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Thread: Order of repairs- frames and bottom

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    I will begin work on my boat this fall. It's a 20 ft utility, cedar lapstrake over white oak steam bent frames. The work it needs:
    - replace parts of keel or all of it
    - about 4 planks
    - knee in stem is soft
    - some plank rot at stem
    - about 10 frames need to be repaired or replaced

    In what order should this work be done? Exterior or interior first? The boat interior is stripped, so it can be rolled over.

    Some other questions:

    1. Gaps have begun to appear between the mahogany planks above water (butt joint), because it has been stored under a tarp( with ventilation, and it is now in a portable building!) What is the solution to closing up the gaps again?
    2. I have been told that cyprus is a good bottom wood. Planks are 1/2" thick finished x 5-7" wide. What are the thoughts on this wood?

    I have lots of pictures to show, but I cannot figure out how to post. I would be glad to send anyone some pictures for their review.

    Thanks for your help
    Peter

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    Some photos of a 1957 Duke here.....

    http://www.das.ca/57duke/

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    ....and a 1951.......


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    .....a 1947 "playmate".....


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    Pictures of the boat and related trouble areas can be seen at

    www.imagestation.com, User : koppisch, password: 55duke

    I will figure this computer stuff out some time!

    Peter

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    Ah yes, here we go.....













    [ 07-24-2005, 08:44 AM: Message edited by: Mr. Know It All ]

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    Great! Thanks for the help with the pictures!

    Hopefully someone can advise on how to proceed.

    Thanks Peter
    pkoppisch@cogeco.ca

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    Nice project you have there Peter.
    I've seen lots worse.
    A good find.

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    The work it needs:
    - replace parts of keel or all of it
    - about 4 planks
    - knee in stem is soft
    - some plank rot at stem
    - about 10 frames need to be repaired or replaced

    In what order should this work be done? Exterior or interior first?
    Since the planks are fastened to the framework, would it not make sense to fix that first? I would replace/repair the keel and stem then work on the frames, and last the planks.

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    Thanks Gary. Logical order of operations. Sometimes you just need to step back and look at the bigger picture. I have been doing so much research on all the elements of this repair, that I have have not scoped the entire project.

    I am still interested in thoughts on how to fix the gaps between the mahogany planks above water.

    Also, what experience do board members have with Cyprus wood.

    Thanks Peter

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    "Also, what experience do board members have with Cyprus wood"

    Noah's Ark was built with Cyprus.
    I guess if it's good enough for God, it's good enough for my boat.

    I have a "clinker-built" Lyman so I'm not familiar with how the Duke's were built or what fasteners were used. Hopefully someone in the know will jump in here.

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