I'm posting these pictures for Adam, and he'll add the verbage.
A nice looking boat.
I'm posting these pictures for Adam, and he'll add the verbage.
A nice looking boat.
NIce indeed, and big too!
She does look cute, and the boat doesn't look bad either.
This is the best treatment I have seen on a Kings's Cruisers portholes. Looks like her stern is intact, remarkable in these boats and likely due to that huge cowel vent. I'd sure add another up front for dockside. Someone who knew and cared had this boat for a long time. Hull is about as rough as I've seen still floating. This boat looks like a great candidate for a veneer over hull. Likely the only affordable way to get the hull back smooth and eliminate future frame trouble. Her looks are good enough to make this worthwhile. These hulls could really benefit from the extra beef and are sleek enough that the extra volume will not be a problem. If you add three or four laminations she might even lay over less and go faster. The best way to do this is as follows. Haul in an affordable yard (tall order) who will block her over digable dirt, or in such a manner that the keel can be removed. Sandblast the keel to white metal and coat with epoxy red lead. Ream out keelbolt holes in wood to remove all iron leeching. Poor full or otherwise soak boltholes with gallons of CPES. Fill holes with epoxy/microfiber/cabosil/talc mix (Gougeon High Density). Insert a waxed sched. 40 PVC mandrel of appropriate diameter for the bolt, into the hole or drill the epoxy plug very carefully, so the new bolt stays in epoxy sheath. Bolt keel back on useing 2 part polysulphide bedding and bronze bolts and nuts. Remove rails. Hire a pro to grind the hull fair with a disc grinder. Don't fool around here, as only a very experienced pro can do this without ruining the hull. Look at some of his work before you commit. Replace ALL suspect fastenings with bronze or copper. Soak hull with CPES. Sheath keel and deadwood with tri-axial cloth in continuous consecutive strips to above garboard. Grind cloth out to feather and start diagonal veneers feather to below deadwood. Cover veneers with Xenol-Polyester cloth and LOTS of epoxy resin. Paint to suit. Soak entire inside of hull with gallons of CPES and paint with Kirby's red lead. Now you can start on the deck.
BIG, BIG!!Originally posted by Dale Harvey:
This is the best treatment I have seen on a Kings's Cruisers portholes. ... Now you can start on the deck.
(and) Beautiful, but you could drop two KingsCruisers inside and sail away
VERy good description of Sheathing/cold molding. I would attempt such a thing if the keel bolts could be ignored.
Harvey, you mentioned "cowel vents" they are openings allowing air to move freely through the boat, right?
And, what relationship does this boat have with the king's cruiser (kettenburg, IOD, or Rhodes) ?
where is this boat?
aaaaaaahhhhhhhh the work the work..... sigh... such fun!!!
I see Jack was on the ball with the boat being good looking too ... but a flamin tv????? what possible use could that thing have when there is so much joyous sanding to do?
Grandpaw Ed mate could you please give me an inckling of just exacatacily this boat is? Pleading Aussie ignorance... well bushie from Northwest West Aussie ignorance then Mike Field if your reading no doubt you will know what it is..... So..... eludicate please
How BIG BIG is she? History? etc all the gorey details please
Take it easy
I won't steal Adam's thunder, but since I know these boats well -- and Adam's boat was on our dock for awhile...
She's an Island Clipper, 44', built by Fellows and Stewart in San Pedro in the late forties or early fifties. My brother was restoring hull #1 and we had a good knowldege of these able craft. They were designed by Fellows and Stewart to compete with the Kettenburg PC -- and they did, but they were stronger. Some did quite well in their class in the Trans Pac, I believe. I know my brother's boat was a Mexico vet. With her, we did some sistering, a couple of new planks, recaulking, new engine, etc. Fast, strong and originally well built, the F&S yard was reknowned, and these boats were extremely popular. I nelieve she is douglas fir on oak, bronze screw fastened Adam is fortunate because, I believe, his is original. I know there is work to be done, but she is worth it. Any sailor familiar with great West Coast designs will recognize this thoroughbred. That is Windward Yard in Marina Del Rey. Two months ago we hauled our Caulkins 50 in those same slings. Now that the West Coast contingent is being represented, I'll have to figure out how to post some new pics of AMANTE in the yard and under sail.
