Beautiful boat, Forgot what design it is

[Don Victore]

Forgot what design this was. I think it's late 19th, Raced on the Seine.Guess what it's built out of

[ewan]

nice, where is it located? does anyone know what it is?

a small sandbagger? hmm..was it called Laura

[Don Victore]

It's in Douardenez france. I don't remember what it is. I had done the recherche but it was a little while ago and now I can't put my hands on those papers.

[rbgarr]

Is the hull made of paper?

[Don Victore]

ya! actually papier macher. It's a french boat you know

[Pirate]

So.......how do you actually build a boat out of papier mache` ?

[Don Victore]

lots of saliva is key really

[Pirate]

O K ...
naah .... sounds too strenuous ...
just when I thought the papier thing had potential..

[Don Victore]

It was built of sheet metal. I realize steel was some what common in those days or was becoming so. But those curves in such a small boat too, was kind of extra ordinary, I think. It's really well done. I wonder how well it sails. Would love to get the lines. You won't here me say this often. But seems like a good candidate cold molding. would be in line with the skin Idea that this boat had.

[Peter Belenky]

It's written up here (in French):

http://www.arts-et-metiers.net/musee...&flash=f&arc=1

http://www.afla.fr/evenements/ev_05_douarnenez.htm

http://www.afla.fr/echos/echo03/page02.htm

[Don Victore]

That would be the one. Thanks for the links. Great article

Victore

[brian.cunningham]

translate.google.com is your friend.

Pleasures of Shores
The Port-Museum - Douarnenez
Exhibition from May, 01 2004 to November, 07 2004.

This exposure whose subtitle is “To live the pleasure sailing of 1850 to 1912” is organized around the yacht restored Viviane, the oldest pleasure boat known in France and proposes a panorama of the first forms of water sport in Brittany.

The Viviane yacht (successively baptized Rigolboche, Merry, Mascot, Viviane and Utopie) was built with the Dubigeon building site in Nantes in 1859. This boat is exceptional in more than one way: by its type of construction, out of galvanized thin sheet and by its lines of hull, hull out of V of weak surface wet, before end, postpones round without table, Master-beam important and moved back to two thirds back. All then distinguishes it from heavy and narrow the English “cutters” with the mode.

The topics approached in this exposure make it possible to answer several questions: how did the taste for the pleasure sailing appear, entirely new sport? Who practised it? Which are the characteristics of the pleasure boats? Which are the economic stakes of the pleasure to sail, technologies which come into play? How the sailors of Brittany did react to this activity?

For this exposure, the Museum of arts and trades lent a model of engine tender to five axles with total adhesion, Gouin system, inv. 07363. Gouin conceived this system in the middle of the XIXe century and also built boats.

The Port-museum of Douarnenez
An enthralling voyage through several centuries of maritime culture
Temporary exposure: Pleasures of shores

Enter the universe of the first yachtmen, these amateurs, who medium of the 19è century to the First World War, were impassioned by the floods and shores for the leisure or the competition. Discover a navigation which has its go clean, its festivals, its regattas, its architects, its building sites, its technologies, resolutely erudite and modern.

Part admiral of the exposure, “Viviane”, the oldest yacht of France, constitutes a true rare pearl, presented at the public in his metal reality riveted as in the magic of its virtual reconstitution in 3D. Built in Nantes in 1859 and recently restored, this sailing ship is the pretext of a singular discovery of its cradle of Loire-Atlantique like techniques and evolutions of the pleasure.

The exposure proposes a meeting with these men and these companies which were delivered with enthusiasm to the walk and the races, such this Nantes crew gaining, over “Mac-Round loaf”, the medal of gold to the Olympic Games of Stockholm in 1912. It cannot neglect the more Western banks of Brittany, true considered seedbeds of skippers, often formed with fishing, the image of this crew finistérien which led “Armen” to the victory of the cut of France in 1907.

Thanks to many collections, with the models, films and a multi-media terminal, this exposure shows the passion of the Breton ports for these new nautical leisures, quite far away from the requirements of fishing, work or transport.

