Looking for plans

[historyfanatic]

Hello,
I'm looking for some plans or anything for something like this in about a 30' size. Anyone have any ideas? I haven't had any luck with my searches so far. I'd like to find quality, buildable plans if possible. I appreciate any help I can get...

[Thorne]

Welcome to the Forum!

My initial response is: "You and what wealthy maritime museum?"

;0 )

Fullsize or model? Traditional or modern materials? What function? What waters? What BUDGET?

[DGentry]

Well, Phil Bolger designed a 32' Brigantine. Check it out in his book "Boats with an Open Mind." Perhaps you could modify the rig to suit.

Maybe you should start with the jolly boat, first . . . .

[historyfanatic]

Lol...

Yes, I know. Ridiculous as it may sound, this is something I have been wanting to do for years. I am planning on building it as a 30' yacht, but in an historical fashion. It will be in freshwater on a 15,000 acre lake in Indiana for the most part, but may occasionally (rarely) be moved to Lake Michigan or the Ohio River. I'm wanting to go as traditional-looking as possible with the materials, but if anyone has some great ideas that won't affect the look of the exterior, let me know. The interior will also be kept relatively historic in appearance. I'm financing this project myself, so it'll be a pay-as-I-go sort of thing, although it would be cool to have a shipyard build the hull. Don't know where to go for that either.

Anyway, any help you folks can offer will be great. (Aside from gently taking me aside and telling me that I'm completely insane... Don't worry, my wife does a great job of that...)

[Thorne]

Per DGentry's post above, try building the jollyboat first. That will give you a taste for traditional building materials and methods, and help you decide just how much of a project you can handle (and afford).

30' is short enough that you could have her constructed elsewhere and trucked to the lake. There are various museums and boatyards that specialize in larger wooden boats with trad materials -- worth checking out.

[historyfanatic]

30' is short enough that you could have her constructed elsewhere and trucked to the lake. There are various museums and boatyards that specialize in larger wooden boats with trad materials -- worth checking out.

Like who? I thought about Mystic Seaport... Anyone have any others that might be closer to Indiana?

[kc8pql]

Kinda reminds me of one of Benford's pinky designs or maybe Buehler's Block Island Cowhorn.

[rbgarr]

Not closer, but Boothbay Harbor Shipyard built (a somewhat similar) Discovery a while ago: http://tinyurl.com/2a2ctg

Even in a thirty foot 'version' the amount of ballast needed to get a full bodied boat to float on the right lines (level) would be significant.

IIRC a scaled down version of a small frigate from lines by Chapelle was quite unstable when launched.

[Tom Hunter]

Two boats you should investigate are Fame, a replica Pinky Schooner, and the Essex Shipbuilding Museums Chebacco Boat.

They were both built along traditional lines, and the Chebacco is about the same size as you are contemplating, but not at all the same boat. Still you might be able to get a feel for the cost and amount of labor required by calling the shipbuilding museum.

If you are lucky that will convince you to quit, but if not, welcome to the forum.

[Thermo]

Here's the closest thing that fits my budget. $49.95 Some assembly required:

[Gary Bergman]

Step on up, mate...a little larger.....We'll be on the Great Lakes again this summer, with a fair wind

[C. Ross]

Like who? I thought about Mystic Seaport... Anyone have any others that might be closer to Indiana?

Here's a website with a list of maritime museums. There are a couple in IN, MI, WI. http://www.maritimemuseums.net

Someone posted a couple of months ago about mini-brigs which looked like a hoot, and a much less ambitious build than what you are thinking about. http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulleti...highlight=brig Some of the pictures are lost, but you can/t beat this:



Here's a similar thread from a couple of years ago. http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulleti...ad.php?t=10813

[Gary Bergman]

Actually, Rosborough designed hulls similar to mine in 40,45, and 50 foot versions. All tolled, 70 or more,so...if you have the doubloons, MMD could scale down the plans they already have at the Theriault yard of my vessel. That's probably the most 'reasonable' way to do 'new'. Already proven design, a yard with experience,but..I'll let the rest of you explain the estimated cost to build new..(wink) just give us all your money, ( I'm startin' to get too old to be the topman) and we'll make her 'cutter' rigged...and there's already a trailer in Canada she fits on....

[historyfanatic]

Step on up, mate...a little larger.....We'll be on the Great Lakes again this summer, with a fair wind

Count me in... I'll come play! Wish I could have one like that... Unfortunately the nearby 15,000 acre lake doesn't allow anything over 40'... Hence why I'm looking at 30'-35'... (Really, I could go with 39' 11.5", but the Department of Natural Resources will get really fussy if I do that...)

[bloggs68]

This one - http://www.boatsalestas.com.au/ed.php?de=6295 is only 25' but I'm sure the designer could stretch it.

see http://www.islesdesign.com/designs/menu.html

FWIW

AD

[P.L.Lenihan]

William Garden has one, which may satisfy, in his first book of designs.Check out your local library.

Peter

[Rapelapente]

in a WoodeBoat previous issue (probably around 10 years ago), an article shown a design like the one you're looking for. A Sailing scale model boat, built for a King.
Try a search.

[dredbob]

The William (Bill) Garden design referred to above is named Caravelle.
The book is _Yacht Designs_ by William Garden.

Bob

[P.L.Lenihan]

Hi Bob,

Finally had a chance to check and the boat I had in mind is actually called PRIVATEER. Her vitals are:30' 1" LOA(on deck),LWL-25"4",Beam-13'0",Draft-6'0",Displacement-26,000 Lbs.,Sail area- 885 quare feet and ballast-7,000 Lbs.

