looking for someone to draw up some plans

[Toddb]

I have looked for plans for a 19' Stone Horse and been unable to locate. So now I am considering the possibility of having them drawn. I have already contacted a few designers with no luck. It seems the job is too small for them to mess with. I have a picture what I want the sailboat to look like at
http://www.stonehorse19.satxus.com/ . So take a look and emaill me at tab@satxus.com if interested.

Thanks,
Todd
San Antonio Texas

[JimConlin]

You might contact Crocker's descendants.
www.crockersboatyard.com/

[frank pedersen]

If you can accept a little variation in your requirements, a Dudly Dix Cape Cutter 19 (www.dixdesign.com), meets most of your criteria. For a small fee, the designer probably could modify the foredeck lines to conform more to a Stonehorse's appearance.

[botebum]

Just out of curiosity, why not the 21' that you have pictured in the link?

Doug

[kenjamin]

If you were to completely price out the cost of the build of the Stone Horse 19, what do you think that would be? If you were to sell your completed 19' Stone Horse five years from now, what do you think you would get for it? There's a 21' Eddy and Duff Stone Horse for sale used on e-bay for $17000 or best offer. (No profit for me if you were to purchase it).



These are the kinds of questions you might want to ask yourself.

If you just gotta build your own boat (and believe me, I know the feeling), I would vote for the Dudley Dix 19 Cutter. Mr. Dix is an intelligent, helpful, responsive, (living) designer who can help you somewhat through the process of building and his cutter is probably lighter, faster and a lot more fun to sail than a Stone Horse. The 21' Stone Horse is a classic and many people admire them but I doubt (from what I've read) that a 19' version would keep the same kind of resale value.

[Toddb]

If you can accept a little variation in your requirements, a Dudly Dix Cape Cutter 19 (www.dixdesign.com), meets most of your criteria. For a small fee, the designer probably could modify the foredeck lines to conform more to a Stonehorse's appearance.

I have seen the Dudly Dix Cape Cutter 19 and at a last resort that would be the one to build.

Thanks,
Todd b

[Toddb]

Just out of curiosity, why not the 21' that you have pictured in the link?

Doug

I have a 3 car garage to build the boat in. When finished it would be stored in one end. So I am restricted to 19'-10" inside length.

[Toddb]

If you were to completely price out the cost of the build of the Stone Horse 19, what do you think that would be? If you were to sell your completed 19' Stone Horse five years from now, what do you think you would get for it? There's a 21' Eddy and Duff Stone Horse for sale used on e-bay for $17000 or best offer. (No profit for me if you were to purchase it).



These are the kinds of questions you might want to ask yourself.

If you just gotta build your own boat (and believe me, I know the feeling), I would vote for the Dudley Dix 19 Cutter. Mr. Dix is an intelligent, helpful, responsive, (living) designer who can help you somewhat through the process of building and his cutter is probably lighter, faster and a lot more fun to sail than a Stone Horse. The 21' Stone Horse is a classic and many people admire them but I doubt (from what I've read) that a 19' version would keep the same kind of resale value.

I too agree that it would not have the resale value. I just love that classic look. I am a custom furniture builder and so building the boat is very possible for me. I would never be able to get my money out of it, but that is not a concern. Although you are probally right in the fact that the Cutter 19 is probally lighter and faster. Where I live wood boats are not very popular. But I love the look of classic wood design and maybe can incorporate it in what ever I do.

Thanks for the input,
Todd b

[Toddb]

Just out of curiosity, why not the 21' that you have pictured in the link?

Doug

The 21' would not fit in my garage. I need to store it inside at my house. Its just easier to have it at home and inside out of the weather.

[botebum]

Todd, for economy's sake I would look at designs already there. Drawing up a new boat might cost more than extending the garage.

Doug

[rbgarr]

Your requirement for four bunks in a 19 foot boat will be very hard to achieve as may be the weight limit (the one in your link is 4400 pounds http://www.engl.niu.edu/mday/rosy.html ). Can the children sleep in the cockpit under a boom tent? If you could arrange a deck stepped mast a 'loft bunk' for kids under the forward raised deck might be possible, but it would crowd the interior.

Bruce King, a retired yacht designer in East Boothbay, Maine, designed and built this 20 footer for himself. He may be persuaded to sell a set of plans for Frog Princess. I don't know what the 20 foot measurement includes and it's not plywood construction.