Men and companies of the pleasure sailing (1850-1912)

[brian.cunningham]

more

With the wire of Erdre of 1850 to our days
Extract of the echo of débuché n°3 (page 2 & 3)
by Michel Levesque (8.1.1.6)
Tel. 02 40 62 51 63 - email = mslevesque@wanadoo.fr


The most beautiful river of France would have said Marguerite de Navarre, at the end of a stay in Nantes and in Gascherie.
Under the first Empire, its nature changes, the construction of the lock to the confluence of the Loire involves the rise of water of the river which widens considerably and gives him
single character of the water level which we know. At that time the beautiful properties multiply which contribute to its beauty, remarkable when one walks there in
boat.
The large barges of the marines borrow Erdre (connected to the channel from Nantes in Brest), with the veil for lack of tow path. To the Pottery, the rider followed by the Levesque dogs go up on board a large boat, then force these young dogs to swim without reserve; thus involved for many the pack-the water in prospect in the ponds for the forest for Vioreau. Roro does not admit to see its dogs remaining on bank to contemplate a roe-deer swimming as a recluse.
Erdre is a place privileged to practise the sail of pleasure; cradle of the prestigious club of the Water sport of the West (S.N.O) which counts forty champions today.
The beauty of Erdre is not unknown of Louis Auguste Levesque. His wife Anne Clémence Blon inherits Chantrerie in 1857. It just opposite acquires the Pottery in 1863.


Crew of Vioreau embarked on Erdre
at the bottom, castle of Gascherie (at the time Poydras of the Moor)

It gives the tone to the beginning of the Nantes pleasure by régatant on April 25, 1859 on Erdre with its centre-board Nini, his son Louis Arthur on Electrique then on Alouette and Viviane* in 1885. Its two others wire Jules and Rogatien on Tracassin* and Vezon* between 1887 and 1907, on sailing last Vétille* of race of Jules who gains the regattas of Erdre of September 1900 and 1901.
The nautical activity begins again between the two wars with the quillards, 6,5m or monotypes of the Loire. Given by Pierre Levesque to Scouts sailors to which belonged his Pierre-Louis son,


Lark and Viviane, on Erdre in 1885

Viviane is always there. Then under the occupation, Nantes Moth make their appearance in 1941, built in the cellars or the attics by Bertrand, Claude, Hubert Levesque, Loik the Nozzle and well of others their Nantes friends.
Thanks to Moth, the SNO saw these days of regattas like the sunbeam of these sad years.
In Charlière Claude and Bertrand sail on their Canadian canoe equipped with a lateen sail. They regain Erdre by the small affluent Hocmard. Inter alia stroll, they bring baskets of bush peaches to the English soldiers stationed to Port Jean close to the SNO in September 1939.
With the Pottery, still a heavy metal boat named lived “the yellow boat” going back to Rogatien Levesque and which had its similar on the pond of the Forging mills of Paimpont.
Antoine Levesque tells: in 1944, with his/her parents and brothers, they crossed Erdre to attend the mass with the vault of Chantrerie; occurs with very low height, in the axis of Erdre, an English hunter which is made mitrailler by a German shooting coming from Gascherie. The explosive projectiles cause a rain of glares above them… Fortunately without damage… This same year, the allies approaching the West, English bombards the small bridge close to Charlière to cut the railway line, then Gascherie where the Germans installed their district general of provisioning.
The very stable yellow boat is the punt forms ideal to bathe. Large Patrick Levesque plunges under the glance of his brothers. What a breath has it thus not to reappear quickly!
Too much piqué, its dive plants it in the mud and to be extracted some is not easy; it arises finally, unrecognizable!!!


Bank of the Pottery,
the Levesque family handles a fishing net
The barge transporting of wood sails with the veil.
Opposite, Chantrerie.

