Design suggestions 36-38 feet

[bloggs68]

Hi all,

I have trowelled the net for different designs and now I thought I would try here.

I'm looking for something with the following attributes;

36-38' loa/lod (bowsprit ok)

not too fat - 10'6 to 12' beam

draft - around 5'6" - 6'

Moderate displacement around 8-10 ton

cutter rig sloop

traditional styling/looks with short overhangs

long keel with cut away fore foot or long fin and skeg

Ocean capable cruising boat

Construction -WEST strip with cold molded overlay ( don't flame me that's what I want)



Any suggestions out there???

regards,

AD

[SaltyD from BC]

Maybe not yachty enough for some, but I'm a fan of George Buehler's Designs. Here's the ~ 37 ft Juna



He shows several sister designs, smaller and bigger, including a square sterned variation about the same length if that's your bag..

http://www.georgebuehler.com/photothumbs.html

[kc8pql]

My Buehler designed boat fits most of your description, his 37.5' Jenny design. Sorry for the poor photo quality. The boat that took it was about a mile away.

[paladin]

a 35 foot Hess type Bristol channel cutter...almost as big as a 40 footer inside but finer overall.....

[TogaMan]

a 35 foot Hess type Bristol channel cutter...almost as big as a 40 footer inside but finer overall.....

Hi folks, new here. I am fascinated with all of the Lyle Hess designs floating around here on this forum. That's great! I grew up on a 40' Hess designed Motorsailer Cutter named "Sea Wings" (built in 1935 by Bill Whiting in Long Beach/LA Harbor?). Have no idea whatever happened to that boat; my late father sold her off back in the late 1980's/early 90's. Anyway, this was one versatile boat. Surprisingly, it sailed very well, especially under stiff winds and heavy seas. There was a Marlin Chair and even a piano onboard (another story!). Anyway, I have often wondered why I never seen too many of these as I felt the design was under-rated. In 1974 and 1976, Sea Wings placed 1st and 2nd in the Ancient Mariner's wooden boat regatta.....under sail.....I won't say it was a racing boat by any stretch.....but the lines were quite nice under the waterline and would sail better than most folks would expect a motorsailer to sail.

We used to charter the boat during the summers in Avalon, Catalina. At one point, my father installed a temporary crows nest and a Swordfish plank! (What was he thinking?).

Broke the original mast back in 1975 between Sausalito and the GG Bridge. My father almost sank it a year or two later off San Simeon; 15 foot seas and the boat came down off a wave and hit a floater log (probably from Oregon). Coast guard came out and sent frogmen out because the seas were too rough to tie up. Plus, the pumps did not start. Fortunately, they made it in to dry dock; but not without waist deep water in the cabin I was told. Sea Wings was tough as nails (no contest for that log ripping a 1' hole through planks...).

I would love to see someone build a varient of the Sea Wings. The Queen Elizabeth had really pretty transom but was otherwise similar.

Anyway, thought I'd share a little bit and give the Hess Designs a plug. (BTW, My Grand Uncle, Prescott Wilson, designed the rig on the Star class and later, J-Boats back in the day...my appreciation of boat design runs in my blood I guess!). My original dream as a kid was to design sailboats; but alas, I design/build guitars instead. Still like to poke my nose in at the wooden boat community from time to time!

Cheers!
Jonathan

[Paul Pless]

My original dream as a kid was to design sailboats; but alas, I design/build guitars instead. Still like to poke my nose in at the wooden boat community from time to time!

Cheers!
Jonathan

Welcome to the forum.

btw,You'll find guitar threads in the bilge.

[Captain Blight]

Bruce Roberts is a respected naval architect with proven designs.

[paladin]

I would suggest avoiding Bruce Roberts designs....

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

http://www.burnettyachtdesign.co.uk/010zinnia.html

http://www.burnettyachtdesign.co.uk/113cutter.html

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

I agree with PIST.

Then, of course, there's this one:

[bloggs68]

Keep 'em coming guys.

Kc8 - The Juno is a nice looking boat but I don't want a chine boat. Did you build her? Beautiful job.

I'm not keen on Roberts designs. Although practical and they have got many people in to boat building/boat ownership they just don't do it for me.

Paladin - yes, something similar to a Hess in looks but more suited to strip planking. A mate of mine (pro boatbuilder) recently completed a 32' Hess, strip planked and the shape was a bit of pain to plank although the result looked lovely. Did Hess do a larger version around the 36-38' mark?

Burnett designs - that 113 is nearly there. Now doesn't this bloke have an eye! Although the bowsprit and bumkin look very salty, I see it as something else to break ( and build) I would like to keep the rig inboard if at all possible. Maybe a short sprit like his design 135
http://www.burnettyachtdesign.co.uk/...s/135-pic.html
Any other designs similar to the Burnett designs?
Certainly his designs are a great starting point. Anyone know what his plan prices are like?

regards,

AD

[Roger Cumming]

All anyone can do is suggest designs they like which fit your specifications. Instead of chasing designs other people like why not make a list of designers you've heard of or like, go to a library or bookshop and start looking at the designs fitting generally your needs. You may find a few designers whose work appeals to you. Some designers have their works published (Alden, Stephens, Rhodes, Crocker, Herreshoff (LF and N), Francis Kinney and many others. Look up the four books of "Good Boats" by Roger Taylor and read about the boats he thought were good. Look up Rudder magazine which published continuously for many years and included a new design every month. Our sponsor offers many books of designs including boats of the class you are interested in. Ultimately, you will find one that you love and must have. It may be one that others find unappealing but that matters little if you like it.

[alkorn]

Mark Smaalders "Kahuna" is pretty, the right construction, and the right displacement. It's only 32 feet on deck, but the bowsprit probably brings it up to 36-38 feet. Smaalders is supposed to be working on a 38 foot LOD version. http://www.smaalders.net/yacht_design/kahuna1.htm

[bloggs68]

Thanks alkorn,

Another one I had forgot about. So many boats, so little time.....

regards,

AD

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Take a good look here:

http://www.albertstrange.org/

For beauty, speed under sail and ease of handling, these are as good as you will get.

[TogaMan]

What do you do with a drunken sailor. "" "". Put em in the Bilge and make him drink it.....

Sea Chanties in the bilge?

J

[RodB]

Ed Burnett offers some great designs... and his designs can be built modern composite construction.

http://www.burnettyachtdesign.co.uk/saildesign.html

http://www.burnettyachtdesign.co.uk/103psyche.html

http://www.burnettyachtdesign.co.uk/114cutter.html

http://www.burnettyachtdesign.co.uk/135.html

RodB

[tossedman]

How about one of Paul Gartside's boats.

Here's a 40 foot, Colin Archer style double ended cutter.

A bit longer than you wanted but no bowsprit.

Todd

[donald branscom]

I think that keeping away from bowsprits and boomkins is very smart, and they get broken ALL THE TIME.

Choose the sloop rig and just use a storm sail in the main.
The cutter rig has the mast 22% further aft so it is a little harder to get balanced.

For the ocean.

Use intermediate's that go all the way to the top of the mast.
Have the lowers and staysail stay go to the same point on the mast.

[shamus]

http://astro.temple.edu/~bstavis/pr/rhodes-cutter.htm
Rhodes Cutter #398