Very shoal draft designs

[mwybo]

Hi , can anyone direct me to a shoal draft, beachable, leeboard design of approximately 30 feet in length. The two I am aware of are Herreshoff's Meadowlark and Bolger's Manatee. This should give you some idea of what I am looking for. Thanks in advance.

Mike

[StevenBauer]

Iain Oughtred has Haiku:





<br><br><img src="http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/designers/oughtred/OughtredHaikuSharpiePlan2.jpg">&nbsp;<br><br>Sharp ie Haiku

Flat bottom sharpies have been around in the US since the late 1800's as work boats, radical design at the time, but have since proven their worth. The Haiku has been design with the same simplicity of construction, fitout and rig, harking back to Ralph M. Munroe's "Egret". Keep it simple and it'll won't let you down.

The interior is more comfortable than a traditional sharpie, having twin centre boards on either side of the boat rather than one big board in the middle. Much more room down below.

The fully battened gaff and wishbone ketch rig,unstayed as traditional sharpies, make for a well balanced and easy to sail boat.

A motor well for an outboard can be fitted.

Specs

Type: Sharpie
LOA: 9.15 m - 30' 0"
Beam: 2.36 m - 7' 8"
Draft: 0.40 m - 1' 3"
Sail Area: 31.32 sq m - 337.00 sqf
Weight: 1590.90 kg - 3500 lbs
Displacement: 772.73 kg - 1700 lbs

[George Ray]

http://www.parker-marine.com/



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Research terms:
Commodore Monroe
Yacht Alice
Presto Sharpies
Reuel Parker
**************
THE YACHT ALICE
by Henry Howard
One of the most detailed and intelligent accounts of building a boat every penned. Includes his account of a cruise to the West Indies.
To anyone contemplating the building or equipping of a sailing yacht, this book will be a unique friend and guide. Never has there been presented with such clarity and thoroughness (or with such manifest enjoyment) the steps through which the prospective yachtsman must go. This is an account of the building of one boat from the inception of the idea, selecting the type of boat, choosing a designer, drawing the plans, choosing a builder, determining the type of engine, gear of all sorts, launching, cruising, and finally a reevaluation after twenty years of sailing.

This is a shallow draft Monroe design (Caribe) that was built once before Monroe retired. Monroe gave H. Howard the plans and told him to go see John Alden to do the construction details which he did. the draftsman on the project was Sam Crocker. Claude Worth was a contributor from a distance. A little bigger than you asked for but the stuff dreams are made of. Mr. Howard and his wife cruised her in the Caribbean for over 20 years. D.N Goodchild has reprinted it and old copies are available.

[JimConlin]

Iain Oughtred has Haiku:
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Specs

Type: Sharpie
LOA: 9.15 m - 30' 0"
Beam: 2.36 m - 7' 8"
Draft: 0.40 m - 1' 3"
Sail Area: 31.32 sq m - 337.00 sqf
Weight: 1590.90 kg - 3500 lbs
Displacement: 772.73 kg - 1700 lbs

I'm puzzled as to how the displacement can be half the weight.
Is helium involved?

Fret not. The same error is on the Duckflat site.

[mmd]

(Sorry, can't resist...)

For shoal draft, beachability, and exciting performance, you can't beat a multihull. And yes, they can be built out of wood - an ideal candidate for diagonal veneer cold molding, in fact. Here's Malcolm Tennant's "Chrome 9.6":

The "Chrome - 96" is a small cruising trimaran with a high performancecapability. There is full standing headroom, a fold out double berth and three other permanent berths to give a total sleeping capacity for five. There is a galley, folding table and a head with shower. All this is contained in a lightweight structure surmounted by a high performance, but easily handled, fully battened rig.

SPECIFICATIONS LOA 9.6m 31' 6
BOA 7.3m 23' 11
Displacement [on DWL] 1,800 kg 3,960 lb
Sail Area 57 sqm 614 sq'

[JimD]

Thirty foot leeboard sharpie by Paul Fisher. Not as shapely as Meadowlark but quick and easy plywood construction:

30' DRAGONFLY SHARPIE

For working the East Coast, exploring shallow estuaries and for the occasional hop across to the continent, maybe through the French canals to the Med, this 30’ sharpie combines very easy and cheap construction with a simple and efficient rig and room for 4/6 in comfort. LOA 30’; Beam 7’; Draft (min) 1’4’’; Headroom 5’ (6’2’’ under hatch); Sail Area 375 sq.ft.; Displ. 7000 lbs.; Ballast 2000 lbs. May be built with centreboard.

http://www.selway-fisher.com/Yachts2435.htm

[Lance F. Gunderson]

Bolger's Skillegalle design from "30 Odd Boats" is an improvement on his Black Skimmer design; 29' loa, off-centerboard instead of leeboards (which are a real nuissance), and inside chines which improve light air performance in these flat bottomed sharpies. I'd give some thought to the "AS29" and "Loose Moose" as well. I know they're ugly but if you imagine how it might be cruising on them then they start to become very interesting. Bolger is the King Of Shoal Draft Cruising Boats.