It is an astonishing spectacle which Erdre cold covered with a layer of snow in 1956,
confused with the remainder of the landscape, it does not exist any more… Or in 1962, test track of many Nantes cars which borrow this grand boulevard to be exerted with not controlled slips. The poor boats out of wooden moored at the edge, trapped in the ice, have the pulverized side of it. Or outgoing Erdre of its bed, covering to it quasi totality with the meadow of the Pottery.
After the war, impassioned SNO is happy to be found for régater with enthusiasm on Nantes Moths already many. The club becomes again very active with the arrival of new series like the Duckling, the 505, the Simpleton, Vaurien and Foam of design adapted to plywood, before the polyester (1960) for the 420, the 470 and Moth Europe inter alia. All these known series of Levesque of the Pottery.
The SNO being installed on opposed bank, it is in boat that they join the club to take part in the regattas. Not always well per hour… owing to lack of wind! The lenient jury the registered voter of office and delays the departure of the few essential minutes so that they reach the line!
Among the many run regattas, it there with the festival of the SNO in June 1970: three hours test for 78 competitors of all series. The family represented well is with the honor: winner all categories and of their series 505, Bruno and Gilles, followed by Antoine and Xavier, while Michel gains the price of the series of the recluses Moth Europe.
Another test: eliminating heats between two Simpletons, obligatory selection before championship. Michel and Xavier gain this selection but, not being able to be led to this championship, the place is yielded to their competitor Marc Bouet (become régatier celebrates.)
The enchanter charm of Erdre does not leave indifferent today, the many passengers of the Nantes “water-buses”, the boats of all kinds which y
walk inlassablement and the sailing ships which flower this beautiful space.
Trifle and Vezon ressuscities still form part of these.

By Michel Levesque
Tel. 02 40 62 51 63
mslevesque@wanadoo.fr



*Viviane in the course of restoration will be with the exposure “old pleasure” of the museum of Douarnenez in 2004
*Vezon renovated by Paul Aubin belongs to the historical inheritance since 1995, victorious of trophies Belle Pleasure
*Vétille renovated since 1981 is classified historic building in 1994, the association Erdre Voile Passion which took Vétille charges some proposes to you to sail on Erdre. Contact: Denis Descamps 02 40 50 26 55/06 70 30 58 70
*Tracassin of Jules Levesque is in the course of rebuilding by association “Life Free”. It will be present in Brest 2004 (the Fish-waggon n° 164, October 2003)

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to return in the page “History”
to return to the Echo of débuché n° January 3, 2004

[Don Victore]

holy hell! did you just translate all that? good going! or did you find a translated page /something?

[brian.cunningham]

translate.google.com

Give it the address, and you'll see the page as it was formatted.

[mike hanyi]

I was reading somewhere about the so called papermache boats, thing is paper was not made of wood pulp back then, rather rag material, like money(money is not made with cellulose, rather cotton pulp-it would never last in day to day use otherwise)
was actually a pretty strong material if laid up with good glues, which I dont know about in that era.

[rbgarr]

I wonder if the hull plates were pounded around a mold like the process by which the Statue of Liberty plates were made? I saw a TV show about that. Probably too expensive as a method for building boats.

[Woxbox]

I was reading somewhere about the so called papermache boats, thing is paper was not made of wood pulp back then, rather rag material, like money(money is not made with cellulose, rather cotton pulp-it would never last in day to day use otherwise)
was actually a pretty strong material if laid up with good glues, which I dont know about in that era.

I beleive it was just varnish that was used to glue together and seal the paper mache boats. I think also that, at least in some cases, it wasn't pulp but sheets of paper that were layered onto a mold (a wood boat, no doubt) and "cold molded" until the desired thickness was achieved.

[mike hanyi]

metal boats?!

holland has mastered the art of metal boats long ago, I just read of a guy who is offering aluminium ness yoles!

If I had my choice of keelboat for offshore use It would be metal.
but I new one properly built and coated.

I keep thinking back to the boat in MD. solomons Island named "Paradis" hot zinc sprayed inside,the paint was peeling off in there but not a spec of rust after over 30 years.

[rbgarr]

Altering Course: An excellent book on the designing, building, paying for (yes, financial info!) and voyages of this 42 foot flush deck, aluminum yawl MISCHIEF. She was built in Holland. Really informative for anyone wanting to cut ties to the land and go to sea.



From Francis Kinney's "Skene's Elements of Yacht Design"