Go for it Adam, she's terrific!
[This message has been edited by bill hersey (edited 10-06-2001).]
Thanks so much Ed harrow for posting these pictures. Your a fantastic help, and I truly appreciate it.
We bought the boat May 15th of this year, and have been restoring her.
Here are the pics described:
1. The boat in the slings ready for haulout. September 4th.
2. The boat circa August 15th, after we had stripped and repainted the whole interior. Wife at the sink doing her thing.
3. The boat around june 15th, interior stripped awaiting paint.
4. The boat picture taken about a week ago. Hull totally sanded, ALL OF IT (that's why it looks so rough, guys!) 18 Sisters put in, recaulked where she is leaking.
5. V berth around june 15th showing the amount of stripping done.
Basically, we bought her, gutted her, and painted and finished the inside. I put in a new cabin sole, 18 frames which used over 300 screws, and built tons of stuff inside.
We are painting the hull within a week or so, stay tuned for more pictures. The hull is prepped for painting as we speak, i am just finishing recaulking now.
As a note, no rot in the hull, planks perfect. We are so happy.
She is a 1951 44' Island clipper. Hull #19 of 20 built, and we love her!
Oh...some more notes:
Bill Hersey...Right on the mark! but she is hauled out in Dana Point, not a mile from where I live.
44'3" LOD, 9'-6" beam, 30' LWL 20,000 lbs, 8000lbs lead, white oak frames, mahogany keel, douglas fir planking, mahogany house.
Designed by Merle Davis, borrowed heavily from rhodes. 6'3" headroom throughout, 6'6" in doghouse.
All bronze fastened. Read lead goes on Tomorrow!
Leave it to me to break the final taboo and comment on another man's wife.
The boat looks like a beauty and a great project. Glad to hear the planking was sound. How's things like cabin sides and deck beams?
Best of luck,
Deck beams great, as well as all structural timbers. Cabin sides were swiss cheese....you could see through a bunch of places due to the rot.
CPES'd to death and epoxied. slight rot in the hood ends of the planks at the tip of the stem, but fine now.
Thanks for all the support, guys. More pictures to come.
I think there are some here who have commented on another's wife. That taboo's been broken. What worried me was that the "girl" in the photo looks so young, that I thought maybe you were going after Adam C's daughter. Now that Adam's cleared that up, I'm no longer worried about your being a dirty old man. But I have this nagging feeling that Adam's gone and robbed the cradle. I thought maybe the dish antena in the cockpit was for MTV or something.
That is my wife....I'm twenty eight and she is twenty nine. The dish is to keep the three kids busy with Toon Disney while we work. They are: Dorian - 5 Sebastian - 2, and Safia, 3. She is who the boat is named after.
Me and the 'ol lady just celebrated our sixth wedding anniversary on Sept. 30th.
Hope any or all of you can visit one day soon for a boat ride...
Hey Rosen, you're back! Where ya been old man?
Don't know about all that cradle robbing stuff. I've always kinda admired Bogart and Bacall, but maybe it's just middle age sinking in. Do love women, all women(well most women).
Reminds of a story of Jung and Freud. They consulted on, and both examined a schizophrenic woman. Jung was fascinated by the richness of the woman's ill mind. Freud remarked that he couldn't imagine enjoying working with a woman who was so ugly. Jung's response was that he hadn't even noticed how physically ugly the woman was. I believe it was one of the genesis points of Jung's theory of types--that different finitely classifiable types of people have very different experiences of life.
Don't mind me.
You've accomplished all that??? Since May???? [sound of chin hitting keyboard] And kept up with three little ones??? [shaking head side to side]
Absolutely amazing! My sincere congratulations [and heartfelt admiration].
You're not coming near Florida any time soon are ya????
Thanks Concordia. This is how I did it:
1. Got the boat may 15th. Sailed 60 miles back from Marina Del Rey. Engine cooked. Immediately tore out all hull ceiling and ugliness inside.
