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    From the Wooden Boat Rescue Foundation ( http://www.woodenboatrescue.org/carview.php?view=81 )

    Listing : Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter

    Type: Sailboat
    Model: Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter
    Rigging: Gaff Cutter (Ketch now)
    Year: 1925
    Length: 54'

    Price: $0
    City: Long Island, New York
    Condition: good-needs lots work
    Draft: 75"
    Beam: 12'



    Condition and reality:

    The vessel has been ashore for two years now in a yard in Greenport, NY on the North Fork of Long Island. There will be some storage charges due.

    Zarefah was originally a cutter, but is now ketch rigged. She is framed with 3”x4”(approx). double sawn oak, teak planked. She is approximately 54’8” on deck, with a 17’ retractable bowsprit; a beam of 13’and draft of 8’6”. The vessel is flush decked, except for a small house over the companionway. Outside ballast is lead, bilge is filled with concrete. Plank fastenings are copper rivets, with iron futtock bolts, some iron knees, etc. Spars are all in good shape, including a new mainmast that needs to have the ironwork fitted. There are topmasts I think on both masts. There are sails that seem to be serviceable. The interior was removed to do the work; some of it was thrown out, but there are plenty of pictures and probably enough of the joinery left to indicate what went where. Most of the hardware and line is here, as is the standing rigging, a mix of stainless and galvanized . The motor is a Mercedes diesel, with an unknown number of hours on it. It seemed to work OK, when we brought the boat from Huntington to Greenport. Running rigging, ground tackle, etc come with the boat.

    Before the boat was hauled, its leaking was pretty controlled, the major leak being from behind the stuffing box. It has opened up a bit, but could be made to float.

    As to the necessary work, the boat is a formidable project, a major restoration. Based on my observations and those of the surveyor Paul Haley, who looked at it briefly (we were not prepared at the time to remove planks or decking), here is what is required:

    1) The concrete in the bilge must be removed.
    2) The decking must be removed to determine how many deck beams need to be replaced. There are some that are already obviously split or rotted. The deck has already been reefed.
    3) Perhaps 25% or more of the frames need replacement. This will be known better after the concrete is gone. The iron futtock bolts should be punched out and replaced with bronze.
    4) The portside chainplates are practically falling off
    5) 50% of the clamp or more may have to be replaced.
    6) The transom has to be rebuilt.
    7) The shaft log has to be cut back to clean wood.
    8) The bulwark stanchions are all rotted and need to be replaced, as well as the railcap
    9) Parts of the covering board need replacing.
    10) There are a few butt blocks that need replacing
    11) The interior, electric and plumbing systems (including water tanks) need to be replaced.
    12) The condition of the backbone has yet to be ascertained

    On the plus side, the planking seems to be in good shape, and the boat still has her shape.

    I have gotten many inquiries from the ad, and I want to make a decision that is in the best interests of the boat. For those who want to pursue it, I would like to get from you some information about your abilities and resources to restore Zarefah, your experience and plans for using her.

    Before committing yourself, come and take a look at it for a reality check.

    One other thing. If I had the cash, I would be doing this myself. It’s what I do. So if this boat is a step into the unknown for you, or even if it isn’t, you should consider hiring me to do the work, or to work with you. My situation is such that I can work here or away from home.

    I hope this answers most of your questions. After you have read this and the other document and looked at the pix, feel free to call me or e-mail me.

    Sincerely,

    Michael Kortchmar

    This is an actual Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter, one of maybe two in North America. The owner stated she was in the water last year and that she needs lots of work, but maybe not major components. The owner is a shipwright and this was to be his boat, but things change and he wants her to go to a very good owner who is realistic about the importance of this boat and the cost and time of a restoration. He would love to take on the project himself for the new owner.
    This will be a very fast and most classic boat of the pragmatic work kind. These boats are the ultimate cruiser with an amazing turn of speed.

    Contact: mkortch@optonline.net, 516 509 2096

    History:

    First Owner: Document #5226
    Charles Hellyer 1925
    Brixham
    England
    Name of Boat: Senorita
    Listed as having a “paraffin” (diesel) Motor 4 cylinder 4 ˝ - 6 ˝
    Auxiliary cutter 1643 sq ft sail area
    Built by Phillips & Sons, Ltd. in Dartmouth
    Listed as 32 English tonnes.

    Owner 1951: Document #8030
    A.H. Birtwistle
    Brixham
    England
    Listed as having been altered from a cutter to a Ketch in 1931
    Name is now Zarefah, previously listed as also having Skipjack and Eniadeon as other names.
    Draft listed as 8.5 ft
    LOD as 54 ft 8 in
    Beam 13ft 1 in
    Now has oil engine 4 cy 2 ˝ - 4 ˝ made in Coventry 1947

    Owner 1966: Document #11182
    William M Mackinlay
    Name is still Zarefah

    Jenkins is preacher owner. Bought vessel in the Chesapeake and took it south to the Islands.

    Sister ship is Tern IV (Turn Four??) Built in 1924 as an active pilot vessel for Claude Worth.

    The Water Brothers owned Zarefah at some point in time and had her in Scotland sailing the North Sea. She also sailed to Gibralter two times. Also to Jamaica and Nova Scotia. She has crossed the Atlantic at least 6 times and Done at least one Dunkirk rescue trip, some question about a second run. During the war she was “Zarefah”.

    Jenkins sold her to Thompson due to having a heart attack on the boat while sailing north to Bermuda from somewhere in the islands.

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    Work the work to put her right, I'd say...

    Alan

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    Whoops.

    Didn't see OEX's post until after this one was a done deal.

