Schooner Porn

[Paul Pless]

[John B]

Re: post 81 A Brigantine would have a mainmast forward and a (shorter) mizzen aft. The photo shows a mainmast aft and a (shorter) foremast forward, thus it's a topsail schooner.

Regards,
Paul

I don't agree with your mast height definition Paul.
The root vessel/rig is the old workhorse or Brig, which means two masts, primarily square rig on both. Brigantine was either a retrofitted brig or purpose built with less crew in mind and fore and aft rigged on the aft mast, but still square rigged fore . This means it has a fore course.

Barque and barquentine have the same relationship but have 3 or more masts.

Brigantine Breeze.. They were stooging around doing some training that day a month or so ago, so the main is reefed and foresail is furled etc.



Thanks chrisben, I had most of it right then eh.

[mmd]

The lil' guy is most definitely a Tancook schooner, and the photos are taken at Heisler's Boatyard in Chester. Beyond that, I'm sorry, but I don't know.

[rooster]

mmd, I thought that Tancooks were larger and double ended,but I guess that there could be many different types. I also love the looks of the larger DE type,would you happen to have any pictures of those? Thanks

[mmd]

Rooster, very generally, Tancook Whalers were double enders (an older type of boat that was superseded by the schooners) though schooner-rigged. The Tancook schooners evolved on the island around the turn of the last century. They are most noticibly identified by their distinct "heart-shaped" transoms. FWIW, I think that they are the most sublime blue-water small sailing craft ever, but I am regionally compelled to feel that way.

Check out the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic's "Marilla" to see an equally heartstring-pulling Tancook sloop. Their resident boatbuilder, Amonn Doorly, built a replica a few years ago that he reports is wickedly fast. And originally a work-boat, to boot.

There was a new Tancook Whaler built in 1994 down the coast by a fellow named David Westergard (featured in an edition of WB a few years ago IIRC) and it shows up at a number of local events. HR posted a series of photos of the Fall Classic held in Lunenburg each September in which "Son of a Gun" is featured. The photo below is from the Nova Scotia Schooner Assoc. website:



Then there is the painting by William Gilkerson of a Tancook Whaler that I really like (I have a signed print of this hanging in my living room):



And a photo from the late 1800's of the Tancook Island shore, showing several whalers hauled up on the hard:

[dhic001]

I don't agree with your mast height definition Paul.
The root vessel/rig is the old workhorse or Brig, which means two masts, primarily square rig on both. Brigantine was either a retrofitted brig or purpose built with less crew in mind and fore and aft rigged on the aft mast, but still square rigged fore . This means it has a fore course.

Barque and barquentine have the same relationship but have 3 or more masts.

I agree with John, and I've yet to see a definition that defines a Brigantine as having a shorter aft mast. As John says, a Brigantine has a fore course, and believe me, it is a wonderfully useful sail (we had the one in use on Breeze last weekend, and it sure can pull). A topsail schooner generally doesn't have a course, although some do have odd shaped ones. The topsail schooners that do set a course, don't generally carry it aloft on a perminent basis, and they always set mainsail of some sort between the masts. Brigantines will always carry staysails of some sort between the masts.
Daniel

[Paul Pless]

[Rapelapente]

Here are the two training schooners from the French Navy: L'ETOILE, and LA BELLE POULE.
These two sisterships are the last grand bank fishing schooners built in France.


LA BELLE POULE



L'ETOILE

[rooster]

mmd,thanks for the info. Looks to be alot of sail area for a slippery hull,what a blast that would be on a reach!
FAST IS FUN.......... On a schooner? Even better

[KNOCKABOUT]

Mr. Brewer hit a homerun with 'The Tree'!



more here: link

I don't know whats more impressive, the old boat or the fresh silicon.

[adam96]

[reddog]

Rooster;
The schooner posted by Paul is indeed a Tancook schooner built by David Stevens,I believe,sometime in the 1980's.I remember it sitting ashore in Maders Cove for a couple of years and then she disappeared.Apparantly someone in Truro,NS had purchased her.A couple of years ago she was for sale again,and ended up at Butch Heisler's yard in Chester.It is or was owned by the friend of a Forum member.Mayby Paul knows.Those pics were on another thread last year or so ago.
Cheers;
Earl

[Peerie Maa]

I agree with John, and I've yet to see a definition that defines a Brigantine as having a shorter aft mast.

The only square rigger with a shorter aft mast that I have heard of were the Bomb Ketches used for shore bombardment in the sailing navy days. They had a massive mortar installed forward of the main mast, no foremast, and chain mainstays to withstand the muzzle flash from the mortar.

