Herreshoff sloop Mimosa III

[rbgarr]

30' LWL w/full keel. According to the HMfgCo list, #610 built in 1903, slightly narrower and shorter than the Bar Harbor 31 class but wider and deeper than the NY 30 class.

Photo sent to me by Frederique Melingue, who may chime in with comments:




Mimosa III, herreshoff manufacturing company (hmco) hull number 610 was
built in 1903 1904 for Trenor l Park for the price of us$6000.
She was a "one off" boat . Nat Herreshoff developed the design from his
April 1896 half-hull
Model for the 21 foot lwl cock robin by changing the scale from 1/12 to
1/16.
She is launched June 29 1904.as contacted her principle dimensions were lwl
30ft; beam 10 ft-1 inch; draft 7 feet-3 inches. she was restored in 1995 by
Noel Mélingue.

[adam96]

Where was the picture taken? Looks very Mediterranean....

MIMOSA III was built off the model for COCKROBIN (HMCo 461, 1896) at a different scale and the same scale as ONWARD (HMCo 487, 1898).

[frédéric mélingue]

DO YOU HAVE ONWARD PICTURE ?
you can see :query.times.com on google,mimosa.easily wins manhasset....

[StevenBauer]

Wow, she's a beauty. More?


Steven

[Tanbark Spanker]

That patrol boat looks familiar. *dumps cargo overboard*

[SNagy]

She's a beauty. Where is she now ?

[frédéric mélingue]

good afternoon SNagy, Mimosa III sailing to Mediterranean.

[HCR]

How nice to see that Mimosa III is still alive!

Here is what the New York Times and the Rudder had to say about her when she was new:

"Yachts and Yachtsmen. A racing sloop [#610s] some 30 feet in length on the waterline was built at the Herreshoff shops several months ago for C. S. Eaton. The craft was built on the molds of the Onward [#487s], owned by Designer A. S. Chesebrough until last season, when he sold the craft. The boat ordered by Mr. Eaton is 47 feet over all and 30 feet long on the waterline. The craft has been bought by T. L. Park of New York, for whom she is now being fitted out at the Herreshoff shops. Mr. Eaton, desiring a larger craft, had the Cockrobin [#617s], with a thirty-nine-foot waterline, built at the Herreshoff shops this year, the company taking the thirty-footer in trade for the Cockrobin. Mr. Park has named his thirty-footer Mimosa III. She will be in racing condition soon. The Herreshoff shops are very quiet and will-be until the fall orders begin to come in, and as these may include one for a new cup defender, there is a bright side to present conditions for the mechanics at the boat shops. ..." (Source: Anon. "Yachts and Yachtsmen." New York Times, July 4, 1904, p. 7.)

"MIMOSA III One of the boats which attracted considerable attention on Long Island Sound last season was Mimosa III, a Herreshoff production, owned by Commodore Trenor L. Park, of the American Yacht Club. Mimosa III is a fine, wholesome type of fast cruiser, having moderate overhangs, a small rig without bowsprit, and a roomy cabin. On account of her small rig she was at her best in strong breezes and made a creditable record in the races which she entered. It is especially interesting to note that the new New York Yacht Club one-design class will, in a general way, be similar to Mimosa III, the principal difference being that the new boats have about a foot less breadth, and the sail plan shows a short bowsprit. The dimensions of Mimosa III are: Length over all 46 feet 6 inches; length water line 30 feet 9 inches; breadth 10 feel; draught 7 feet 6 inches; sail area 1,143 square feet." (Source: Rudder, April 1905, p. 251.)

[HCR]

And here is another photo of her made in ca. 1904 by James Burton (the photo at the top of the thread is by W. B. Jackson):

[HCR]

Here is a photo of her model:

[HCR]

Mr. Mélingue asked for a photo of Onward, HMCo. #487s which was built in 1897/8 from the same model as Mimosa. Here are two:

[HCR]

I forgot: The first photo of Onward is from The Rudder, February 1904, p. 67, the second from The Rudder, March 1908, p. 162 (also in: The Rudder, March 1909, p. 171.). I do not know who made them.

[frédéric mélingue]

Merci beaucoup à hCR pour ces informations interessantes
Thank you very much for HCR very intersing informations


my e-mail if you want another pictures:f.melingue@orange.fr

[Dave Hadfield]

Is she still a gaffer? I think I see a backstay in the top photos.

[Rapelapente]

The pics were taken in Bandol's harbor, a small city near Toulon, on the french mediterranean coast.
Mimosa is currently lying in Sanary, just beside Bandol,on the same dock of my Anthea.
She is maintained in very good condition, and do not sports a gaff rig anymore.

[frédéric mélingue]

salut,rapelapente,comment vas tu,est tu à Sanary en ce moment?
dis moi cela veux dire quoi"a gaff rig"

[Rapelapente]

Ah! Ah! deux Francais, de la même panne, communiquant sur un site US .... Trop fort Internet !
Oui je suis à Sanary et serai même à bord ce soir, un p'tit verre à bord ?
Je n'ai pas réalisé tout de suite sur le fil que tu était le proprio de Mimosa, d'ou mon intervention. En cliquant sur le nom en entete tu peux envoyer des mails privés. Gaff rig signifie Gréement aurique. A+.
To our US friends, sorry for writing in french...
Internet allows strange meetings.

[P.L.Lenihan]

Un Gaff rig? Mais c'est comme ceci dans la photo,la grande voile.En francais je crois que on dit un gréement aurique.

