Thomas C.Gilmer ditto"Winthorp Warner"

[penduick5]

Hi;

I'm looking for info on this specific designer. Just bought an Aries 33 sailboats and presently trying to find out who made the plans for it. The closest thing I found was on ARIES 32, built by C.C.Chen and design by Thomas C. Gilmer (I have read that he also signed as Winthorp Warner). Although most of the Aries 32 looks like my 33, there are major differences, fin keel instead of full, square stern intead of canoe, etc.

Information is very vague and sparse. Anyone could tell me were to hunt?
Thanks

[Ian McColgin]

Gilmer and Warner are two quite different people.

From http://www.mysticseaport.org/Library...9/coll259.html

Biography of Winthrop L. Warner, 1900-1987
Winthrop L. Warner was a naval architect specializing in the design of wooden cruising yachts from the inception of his career in Middletown, Connecticut in 1929, until his retirement in Vero Beach, Florida. During that time Warner designed over two hundred vessels, the majority of which were built.
Born in Middletown, Connecticut in 1900, Warner began his own Naval Architecture career there in 1929. An M.I.T. graduate and apprentice at the Electric Boat Company in Bayonne, New Jersey and the Portland Boat Yard in Portland, Connecticut, as well as a draftsman for John G. Alden and William H. Hand, Warner was well equipped to design yachts.
After the construction of his 53' ketch FELISI (represented in these papers as Design 20), Warner's practice grew steadily. While his portfolio includes some commercial fishing vessels, and work boats such as the SELDEN IV, a 65' welded steel car and passenger ferry built for the State of Connecticut to serve as a ferry on the Connecticut River, the 50' SHANG WHEELER, a research vessel, and the 6' Shipmate Jolly Boat, built entirely of molded plastic, Warner is most well known for his sleek cruising vessels with a nice shear, low or flush cabin house, and inboard rig. As a regular and popular contributor to both "Yachting" and "The Rudder," for over 30 years his designs are both singular, and easily recognizable.

Tom Gilmer is, I believe, still alive, retired from teaching at the Naval Academy. He designed many interesting boats, including Pride of Baltimore.

[johnw]

Warner and Gilmer are two different people. I don't know if either one ever designed a fin keeler. Mostly they did more traditional boats. Can you post a picture of yours?

[penduick5]

Hi again;

I'm surprized to see such quick responces!

Here is also a link for better pics;
http://www.yachting.qc.ca/puces/Phot...0603127_2a.jpg
http://www.yachting.qc.ca/puces/Phot...0603127_2b.jpg

Hope you'll get a better Idea. it is a fin keel and not a full keel. This probably discerds Warner. Too bad, my first boat was a seagull design from Warner!

Thanks

[penduick5]

Actually, a LITTLE GULL I beleive was the desing ( that's besdie the point anyway)

Hi again;

I'm surprized to see such quick responces!

Here is also a link for better pics;
http://www.yachting.qc.ca/puces/Phot...0603127_2a.jpg
http://www.yachting.qc.ca/puces/Phot...0603127_2b.jpg

Hope you'll get a better Idea. it is a fin keel and not a full keel. This probably discerds Warner. Too bad, my first boat was a seagull design from Warner!

Thanks

[donald branscom]

When i think of thomas Gilmer i always think of "Blue Moon".

[PVanderwaart]

I doubt your "Aries" is Mr. Gilmer's "Aries." No copyright on the names of constellations. Generally speaking, Gilmer's cruisers have a family resemblence that would include a fuller bowline at deck level than what I see in your picture. I would expect a hull shape more similar to the Allied Seawind (http://tinyurl.com/mp3rs). I also doubt anyone building a boat as gloriously shiny and new as yours would use a 50-year-old design.

[santone]

About 30 years ago I owned a Winthrop Warner Cutter. Built in 1935 she was mahogany over 2" white Oak frames. The inner keel was a solid 14" X14" white oak piece. Her deck was 1 1/2" teak. The galley and head were of stainless steel with monel water and fuel tanks. She was a beauty and weighed 9 tons in her 28 feet (Carvel Hull), outboard rudder and sitka spruce spar.WOW, too bad I don't still own here now that I'm retired and have the time to fuss with boats. I'm now messing with WoodPussys and own a Bob Evelyn design 24' Able Poitin (MORC) also a beauty and a fun boat to sail - looks a bit like a J24 but a bit more on the beam at 10'.

[santone]

Here's a photo of the 28' Winthrop Warner cutter describeed in the previous comment. http://mysailingworld.com/Cutter1935.jpg

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Gilmer and Warner are two quite different people.