A topsail schooner generally doesn't have a course, although some do have odd shaped ones. The topsail schooners that do set a course, don't generally carry it aloft on a permanent basis, and they always set mainsail of some sort between the masts.
Daniel

The "course" set by topsail schooners is called a cro'jack, named for the yard that spreads the foot of the square topsail. They normally had a halyard on a short stick at the center of the head, and one at each top outer corner.

[Hughman]

Winfield Lash




Pinky Schooner "Summertime"


"Nathaniel Bowditch"



The usual Maine Fleet suspects:

[dhic001]

Probably John B has photos of this one, I can't find mine, and i don't have any of her sailing. Ok, I'll admit that she isn't wooden, but there is an awful lot of wood on her, much of it original. She is of course Shenandoah of Sark, built 1902 and rebuilt in 1996 in Auckland. I feel very privileged to have walked her decks, even if it was only alongside.
Daniel

[John B]

She's back downtown now( pier 21 ish) . Been there for a month perhaps.

[John B]

I just remembered this one. This was seriously wet and nasty day with wind up in the 40's at times back sometime in the '90's.
We had just had a miserable christmas cruise with wet and windy conditions virtually every day and were heartily sick of it. We'd sailed back to Kawau from Gt Barrier and got beaten up a bit but the forecast was to improve. Right we thought, we'll spend a couple of days in the sun and go back home in a few days. Next days forecast changed again... rain 30 to 40 knots again and to hell with this .. we can be home in 4 hours so off we went. Halfway home we had a breaking wave come in from the beam and dump on the cabin top, went under the dinghy over the skylight pressured through the skylight and main hatch and wet everything we had down below.
So you get my frame of mind.

Shortly after that I looked behind and out of one of the rainsqualls and misty whiteout, this magnificent beast came charging through as if it was nothing....

[dhic001]

She's back downtown now( pier 21 ish) . Been there for a month perhaps.

Just goes to show that I haven't been looking around enough when in Aucks, I'll keep my eyes peeled.

[dhic001]

Shortly after that I looked behind and out of one of the rainsqualls and misty whiteout, this magnificent beast came charging through as if it was nothing....

Thats Adix, formerly the topsail schooner know as Schooner XXXX when owned by Alan Bond. originally called Jessica, built for an Italian. Heavily rebuilt by Pendennis in the early 90s, with a modern underwater profile, and lost the yards, giving a more balanced rig (Shenandoah had the same done). An absolute flyer.
Daniel

[Paul Pless]

Here is a local one for you, with apologies to whoever it is that took the photo. Maggie of Whitford, New Zealand built Chesapeake Bay Shipjack Schooner, 64 feet on deak, 80 feet LOA. This was Mahurangi Regatta a few years back, just after the dagger board went in, and before the topmast was finished. One hell of a race in 45 knots of wind. Supposedly our windward chine came out of the water, although I've never seen any photographic evidence. Hell of a lot of fun to play with 35 tons of wooden schooner in those conditions.
Daniel

That's gotta be a pretty unusual model for you guys. It doesn't seem like shallow draft boats (especially large ones) are very common in your country.

[dhic001]

That's gotta be a pretty unusual model for you guys. It doesn't seem like shallow draft boats (especially large ones) are very common in your country.

There were a lot of shallow draft boats built in New Zealand, although few of them were schooners. Sadly few of them survive, as they were mainly workboats that got run until they died, mostly of maltreatment. There were over 130 flat bottomed scows built, mostly in the north, and a number of them were schooners, the biggest being three masted topsail schooners. See http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85689 for a ketch rigged scow.
A number of shallow round bilged traders were also built, although they were no where near as common as scows, and are generally forgotten. Few of them were schooners. The other famous shallow draft boats were the mullet boats, 22 and 26 foot long gaff rigged fishing boats, a type that became a racing boat and is still common.
Maggie doesn't even try to be a New Zealand type of vessel, and is definitely american, except in construction.
Daniel

[StevenBauer]

I thought I might try some schooner video's here:


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2lPsuBp8gBw



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mWUD_r6E4U8


Steven

[John Boone]

[Rum_Pirate]

Taken in St.Barths and St.Maarten West Indies 2008

[John B]

Great shots!
Check out the mizzen mast on Whitehawk .Wonder where I've seen that before ahhahahaha cough.Grunty sails those mizzen staysails.

[Paul Pless]

[Captain Intrepid]

Already posted it in the tall ships thread, but where better a place for it than schooner porn?