J'espere que c'est plus claire

Peter

[P.L.Lenihan]

Merde! Pendant que je cherchais pour un photo de la voile en question,un Francais à deja respondu! Bravo!

Peter

[Rapelapente]

Following the question from Fréderic about the translation of "Gaff Rig", wich is in french,"gréement aurique" I had the idea to make a search about the etymology of "aurique".
If there is no question about the origin of "Gaff", describing the spar itself, the french etymology of "aurique" is more funny, since it seems to come from a dutch word "oorig", meaning "ear shape". Hypothesis which seems confirmed by the english "lugsail". First time I see the word "Lug" meaning "Ear". Is it in Old English?

Here is the result of my search:
AURIQUE1, adj. et subst. fém.
ÉTYMOL. ET HIST. − 1788 mar. (Forfait, Traité élémentaire de la mâture des vaisseaux à l'usage des élèves de la marine ds Jal2 : Aurique, nom des voiles qui tournent autour d'un de leurs côtés comme sur une charnière).
Peut-être adaptation d'apr. le lat. auris « oreille » d'un néerl. oorig (dér. de oor « oreille ») « en forme d'oreille » (Barb. Misc., t. 2, no 2), bien que ce dér. ne semble pas attesté dans un tel emploi en néerl. (FEW, t. 15, p. 605a). À l'appui, cependant, de cette hyp., le terme de mar. angl. lugsail « voile à bourcet », composé de lug « oreille » et de sail « voile » (NED).

[P.L.Lenihan]

C'est forte interessant tout ca, est sa fait du sense. Merci!

Peter

[Rapelapente]

Peter, did you spend some time in France ?

[P.L.Lenihan]

Non,pas vraiement. Mais je suis un Quebecois et puis mon entourage est composer exclusivement de les gens francophone.Alors....bilingue ...au presque

Peter

[Rapelapente]

Salut Cousin de la Belle Province !
J'adore le quebec, et c'est justement en venant de Quebec, en descendant vers le sud à travers la forêt, que je suis arrivé pour la première fois... dans le Maine, dont je suis devenu un inconditionnel...

It's when driving south from Quebec that I discovered, an felt in love with Maine.

[frédéric mélingue]

pourquoi faire simple quand on peut faire compliquer?

Merci pour le verre à bord,malheuresement je suis dèja remonté à Paris.
j'ai tout de même profité de Sanary la semaine derniere,je voulais faire des photos sous voiles pour le forum, mais la météo m'a roulée dans la farine(tempête,pas pempête,tempête etc etc.
Mon billet est déja reservé pour les vacances de pâques,tu seras peut être là?
Mon anglais est plus que léger,mais je compte bien faire des progres grace au forum,enfin j'espere!!!dailleur mon Français n'est pas terrible non plus.

Pendant que j'y pense,et sans vouloir donner de leçon, le gréement de Mimosa à l'origine est un warry ,"je ne suis pas sur de l' orthographe".

c'est extra ce site d'amoureux de bateau en bois,t'as vu un peu ce que m'a envoyer hcr,une photo de Mimosa que je connaissais pas,comme tu parles bien l'anglais essaye de glaner des infos pour moi,d'autres photos par exemple,ou des contacts avec descendants d'anciens propriétaires ce serait extra.
il paraitrai que Mimosa aurai fait de la contrebande d'alcool durant la prohibition, à l'èpoque le bateau était au nom d'une danseuse de la bande à
All Capone.
fred

[Rapelapente]

Frederic asked me to translate:
HE is the current owner of Mimosa III and is asking for more about her history, pictures, and previous owners. He've been told that MimosaIII participated in smuggling during prohibition...

And he precised that the original rig is a special gaff rig, we call it "Houari" in French, when the gaff is "masted" and can't have a topsail. I should have noticed that....

[P.L.Lenihan]

[quote=Rapelapente;1785962]Frederic asked me to translate:
HE is the current owner of Mimosa III and is asking for more about her history, pictures, and previous owners. He've been told that MimosaIII participated in smuggling during prohibition...

"and that during this same time frame was owned or named after a female danser from Al Capones' gang."


And he precised that the original rig is a special gaff rig, we call it "Houari" in French, when the gaff is "masted" and can't have a topsail. I should have noticed that.....

"En anglais, the Houari rig is known as a sliding gunter rig."

Peter,just trying to be helpful

[P.L.Lenihan]

Salut Cousin de la Belle Province !
J'adore le quebec, et c'est justement en venant de Quebec, en descendant vers le sud à travers la forêt, que je suis arrivé pour la première fois... dans le Maine, dont je suis devenu un inconditionnel...

It's when driving south from Quebec that I discovered, an felt in love with Maine.

Bonjour a vous Rapelapente,

Ah oui, La Belle Province.....quelle belle image et souvenirs cette ancienne devise imprime sur les plaque d'immatriculation de voiture avant 1976. Maintenent c'est,"Je m'en souviens". Ce la me lais un peut indifferant cars aucune image de tout la beaute qui existe ici est evident.

Je suis tout a fait d'accord avec votre appreciation de de Maine. La seul chose qui manque c'est les belle Quebecoise....oo la la...elle sont vraiement jolie.Apres tout, connaisser vous une meilleur raison pour demeurer dans un payer ou les hivers sont longue et si froide

Recevez,je vous prie,mes meilleures amities!

Peter,( qui na pas d'access tout suit a un clavier francophone,donc,aucune accent! )

[Banzeau]

Hello all, this prohibition story looks strange as the boat is supposed to be in England during this period.