for photos and files,( God knows where), which is free and you can guide people to your material by way of hyperlink,no matter where you are! I will have some photos there soon. As soon as I can retrieve them from my recently sick computer.
    Kerry
    Hey, thanks for the editing tip.

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    Thank you, Sir

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    SWMBO is not a "what;" it's a who. It stands for "She Who Must Be Obeyed;" maybe you don't have one? If you do, I'm sure that the acronym will become instantly clear.

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    There really is not a lot of Viking spirit to the Folkboat at all. Viking ships are open double enders. Stern and bow strakes were carved out of naturally curved wood, so that grain of the strakes would follow the grain of the keel and stem as closely as possible, and thus expand and contract more uniformly. Pretty clever, but impractical by today's standards.
    1947 Nordic Folkboat "Nina"

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    And resulting in no end grain to absorb water and you know what. So what did you deduce from my explanation of the planking arrangement , Barnie.
    So what is everybodys valued opinion on the chainplate and mast scenario?
    Erieguy, I am married but certainly do not see my wife as someone I must Obey, Ever. I do whatever I want to,when I want to. I don't believe that wedlock is an opportunity to change or control someone or be treated that way. In return, I expect my wife to do whatever she wants to whenever she wants, hell she will anyway, right, God Bless her.

    "We are always halfway, to whereever it was we started from ".
    No offense to those who feel they must obey.

    Well you guys sure aint givin much away in the question and answer department
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    It was not meant to be taken seriously. If it was, I wouldn't be rebuilding a Folkboat right now.

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    And I was not directed anything personally at all mate. Just waffling on.I think I know everything but luckily I know that I don't.
    Say, are you rebuilding a folkboat too?
    Is it for the fresh water?
    What stage are you at and where did you start from?
    They are beautifully made creatures aren't they.
    All the best
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    It seems I have lost contact with my mate, Rick, with the cruising setup I would like to know more about

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    NYFK,
    Not lost, just otherwise occupied for a few days. This happens in my work. Glad to hear that your SWMBO can do as she likes - mine does too!

    Your boat is clinker. You cannot put the chainplates on the outside - you'll be arrested if you do that, and if not, you should be! As far as the positioning of the stays goes lengthwise, that's too technical for me to answer but there would be plenty of people who use this forum who could advise you on this. I can measure the positions on our boat for you but I can't do that until returning to Oz after December. The standard Nordic Folkboat has only two shrouds, and very flexible timber spars. I don't think this is a suitable setup for coastal cruising on Australia's East Coast so we've kept the twin shrouds on each side (uppers and lowers) that the boat had when we bought it. The boat performs very well, the mast remains flexible enough for our purposes, the running backstay works beautifully - I can't see any advantage in leaving the boat vulnerable to losing the mast in big swell by relying on only one shroud. Those who race these boats in rough conditions - it certainly gets rough in San Francisco Bay, for example, may disagree with me on this though, so don't take my word for it.

    We completed a fairly major restoration of our boat and I'm very happy with it. The current setup seems to work beautifully for our purposes. And it's as solid as the proverbial (Ozzie expression that I can't use on this forum). I'm happy to assist you along your way with your boat with the caveat that you take note of the many others who will add comments worthier than mine. Let us know what you're up to and if possible, I'll chip in with my twobob's worth. I'll sort out a subscription to Photobucket or whatever it is and send pictures when I can - although I'd STILL like to know how others put decent pictures in their posts!!

    To Barnacle Grim - please don't mention your theory re absence of Viking spirit to Pipsqueak (or whoever she really is) (aka SWMRBO) if you ever have the opportunity to climb aboard, or at least warn me first!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    NYFK,
    To Barnacle Grim - please don't mention your theory re absence of Viking spirit to Pipsqueak (or whoever she really is) (aka SWMRBO) if you ever have the opportunity to climb aboard, or at least warn me first!
    Noted! Unless of course the crew starts wearing helmets with horns, in which case I must object.
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    [quote=RFNK;2011083]NYFK,
    Not lost, just otherwise occupied for a few days. This happens in my work. Glad to hear that your SWMBO can do as she likes - mine does too!

    Your boat is clinker. You cannot put the chainplates on the outside - you'll be arrested if you do that, and if not, you should be! .quote]

    For what it's worth I have seen a folkboat down on the GC that has the chainplates on the outside, they are set to blocks that are checked around the planks. I'll be back down there in a week so if I can find it again I'll see if I can take a pic of it.
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    Yeah,after studying drawings I have made of the idea, I feel like arresting myself.
    Hey, good to hear you are the leniant husband type, aswell, Rick. And thanks heaps for the offer, I will certainly look forward to whatever lies ahead.
    I am thinking of going to Amazon tonight,( the online store),and purchasing some high build, below the water,( whatever is underneath the sea I am not sure), primer and fairing compound. What the heck. I have bare wood just asking to be turned white.
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    Larks
    Please do send the pic! Must make for pretty wet sailing when on a wind!! Rick

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