She is in Gardens first book called Yacht Designs. The CARAVELLE is from his second book called......wait for it.......Yacht Designs II

A good library should be able to find it through inter-library loans.

Peter

[BrianY]

If you can live with downsizing your dream to 17', John welsford's Swiftsure might be exatly what you're looking for.

http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw...sure/index.htm

[dredbob]

Hi Bob,

Finally had a chance to check and the boat I had in mind is actually called PRIVATEER. Her vitals are:30' 1" LOA(on deck),LWL-25"4",Beam-13'0",Draft-6'0",Displacement-26,000 Lbs.,Sail area- 885 quare feet and ballast-7,000 Lbs.

She is in Gardens first book called Yacht Designs. The CARAVELLE is from his second book called......wait for it.......Yacht Designs II

Peter

Actually, I think this is a case of there being multiple editions of each book.

Both Caravelle (page 69) and Privateer (page 86) are in my copy of _Yacht Designs_ , copyright 1998, Tiller Publishing. In his commentary, Bill says that Caravelle (28'10" LOA) is a smaller version of Privateer, and makes reference to the "original book".

Neither design is in my copy of _Yacht Designs II_, copyright 1992, Mystic Seaport.

In any case, either one (and probably several other Garden designs) would meet the criteria historyfanatic has set.

Bob

[alkorn]

Would you consider restoring something not the same, larger, but intentionally old-fashioned? There is a Rosborough Privateer for free at the Wooden Boat Rescue Foundation (http://www.woodenboatrescue.org/carview.php?view=234). I don't know if it could be moved, even as a wide load, from St. Augustine. It's even copper-sheathed!

I'm not sure if it's still available: it shows as "sailboat" on the overall list, but "dinghy" (meaning no longer available) on its individual link. WBRF could let you know for sure.

[RonW]

It will be in freshwater on a 15,000 acre lake in Indiana for the most part, but may occasionally (rarely) be moved to Lake Michigan or the Ohio River.

Why in the world would you want to consider something with a 10 ft. draft to use on a lake in indy, or the ohio river?
What are you going to do, moor it in the middle of the lake and have a row boat to get to the dock?

Why don't you look at a flat bottom traditional looks sharpie, ruel parkers -the sharpie book.- and glen-l has plans for about a 30 ft. sharpie...

[Steve Paskey]

Jay Benford has something you might like: a 30-foot cruising boat design that can use various rigs, one of which is a brigantine. You'll find a drawing at the top of this page:

http://www.benford.us/index.html?cruisingsail/

[heimlaga]

Why not a Storbåt of the type traditionally built on Åland islands. The type did not change much from the introduction of gaff rig in the 18th century until the last ones were built sometimes around the first world war. No need to downscale. Theese boats were workboats used to transport heavy loads.
http://www.puuvene.net/hpp/03.jpg
http://www.puuvene.net/hpp/02.jpg

[Woxbox]

Historyfanatic -- You posted a drawing of what appears to be an 18th century craft, and are getting lots of advice to build something from much more recent times.

Is there a specific period of history that you're particularly enamored with? If so, there's a good starting point. The second question has been posed -- how authentic do you want to make it. At absolutely every step of such a project you'll be asking yourself "do it more cheaply or more authentically" and "do it to be more convenient and less maintenance --- or be more authentic?"

These questions never end. What you need to be sure of before you start is exactly what the goal is when you're finished. How will it be used, what claims do you want to be able to make for the completed boat?

I work a lot with the Kalmar Nyckel, a replica of a circa 1625 Dutch pinnace, all 300 tons of her, and these questions never end -- even although she just celebrated her 10th anniversary. A sense of mission is a must here!

By the way (shameless promotion coming) if you're on the East Coast this summer check our schedule on our website and you'll be welcome to help raise a sail or two. (For a modest fee to our struggling non-profit.) We'll be sailing, at various times, in Virginia, Delaware and Massachusetts. Other stops possible, since the schedule is still being developed.

[michigangeorge]

Check out the 32' Chapelle 1790 Schooner at Cannell,Payne & Page (cppyacht.com) . They don't get much more historic and you likely cannot build her yourself for what you can buy this one for.
Maybe someone who knows how could post her photo off CPP' s site.

[emichaels]

historyfanatic,
I have no help to offer on this subject, though, if you build this boat, I will travel a good distance to see it in person. That is a very nice looking boat.

Eric

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[Woxbox]

Here's the boat at Cannel, Payne & Page in Maine.
Looks too good to be true. Anyone familiar with her?


32' Chapelle Replica 1790 Schooner
Year: 2000
Current Price: US$ 50,000
Located in ME, United States
Hull Material: Wood
Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel
YW# 17504-1417479

An article on CALEDONIAN appeared in Maine Boats & Harbors, no. 73, p. 60. CALEDONIAN can be recommended for anyone desiring a traditional, historic-style schooner with all the accompanying romance but in a practical size.

[GordonB]

Hello,
I'm looking for some plans or anything for something like this in about a 30' size. Anyone have any ideas? I haven't had any luck with my searches so far. I'd like to find quality, buildable plans if possible. I appreciate any help I can get...

I have William gardener's book Yacht Designs and on page 56 starts some limited drawings (2) for Privateer, an Ancient Dream Ship LOA 30' 1"
Looks like you may be able to get plans for it. Best picture is showing it as a Stay Sail Schooner.