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    More from the world of Canard Airplane Builders:

    Just a "for what it's worth" - Gary Hunter (our resident epoxy guru) replied
    several years ago to a question on fuel compatibilities. His reply is below.

    -Joe Person
    Tech Counselor 4418
    Bothell, WA

    All the suppliers claim their "structural resins" are suitable for fuel
    containment. And, they are - IF - the builder knows how to go about it and
    does everything correctly. I have always been adamant about "post curing"
    epoxies, especially the fuel tank. You can't buy cheaper insurance.

    Safe-T-Poxy I or now EZ-Poxy 87 is probably by far the best in this
    category, with or without a post cure. Chemical resistance is one of the
    prime attributes of epoxies beyond homebuilding airplanes. They are used
    for building fiberglass chemical storage tanks and piping and for lining of
    steel tanks to prevent corrosion. In that industry the curing agent "type"
    governs the degree of chemical resistance. Aromatic amines are by far the
    best known curing agent type for overall chemical resistance - particularly
    in fuels, solvents and strong acids. EZ-Poxy 87 is the only aromatic amine
    curing agent available to the homebuilt world.

    Next in line are "aliphatic amines". The original RAES & RAEF were
    "modified" aliphatic amines. However, according to my tests the RAES
    without a post cure was absolutely no good for fuel and marginal with. But,
    the RAEF without a post cure was marginal and did just fine with a post
    cure. Thus, the original Vari-Eze plans mandated RAEF for the fuel tanks.

    Next in line are "cycloaliphatic" amines. Aeropoxy, MGS, Proset, and
    EZ-Poxy 83 & 84 are "blends of modified aliphatic and cycloaliphatic amine
    adducts". Modified - because the straight stuff has bad cure behavior.
    Some modifications work out better than others. A prime example is the
    Aeropoxy's sensitivity to temperature and moisture. I call these "quirky
    cure characteristics". However, even the "quirkiest" of these curing
    agents will resist fuel - IF - they are properly applied and fully post
    cured.

    DO NOT simply brush the resin on the inside surface of the already cured
    fuel tank and expect it to cure like a 2 or 4 ply lay-up. This is where the
    screen plugging flakes of epoxy come from.

    Your original layups for all the inside tank components should be "wet" so
    to be certain there are no dry spots, pinholes or voids. This is no place
    to be too concerned about weight. Even the BID tapes in the corners should
    be nice and wet. Peel ply only were secondary bonds will be needed. For
    those of you than like the smooth surface of peel plying - add an extra
    final ply of a fine weave light weight fiberglass deck cloth. It will give
    you a similar smooth surface without introducing or hiding voids. Warm
    shop temperatures and low humidity will reduce the curing agents "quirk"
    factor.

    There are many ways to obtain a post cure on the tank. Before the tops are
    put on, you can use heat lamps to cure the inside surfaces. You can
    pre-post cure the inside surface of the top too. After the top is bonded
    in place you can post cure these bonds by heating the exterior surface with
    heat lamps. The heat will work its way to the bonds.

    OR, after the top of the tank is bonded on, you can circulate warm air
    through the tank for several hours. I did this with the outlet end of my
    vacuum cleaner inserted in to the fuel cap opening. About 140F is
    sufficient.

    RULE OF THUMB - If you can hold your hand on the surface to the count of 10
    - the temperature is 140F or below.

    Hope this is helps.

    Gary Hunter
    EAA Technical Counselor
    Vari-Eze N235GH


    EAA is Experimental Aircraft Association.

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    I heard that alcohol eats epoxy, so epoxy gas tanks are a no-no, unless you can guarantee that you will never get gas with alcohol.
    Don't Panic!

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    Well, there's epoxy, and then there is epoxy. If you know what I mean. When Gary speaks of epoxy it is not in the "I've heard" catagory. However, he is speaking to aircraft specifically and I have a hunch alcohol laced fuel is avoided for other reasons so I would not argue that EZ-Poxy is alcohol resistant.

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    Hi All,

    On the Glen-L site there are web newsletters. #30 links to a cabin skiff project built by Ray Macke. Ray's whole site is quite interesting especially his battle with an allergic reaction to epoxy.

    However, of relevance here is the concern he had with ethanol in his epoxy tank and the solution he found.

    It was a product called Epoxy Gas Tank Sealer from Caswell Plating. His experience with it is on page 17 of his site.

    I recommend his site to anyone interested.

    Howard

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