[Steve Paskey]

Hi , can anyone direct me to a shoal draft, beachable, leeboard design of approximately 30 feet in length. The two I am aware of are Herreshoff's Meadowlark and Bolger's Manatee.

I don't recall the name of the design, but Pete Culler designed a boat that was sort of like a v-bottomed version of Meadowlark.

[GregW]

http://www.cmdboats.com/trailersaile...c910dc66c26121

How about this guy, 32ft leeboards and all.

[earling2]

I second the Bolger endorsement. I also second the Advanced Sharpie comments -- they DO become more beautiful when you start imagining living with them. Bolger is a no-hassle advocate and never having to call a bridge tender, pay for a mooring or sleep in a lumpy seaway is sort of the equivalent, functionally, to the aesthetic payback of owning a New York 30...




I built and sailed a Black Skimmer years ago -- I don't agree with Lance Gunderson on leeboards as nuisance, by the way. If you rig them two-part and tend them like a jib each tack (except far easier to tend than any jib ... literally a four second job) they're quiet, extremely efficient, foolproof. Even if you don't tend them, the worst that can happen is the windward board sort of sails away from the boat and broken-wings. Not sure where they earn the nuisance epithet.
Isn't a jammed/rusted/broken/warped centerboard that has to be worked into the living space is a little closer to nuisance??

[earling2]

That Chesapeake Design sharpie is really nice but an awful lot like Bolger's Red Zinger, which was written up in Messing About a few years ago. The guy who owned it eventually began racing against J24 and such, handicapped, but I think I remember him doing OK.

[PVanderwaart]

There are several Bolger designs not yet mentioned, including Manatee/Alert, the W.D. Jochems Schooner, and Black Gauntlet II.

You might also check out the designs of YM Tanton at www.tantonyachts.com. Look for #946 and #216 especially, but others may also be of interest.

[MTRiverDrifter]

The 30' William Garden Cat Ketch is beautiful to my eye. It has 24" draft. You'd give up beaching, but only in extreme cases like Alaskan mud flats does 24" inches put you far out from shore. Mystic has the plans. This boat, supposedly, really performs.

[ishmael]

Can't let it pass without a mention of Karl Stambaugh's Bahama Mamma. Centerboard ketch, drawn for building on the cheap. Pretty and sweet, for the type.

Cheers.

[mwybo]

Thanks for the suggestions. Those are some very nice designs. Here are a few more constraints for my ideal design

Would prefer not to have a centerboard, leeboards are ok. I prefer to not sacrifice the cabin space or open the hull.

Would prefer mast(s) on tabernacles so that I can step and unstep them myself. This boat is going to be used to sneak around the gulf coast of Florida where there are some beautifully secluded hangouts. The water can get thin and the bridges low.

Finally, unstayed masts would be a plus but not a requirement, simply to make things easier.

Thanks again and I appreciate all your suggestions. Keep 'em coming.

Mike

[Lance F. Gunderson]

I sailed a Bolger Black Skimmer all over Florida Bay; she was the ideal boat for that purpose. Later I sold her to Key Largo Shoal Water cruises where she was chartered. They owned a fleet of sharpies, including a Black Gauntlet ll which I thought sailed very well and was fast. Now I have to wonder what happened to all those sharpies? If I were you I'd inquire around the Key Largo area; perhaps you can find your dream boat at an attractive value. My Tashtego was very well built by Walter Baron of Wellfleet, MA; she was in great shape when I sold her, but that was a a long time ago. Maybe you can find her!

[RodB]

Heres a thread on a 30 footer with easy construction but it is a centerboard...designed for shallow water...

http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulleti...ghlight=presto

Plans available from:
http://www.parker-marine.com/P30page.html

LOA 29' 11" LWL 23' 11"
Beam 8' 6" (over rails)
Draft 2' 2" / 5' 2" Rig: Sliding Gunter yawl

Yes the sailplan was selected to be optimal for trailering this boat and yes there is a tabernacle.