    A good vessel, nonetheless. No one here's interested???

    Alan

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    I wish!

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    Edited to ask:
    Can anyone tell me why some threads, like this one, are way off the side of my screen while the majority can be read without constantly shifting back and forth? I've given up on some interesting threads that were fairly long because it got to be too much trouble to read them by using the arrows. Is there anything I could do to condense the text so I can see the full width at one time?

    [ 07-18-2005, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: Stan C ]

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    Originally posted by Stan C:

    Can anyone tell me why some threads, like this one, are way off the side of my screen while the majority can be read without constantly shifting back and forth?
    Over wide posts are caused by excessively long URLs or over-sized pictures.

    Some say using the " Printer-friendly view of this topic", at the bottom of each page, helps.

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    Default Zarefah

    The hull design"Zarefah" is not based on the Bristol Channel pilot cutter but on the Brixham trawler. The former has a straight stem while the latter has a rounded stem - amongst other differences.

    Around 1972 I bought "Zarefah" from MacKinlay who kept her in Holy Loch close to the US nuclear sub facility there (now gone). From Holy Loch I sailed to Gibraltar before crossing to the Windward Islands and up throuigh the Caribbean the Intercoastal from Morehead City to Greatbridge in North Carolina where I spent a year. I eventually sold the yacht in Miami to the so-named "Waterbrothers".

    It's sad to see "Zarefah" in the condition shown on WoodenBoat Forum and it's a reminder that an old and large wooden yacht requires continual maintenance, money and a devoted owner.

    Let's hope someone restores her to her Edwardian glory.

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    Thats an incredibly beautiful hull shape. I wish I had the money....
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    Certainly a worthy project, though extremely expensive. I hope she got a good owner. Does anyone know of the status of the restoration?

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    Maybe someone could find out.
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    Could there be some "typo's" here??

    Type: A dinghy???

    Draft: 75' A bit deep I would have thought?

    Following copied and pasted from site

    Type: Dinghy
    Model: English Cutter
    Rigging:
    Year: 1925
    Length: 54'

    Price: $0
    City: SAVED 8/05---Long Island, New York
    Condition: good-needs lots work
    Draft: 75'
    Beam: 12'
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcford View Post
    Certainly a worthy project, though extremely expensive. I hope she got a good owner. Does anyone know of the status of the restoration?
    Have a look at an internal pic from the site

    http://www.woodenboatrescue.org/image.php?Id=326
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Have a look at an internal pic from the site

    http://www.woodenboatrescue.org/image.php?Id=326
    Yes, I saw that. What is your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcford View Post
    Yes, I saw that. What is your point?
    It was that I suspected that the picture represented the current condition and that no real restoration had started.

    It does look like a great boat. It would be a pity for it to be destroyed.

    It would be great if a forumite near it could have a look ad report back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    It was that I suspected that the picture represented the current condition and that no real restoration had started.

    It does look like a great boat. It would be a pity for it to be destroyed.

    It would be great if a forumite near it could have a look ad report back.
    I assumed that it was prior to change of ownership. Picture does not tell me much, except that a new owner will need deep pockets.

    A multi 100s of Ks restoration. "If you can't afford to build it, you can't afford to _rebuild_ it."

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    Rum, I'm not sure if you realize this post started 2 years ago. This boat was placed with a new owner about a month after this post was originated. As far as I can tell there is no restoration log for this boat so those pictures were all taken before the boat was rescued. Here's some info froom the WBRF site:


    READ ALL BEFORE PLACING OR VIEWING A LISTING!!!



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    All boats on this site are FREE. Yes, the database gives an option for a price (see plea for help below), however, please enter a ZERO for the price. Any boats listed with a price will be deleted by the WBRF Admin ASAP or the price will be changed to zero, "0".



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    All boats titled as SAVED have been moved to the boat type "Dingy", These boats are NOT AVAILABLE. To see what boats are available please view listings by type realizing the "Dingy" means "SAVED." Yes its confusing, (see plea for help below).



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    If you are listing or adding a listing please log back and change the type to "Dingy" if you place the boat with someone.. DO NOT delete the listing, the listings stay up for people's research and such. However, feel free to delete your contact information.



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    Please remember to put your contact info with the vessels description main text or no one will see it. Place your listing and then open it to review, make sure you have it in the correct location. If your contact information is not in the text then WBRF reserves the right to enter it in the correct location. Since we get that information from your sign up membership, we may choose information you did not want listed. It is in your best interest to enter it in the correct "box".





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    Plea for help. The WBRF needs a new database. If you or someone you know can help please contact Bruce Elfstrom. The WBRF cannot pay for this, but we can include you in a few repair classes or some similar barter deal.



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    If you take a listed boat, through the owner, yard or the WBRF, there are some conditions you promise to follow. First you will write a restoration log for the WBRF site (click here to see an example. The WBRF will post the log via e-mail messages). Second you promise to give the boat back to WBRF if you do not get the restoration finished. Third you promise NOT to sell the boat before the restoration, and if you sell it after, you promise to give the WBRF 5% of sale or right of first refusal; although WBRF has no money so this might be a useless point!



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    How to place a listing: First create a sellers account and wait for your password t be e-mailed to you. Second place a listing with text description (include your contact info here) and category descriptions. Third submit your listing. Fourth log back on and open your listing in order to add photos. To add photos, download one at a time (width of 800dpi max please) and click the "UPDATE" button. You can add more photos (6 max) by entering and updating repetitively. When boat has a new home please do not remove the listing, just remove your contact information-- the listing can be of help to people looking for boats or doing research on a boat design.

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