[chrisk]

That looks like the "Frog Princess" on page 51 of Dave Gerr's "Pocket Cruisers for the Backyard Builder". Stats:

LOA 20'
LWL 17'
Beam 7' 8"
Draft 4' 8"
SA 269 sq ft
Disp 3200 lbs
round bottom, cold-molded wood epoxy with a fin keel

The write up mentions and interesting feature for the companionway:

The mast location poses a real problem - how on earth do you slide open the companionway hatch? King didn't want to eliminate the hatch and lose the standing head room and ventilation it gives. His solution is - as far as I know - unique. The companion slide is actually two companion slides side by side. A hinged section closes to seal the center of the hatch tight and opens to form a slot in the hatch for the mast. Although somewhat complicated, it's an eminently practical solution to an age old problem.

You can see what he's talking about in the picture.

[StevenBauer]

Ooh, that's a purdy boat.


There are lots of nice boats in that size range. Golent Gaffer, Wee Seal, EunMara...


Steven

[JimM]

Toddb
Unless you cut the tongue off your trailer a 19 foot boat on a trailer won't fit in a 19' 10" garage.

[outofthenorm]

Fellow Forumite Roger Long has this design - his version of the Stone Horse.
21 ft Sloop

[kenjamin]

Toddb
Unless you cut the tongue off your trailer a 19 foot boat on a trailer won't fit in a 19' 10" garage.

It ain't necessarily so.



This is Nick Grainger's custom trailer for his Caledonia Yawl, Crazybird.

I've bought the unit from West Marine that is a retrofit kit but have not installed it yet.
It folds the tongue of the trailer out of the way of the garage door closing.

[kenjamin]

Todd,

The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that a modern epoxy ply design (like Dudley Dix's Cutter 19) will be so much easier to tow than a 19' Stone Horse, that is, if the Stone Horse 19 were built like a 21' Stone Horse. At trailer weight for the Dix Cutter 19 there is a wide range of vehicles that could tow it comfortably. Even my 2.7 liter Tacoma could probably get her to the coast and back again. Again, I have no profit coming to me if you choose the Dix design but they don't call them "Stone" Horses for nothing. With the price of gas, it would be a shame to build a boat that would cost a fortune to use. Good luck with whatever you choose to build and keep us posted.

Fair winds, kenjamin

[Toddb]

Toddb
Unless you cut the tongue off your trailer a 19 foot boat on a trailer won't fit in a 19' 10" garage.

I all ready have the custom trailer that come apart so that the
boat will fit very snug in my garage.

[Toddb]

Todd, for economy's sake I would look at designs already there. Drawing up a new boat might cost more than extending the garage.

Doug

Your right, my wife pointed that out. Maybe I will cut out the back wall and extend the garage a little.

Thanks
Todd b

[Steve Paskey]

Todd: Have you tried Paul Fisher in the UK, at www.selway-fisher.com ? He's a very active designer, has done numerous projects smaller than this one, and has experience in both adapting traditional designs to modern construction (both strip-plank and ply) and adapting existing designs to a longer or shorter length.

[rbgarr]

...they don't call them "Stone" Horses for nothing.

The boat is named after Stone Horse Shoal, a set of shallows off Cape Cod.

[chrisk]

Todd: Have you tried Paul Fisher in the UK, at www.selway-fisher.com ?

Yeah, take a look at his "White Swan". It has a 19' 6" length and apparently can be configured with an inboard engine.

The plans also now include details of a modified centreboard arrangement along with details of an inboard engine installation. The engine is a 9 hp Yanmar and the new arrangement keeps the centreboard below the cabin sole with control to the cockpit. 19’6’’ LOA x 7’3’’. Approx. wht. 2800 Ibs. Incl. 800 Ibs. ballast.

[donald branscom]

Toddb
Unless you cut the tongue off your trailer a 19 foot boat on a trailer won't fit in a 19' 10" garage.

Yes you can make it work.
Just cut off the trailer tongue and weld a trailer hitch reciever (or just buy the tube and drill the hole), onto the tongue of the traile r on the top or bottom and then you can insert the tube with coupler into the reciever. that is welded on the trailer.

[donald branscom]

I will show you a lot less expensive solution.
Make sure to weld a cap onto the end of the trailer tongue, so water will not get in the tubing.
See photo
http://www.picattic.com/files2/h6utuik5laveplv4hwcz.jpg