[ChrisBen]

AlmaDoepel


Falie


SolwayLass


SouthPassage


SpiritofthePacific

[Geoffrey Harris]

Zodiac off Post Point, Bellingham Bay

[John Boone]

Caught these in Rockport ME a few years back just before she was launched.









Never got to see her under sail.

http://www.bermudasloop.org/Media%20...toGallery.aspx

[NancyZe]

What a beautiful shot. I would soooooooooooo want to be there!

[Paul Pless]

MotorSailor Schooner Porn!!!

This sure looks comfy...

[Paul Pless]

LYNX

[adam96]

On board Eleonora in early February heading from Newport to Antigua. The clinker dinghy next to the davits did well for being partially submerged several times! Deep reef in the main at this point. 60hrs to Bermuda (within cell phone reception at least) and 6.5 days to Antigua, just over 1600nm.

[George.]

Schooners are romantic and sure nice to look . I love em too but for practicality especially when short on crew ya can beat a yawl or a ketch. More possible sail combinations and easier to handle too.

Bet you can't singlehand a 32-ton yawl as easily as a 32-ton schooner...

[Paul Pless]

Hey George, how 'bout some pics of said 32 ton schooner?

[SchoonerRat]

Bet you can't singlehand a 32-ton yawl as easily as a 32-ton schooner...

I'll take that bet. I might loose, but I'll take that bet.

[George.]

How big would the mainsail on said 32-ton gaff have to be?

Paul, what's the current minimum-hassle, little-or-no-registration BS, free image uploader?

[Paul Pless]

photobucket

[downthecreek]

My lovely Hoshi, with her friend, the Provident (a Brixham trawler)

Many a fine time I've had in one or another if these old girls

[George.]

Photobucket sucks. I once opened an account, under an assumed and forgotten identity, and it won't let me open another unless I remember the details of my imagined life.

[Paul Pless]

check your pm's

[downthecreek]

On board Eleonora in early February heading from Newport to Antigua. The clinker dinghy next to the davits did well for being partially submerged several times!

Wonderfully evocative photos. As is just visible in the pic I have posted showing the schooner "Hoshi" (which is a painting, but a very accurate one) we always used to lash the dinghies in their davits on their sides for anything other than a short coastal hop. Not very pretty, but it did prevent them from getting swamped.

[Paul Pless]

George's schooner Dahlia.

[Paul Pless]

She's gourgeous George. Thanks for the pics.

[George.]

Notice the ketch about to be left to leeward...

[ChrisF]

Lot of twist in that ketch's main, perhaps demonstrating what happens when you shorten the boom too much on a gaffer, to make way for the mizzenmast. She needs a gaff vang! Or maybe a more leeward sheeting point to haul the twist down & out of the main. But I'm sure she'd still get left to loo'ard by that lovely schooner .

[Captain Intrepid]

On board Eleonora in early February heading from Newport to Antigua. The clinker dinghy next to the davits did well for being partially submerged several times! Deep reef in the main at this point. 60hrs to Bermuda (within cell phone reception at least) and 6.5 days to Antigua, just over 1600nm.

Absolutely stunning! Reminds me of when I was sailing offshore on the Pacific Grace. I need to get out there again sometime, it's like nothing else on earth.

[John B]

This thread just keeps getting better. Great shots of Eleonora and our very own wbf favourite, Dalia.

But George, when you want to make a speed point on a reach, you pass them to leeward

Did you or do you own Hoshi downthecreek? I know the name but not much about the boat.

I know you're all probably sick of Arcturus photos but here's one from late jan.

[John B]

Spirit of the Pacific, if I'm not mistaken , is the Spirit of Adventure, NZ's first purpose built youth sail training vessel.

I was on her circa 1974 as a 16 yr old, voyage #13, (which left fri 13th and was renamed voyage #12B after the galley fire).

Kirsty , my wife , was on voyage 33, (she married a guy fixated on getting a particular old boat ,which just happened to have the sail # of 33).Isn't that interesting.
I was relating a Spirit story I was told by a subsequent crew member friend of mine , to one of Aucklands reknowned yachtsmen.
The story in a nutshell was that Spirit was cruising down the Coromandel coast in a freshish breeze when she was struck by a williwaw coming down off the range. It knocked her down so her yards were in the water and she stayed there for what I was told was a couple of minutes.Thats a scary long time for a knockdown. A member of the crew ran forward below decks , came out the forward companionway and cut away the jib sheet, allowing her to round up a little and come up.
The man I was telling the story to looked at me ( we were below on Iorangi at Te Kouma harbour at the time) and said , 'yes , thats how it was , I was Skipper that day and it was Jim.....who went forward'.