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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    It's certainly unusual! I don't think I've seen a boat before with the mast so far back! Nice looking boat, nevertheless.

    Rick
    It is like that because almost all of the lateral plane is in the large rudder - there is no keel, centreboard or daggerboard (or leeboard, to be more complete!):

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    This is a common approach for almost all the traditional Venetian sailing types.

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    Thanks! Really interesting!

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    I sailed one for an afternoon - pretty lively performance for what is basically a sailing pickup truck and delightful balance to the helm (but seemingly slow to tack, although that was probably my inexperience on the type).

    I found this video of a regatta shot from an interesting perspective. I must admit I never noticed before how the mainsheet and tiller are played in such a connected way using the chunky wooden cleat. Probably a good idea though, considering it is really just a big dinghy?

    Last edited by Clarkey; 08-03-2018 at 07:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarkey View Post
    It is like that because almost all of the lateral plane is in the large rudder - there is no keel, centreboard or daggerboard (or leeboard, to be more complete!):

    sanpierota204.jpg

    This is a common approach for almost all the traditional Venetian sailing types.
    I was wondering about that. I couldn't figure out where you would manage to put a centreboard given how far back the center of effort was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarkey View Post
    Oooooooo!!! That's really, really nice.

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    ^ Is that some kind of leeboard mounted on the hull under the net? Smart looking proa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    Oooooooo!!! That's really, really nice.
    You might enjoy this video then:

    https://player.vimeo.com/video/237623839

    I think I read a comment somewhere from someone who sailed on it that some more stability might be nice, especially on the Pacific tack. Certainly nailed the aesthetics though!

    ETA: I found the comment (on Gary Dierking's wonderful outrigger sailing canoes blog http://outriggersailingcanoes.blogsp...#gpluscomments). Alexandre Genton says:

    "Hello, i'm the builder of this Va'a, we need maximum volume on the ama where the pressure from the rig and sail is located, the front iako. That one was a nightmare to build, hollow box with strip planked kaori, sheated with more than of 10 layers of 450GR/Mē UD and BX under vacuum with a precision of 2 millimeters..The strongest part of the canoe! The second iako is build by the same process, but with a smaller cross section, allowing a lot of flex ,the ama following the waves, the just like tradionnals canoes.. Wonderfull boat in navigation, 13 knts with true 15 knts at beam reach, and easy to fly the ama!!! (maybe too easy...) Thanks Gary for this awesome blog, one of my first bookmarks for years !!!!"
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    Wow !!! Quick!
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    Aaand another video - all sailing footage:

    https://www.facebook.com/deltavoiles...5904490481302/

    I know the location helps but that is one beautiful boat There aren't many truly elegant multis but that really takes the cake.

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    Long skinny and elegant dinghy with basic overnight accomodation.

    Trailer sailer potential in this configuration.

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    Honestly, I'd like to pick my boat -- Herreshoff H-28

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    But if I was really honest I've gotta' tell ya' it's Oughtred's Eun Na Maraeunmara4.jpgeunmara1.jpg

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    The St. George.jpg

    An 18ft Rob Pittaway designed "Robin". This boat was built by Mike Kiefer of Great Lakes Boatbuilding in 1997. Originally cat-ketch rigged, I christened the boat the St. George and converted it to a spritsail sloop (heresy! for all the balanced lug nuts of the forum, I know). Here we are just a bit south of the Muskegon, MI Lighthouse. Winds were gently from the east, which in these parts means smooth sailing on Lake Michigan. Whether she is the prettiest boat under 30' is questionable, that I think she is is not surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bailey View Post
    Oughtred has designed some nice looking boats over the years but I have never liked Eun Na Mara. I think it looks dumpy and I really don't like the rudder and cabin trunk.

    I'd say it isn't even the prettiest boat within half a mile of where that picture was taken - there is (or at least used to be) an Irens Romilly based there which was nice to look at if not a particularly sparkling performer in local racing.
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    Dumpy, eh?

    Fightin' words mate...
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    Well the rudder is nicer......

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    I did not dare to say it before but I think Eun Mara should be stretched to 30 '. And then the hull strip planked.

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    My taste in boats varies from day to day, and from purpose to different purpose.
    I'd probably choose Haiku first

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    Eun Mara's length to beam ration is pretty close to a catboat-like 3:1, definitely not skinny. But, that beam gives her stability that allows for a combined ballast of only about 600 pounds (roughly 400 in the keel and 90-100 in each bilge board) which helps achieve the mission of relatively easily trailered "coastal cruiser". Stretch her 19'-9" deck to 30' and you have an entirely different boat.

    While I'd never say she's svelte, "dumpy" just felt a bit harsh. One outlier opinion certainly isn't going to make me burn my boat...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FF View Post
    I did not dare to say it before but I think Eun Mara should be stretched to 30 '. And then the hull strip planked.
    so basically a chuck paine frances, carol, or annie at 24', 26', or 30' respectively.

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    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    I think Eun Mara is a very pretty boat. I guess if I was going to build one, I'd probably strip-plank it to avoid the hassle of all those lands inside but I think you can't beat the look of a small clinker hull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    but I think you can't beat the look of a small clinker hull.

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    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    so basically a chuck paine frances, carol, or annie at 24', 26', or 30' respectively.

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    That is what I like, Paul. Clean lines. I think often all these details like lapstrake planking, as many spars as possible, and also a deckhouse with skylight are to much. Like eating lots of Apfelstrudel. Frank

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    Williams 28



    or a Crosby Striper


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarkey View Post
    Oughtred has designed some nice looking boats over the years but I have never liked Eun Na Mara. I think it looks dumpy and I really don't like the rudder and cabin trunk.

    I'd say it isn't even the prettiest boat within half a mile of where that picture was taken - there is (or at least used to be) an Irens Romilly based there which was nice to look at if not a particularly sparkling performer in local racing.
    Eye of the beholder!

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    Default Re: McLauglin Roz

    Tortuga 28ft
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lugalong View Post
    Long skinny and elegant dinghy with basic overnight accomodation.

    Trailer sailer potential in this configuration.
    John, I like your H28 too! Can you tell us a bit more about her? Who built her? what auxiliary engine is in her?
    Jay

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    Pilgrim's Wake
    20' on deck 17" LOA
    Strip planked Custom Eel Build by Martin Suo
    Lovely sailor and setup for cruising, one long diesel, head, stove, fresh and salt water taps, two berths, radar, depth sounder, etc. The owner has cruised around Haida Gwai as well as Vancouver Island solo.
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