2. Wooded interior. Complete paint strip inside - all surfaces.
3. Fixed all interior rot (cabin sides)
4. Ripped out cabin sole. rebuilt. New Galley counters and stove mount.
5. Dismantled and ****canned old cockpit. Rebuit. Saved good teak benches.
6. Hauled out. Completely wooded exterior hull above and below waterline. No rot on hull.
7. Reefed out leaking caulking seams
8. Sistered 18 frames. Laminated 12 pieces of 1/8" x 2" oak for each frame.
9. Cotton caulked open seams. 3M 5200 paying compound on all open seams and anything questionable.
10. Prime Hull with Kirby's red lead primer.
(Tomorrow, Oct. 7th).
After this, I will paint the bottom, prime and paint the topsides, remove the engine, install the new one, and prime and paint the deck and cabin, in that order. This will be done by November 4th launch date.
After that, the boat will still not have electronics, tankage, varnsihed wood, and a host of other finishing touches. It is a long and discouraging list. I have worked on her daily without fail since May 15th, and have taken only a couple of days off. I do approx. 2 hrs per day on weekdays, and all day saturday and sunday. Before she was hauled we worked on her a few more hours in the evening. I work a full time job as a yacht broker, but my schedule is flexible so I take advantage of it.
The wife is instrumental in allowing me time to work on the boat while she watches the kids, and she is also an expert paint stripper. Couldn't have done it without her.
We sail november 4th!
Adam she is a beauty... yes no doubt both of them... what I cant figure is how you managed all that with the missus and ankle biters AND.... then... went to work 9 hours a day as well???????
PLEASE DONT TELL ME YOU RETIRED AT 28?????
Thanks for all the info... I gather you mean only 20 of these beauties were ever made? be a shame if thats so...
Oh the Tv mate the Tv ditch the thing and give em all a wad of sandpaper!!
Take it easy
Welcome back there Scott good to see you mate!
Now Tony theres an idea... your place first then Mike Fields in Adelaide then across the bight to my place where Adams 4 would have a joyous time with my 8 the womens can get together and tell war stories while we men get out and drool over Adams boat!!! .... See Adam got your itinary all mapped out!! Now get to it mate!
Take it easy
Thanks for the kind words guys.
Our November 4 sail date is when she goes back in the water, and I'd be happy to sail to South of the breakwater, much less the South Pacific!
Shane, I probably work 7 hours per day and am as far away from retirement as anyone here.
We will be doing the South Pacific one day, and will be sure to stop in NZ and OZ!
That's one fine boat. "Pile of sticks"? I don't think so.
Is that Mrs. C. in the galley?
Ah, the good old days. Except when we were doing all that stuff after work and every other waking hour purloined from work and other responsibilitys, we had no kids. My hat's off to you Adam. ( we have 3 too... oldest just turned 10. youngest is 5 soon.)
Nice looking boat and with all the room you'll ever need ( I wish we had some more)
Margo, you feel bad? If I wasn't so busy helping the world why I might even have gotten off another plank, LOL.
You don't know what consternation you have caused amongst us mere mortals. You basically tore apart and rebuilt a 44' boat in 5 months, all the while holding a job, raising three kids and keeping SWMBO happy.
Makes me feel silly to admit it has taken me 15 months to build a 16' bare hull. In fact, it has sat idle for the last three weeks simply because I can't get my sh*t together to flip the darn thing over. (anyone want to come over and help me out? ) I can't imagine how you did it.
Are you sure that wasn't May 15, 1999?
Thanks Jeff. Yes it was may of this year.
But wait...it's not such a big deal. It just takes self discipline. I told SWMBO that if we bought the boat, I had to work on it every day, at least for some amount. She agreed. She wants a sailing, working boat as much as I do.
Since then, I have had good days and bad days...days that I had to drag my tired ass to the boat and do something for an hour.
And in all fairness, my boat is structurally very good. You can't compare this to a major like Ed's Phoenix....I don't need a new keel or other major timbers. Those guys have way more work than I do.
I basically did a major facelift, with a little frame sistering and plugging a few leaks.
I figure if I had a boat like Phoenix, it would take me at least two years to finish her at my current rate, and that is why Ed needs to build a shed for her.
No magic here, just a simpler job. FYI, I figure she will be all done, with finishing touches inside, electronics, and wiring by May of 2002. I will be daysailing her starting in around a month or so.
Does anyone know how I can get in contact with Adam C? I have Safia now and I would like to know more about her history.
Itsmio, since the photohost for the original pix seems to have departed, perhaps you could get your own pix up here for our enjoyment.