From http://www.mysticseaport.org/Library...9/coll259.html

Biography of Winthrop L. Warner, 1900-1987
Winthrop L. Warner was a naval architect specializing in the design of wooden cruising yachts from the inception of his career in Middletown, Connecticut in 1929, until his retirement in Vero Beach, Florida. During that time Warner designed over two hundred vessels, the majority of which were built.

Including

Box Folder
18 (193) 16'6" Cat Boat

Also known as Tidbit

[Paul Pless]

Joe, you've posted some particularly good pictures of your catboat since around the Fourth of July. I'm always struck by the 16'6" loa of your boat, she seems to be much larger than that by her looks.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

She is much larger than she looks. The great thing about a cat boat is they are the roomiest boats for their size. Also she is built and handles like a MUCH LARGER boat. O'l "Wink" Warner did a nice job

[rbgarr]

Joe- Maybe you've tried this already, but if the clew of the sail is pulled out just a bit farther on the boom those diagonal wrinkles parallel to the leech might smooth out. Just m. o.

What flag are you flying from the top of the mast? Have you joined the Catboat Association. They'd love to have you as a member and see their flag fly somewhere aloft on Tidbit.

[TimH]

Anyone know anything about the Aries 32 built by CC Chen?

Looks like a good well equiped offshore cruiser:

http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/16025

[SchoonerRat]

Tom Gilmer just passed back in December. Perhaps his most notable design work was on the Pride of Baltimore. The only personal experience I have with his designs was a recent delivery I did of a Privateer 35 from San Francisco to Ventura. I was quite impressed with how the boat handled some serious weather.

[TimH]

Those Chinese builders make me real nervous.

[michigangeorge]

Anyone know anything about the Aries 32 built by CC Chen?

Looks like a good well equiped offshore cruiser:

http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/16025

I owned one for a short time. Good sailing boat, faster than one would think. Should have had a cutter rig. Terrible engine access. A nice boat for the money though.

[Paul Pless]

When i think of thomas Gilmer i always think of "Blue Moon".

I always think Pride of Baltimore II.

[TimH]

I owned one for a short time. Good sailing boat, faster than one would think. Should have had a cutter rig. Terrible engine access. A nice boat for the money though.

What about quality-wise? What year was yours?

[donald branscom]

Anyone know anything about the Aries 32 built by CC Chen?

Looks like a good well equiped offshore cruiser:

http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/16025

Beautiful boat!!

[TimH]

Beautiful boat!!

I looks good on the web page.
Says its a cutter, but it doesnt appear to be rigged as one at the moment. Maybe that dinghy interferes with the staysail.

Nice hull shape. Not sure about those picture windows in a bad storm though.

[michigangeorge]

What about quality-wise? What year was yours?

I would give her a 7 of ten for quality. Mine had teak decks as well as the all teak interior and aluminum spars. I do not remember the exact build year (it has been 12 years) but am certain it was early 1980s. I was happy with the glass work but she was just getting old enough to need work on the teak decks as well as rebedding of all the deck gear which is needed on all boats of that age. My only concern would have been those teak decks and how they were bedded. I had a leak around the fuel fill which rusted out the black iron tank which is why I sold the boat as there was no way to replace the tank without major work. The only access to the engine compartment was thru a circular hatch in the cockpit sole ( maybe 30" dia). I was too busy with other projects at the time to deal with this but would have kept the boat if it had not needed so much work. I did enjoy sailing her :-)

[TimH]

That one above has glass decks.

Its hard to tell what a boat looks like in person. In the picture she appears to have sort of a snooty bow.

[GWB]

Tim - google Bob Van Blaricom and you will find some good stories written about his travles in an Aries 32. He has many miles on his boat called "Misty"

[CundysHarbor]

Please do not think of Pride of Baltimore when you think of Tom Gilmer. That fiasco haunted him for the last years of his life. He did the design but others made the changes that proved to be her undoing. Blue Moon is a much nicer thought.
Dave

[TimH]

Tim - google Bob Van Blaricom and you will find some good stories written about his travles in an Aries 32. He has many miles on his boat called "Misty"

Thanks!

[TimH]

The only access to the engine compartment was thru a circular hatch in the cockpit sole ( maybe 30" dia).

Are you saying there was no way to get the engine out to rebuild?

This one has 1365 hours on it.

[Ian McColgin]

Just an aside for TimH and other - Chen, like most of the yards producing boats actually sold in the US, makes first class boats.

[michigangeorge]

Are you saying there was no way to get the engine out to rebuild?

This one has 1365 hours on it.

If I remember correctly there was some access thru a cockpit locker but it was very small. There is a good chance these boats were not all built the same. It was a very nice boat and you should look at one and decide for yourself.