Headroom about 5 feet 5" I think was the estimate. ... hollow birdsmouth spars.

Construction three layer 1/4 ply cold molded bottom to curve of bilge... topsides 1/2" ply. Decks, 1/2" ply...










A larger version exists in 36 feet from Reuel Parker.

RB

[Nicholas Scheuer]

Built by Edey 7 Duff in Airex foam cored fiberglass, it could be strip built and stretched two feet if you purchased the line drawings from Phil Bolger or E&D, not sure which.

Moby Nick

[mike hanyi]

You should look at the typical dutch designs-they are exactly what you have described.

counterbalanced tabernacle mast-really easy to put up and back while sailing!

huge undivided cabin

leeboards

normally now in steel hulls but every now and then in oak

they are more efficient then they look

just off the top of my head look here for pictures

http://www.hoekdesign.com/

[dredbob]

The Pete Culler leeboard sharpie mentioned by Steve Paskey was named Old Glory. It was 36 feet long plus a Chesapeake style clipper bow and bow sprit. As Steve said, it is a shallow vee hull, designed for Chesapeake style herringbone construction. It's a very pretty, very "shippy" boat.

Also consider Ted Brewer's Centennial design. It's a raised deck leeboard sharpie, about 32 feet if I recall correctly.

There's also the 29 foot model in Bruce Kirby's Norwalk Island Sharpie line, and there's one about 33' or so also.

I'm also pretty sure that there are a couple of Howard Chapelle sharpies in that size range. The Smithsonian sells the drawings, but you need their catalog to figure out what you want.

Bob

[P.L.Lenihan]

Another vote for the AS-29 and here is a good blog by someone who built one and is now living the dream,as it were:

http://walkurevoyages.blogspot.com/2006/12/links.html


Enjoy!

Peter

[Wild Dingo]

Research terms:
Commodore Monroe
Yacht Alice
Presto Sharpies
Reuel Parker
**************
THE YACHT ALICE
by Henry Howard
One of the most detailed and intelligent accounts of building a boat every penned. Includes his account of a cruise to the West Indies.
To anyone contemplating the building or equipping of a sailing yacht, this book will be a unique friend and guide. Never has there been presented with such clarity and thoroughness (or with such manifest enjoyment) the steps through which the prospective yachtsman must go. This is an account of the building of one boat from the inception of the idea, selecting the type of boat, choosing a designer, drawing the plans, choosing a builder, determining the type of engine, gear of all sorts, launching, cruising, and finally a reevaluation after twenty years of sailing.

This is a shallow draft Monroe design (Caribe) that was built once before Monroe retired. Monroe gave H. Howard the plans and told him to go see John Alden to do the construction details which he did. the draftsman on the project was Sam Crocker. Claude Worth was a contributor from a distance. A little bigger than you asked for but the stuff dreams are made of. Mr. Howard and his wife cruised her in the Caribbean for over 20 years. D.N Goodchild has reprinted it and old copies are available.

Hey George
Mate Ive just been looking through Goodchilds site but cant find that one in there?... can you point me in the right direction please
Cheers

[Steve Paskey]

Here you go, Dingo:
http://www.dngoodchild.com/0309.htm

Publication #0309, listed under "Boat Building and Design"

[Wild Dingo]

Here you go, Dingo:
http://www.dngoodchild.com/0309.htm

Publication #0309, listed under "Boat Building and Design"

Bloody legend Steve! Here I was fumbling around in the "boats over 24ft" section
Cheers

Hey! Do you know if that book gives the offsets etc? or is it just a story with a few pics?... from those to pics on that page Id hope everything would be included

shes rather sweet isnt she? of course that was a rhetorical question cause shes more than sweet

[DGentry]

Don't limit yourself to monohulls! The point has been made before that multis are as shoal draft as you like. Plus they are often much faster, barely heel, pitch or roll, they don't have pile of lead eagerly awaiting the chance to pull you to the bottom, they've got vastly more deck space than comparably sized monos, and, in a cat, you get two hulls for privacy.

Here's a plug for Thomas Firth Jones' easily built plywood multis: http://jonesboats.com/dandyII.html

You - and everyone else - might also want to read his book, MULTIHULL VOYAGING. It's a great read, and gives one a new perspective. TFJ has written a few other good books as well, including NEW PLYWOOD BOATS, AND A FEW OTHERS .

[YMT]

Seaweed.

[rbgarr]

Mike-

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