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    How about dealing with the abuses of hetro marriage first!

    In most (all?) jurisdictions, merely viewing pictures of nude teenage girls is a serious offense. Having sex with one is at least stuatory rape! Yet, if one engages in the "sacred institution," it's all ok? YUCK!

    Kan. Lawmakers Set Minimum Marriage Age

    TOPEKA, Kan. - Kansas may have seen the last of its child brides.

    After a pregnant 14-year-old from Nebraska drove to Kansas last year to marry her 22-year-old boyfriend, now serving time for having sex with the minor, Kansas lawmakers decided it was time the set a minimum marriage age.
    On Thursday, the Kansas House vote 119-0 to approve a bill that would prohibit anyone under the age of 15 from marrying in Kansas and would set strict limits for would-be brides or grooms under the age of 18. The Senate approved it a day earlier, 36-4.
    Under the legislation, requested by Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, a 15-year-old could marry only if a district court judge decided it was in that person's best interest.
    Those who are 16 or 17 could marry if they met one of three conditions: permission from a parent or legal guardian and judicial consent; permission from both parents and any legal guardian; or permission from judge if the parents are dead and there is no legal guardian.
    Currently, Kansas has no minimum age for marriage if the minor has parental or judicial approval.
    In the case of the Nebraska girl a person must be at least 17 to marry in that state the girl's mother gave permission for the couple to get married in Kansas last spring after learning that her daughter was pregnant. The couple's daughter was born a few months later, in August.
    The groom, Matthew Koso, was charged with sexual assault and sentenced in February to 18 to 30 months in prison for impregnating the girl.
    Last month, Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue set 16 as that state's minimum marriage age after a 37-year-old woman married a 15-year-old boy, a friend of her teenage son. Lisa Lynnette Clark pleaded guilty in March to statutory rape and was sentenced to nine months in prison.
    Even 15, 16 or 17 seems too young!
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    Couple of things. The article does not seem to be about gay marriages. So be it.
    I'm gonna answer the best I can,.

    16,17,18 even 25 is too young to marry in this day and age. Heck 30 would be more like it.
    I've had 2 sisters who married young...21 and 22. Both are now divorced...ummm. One sister commented about her marriage by saying they had been too young and with time, had grown apart. The key word being "grown". My brother was married in his late twenties...after almost 40 yrs, still married.

    2) I have nothing against gay marriages. We are discussing equal benefits which I have no problem with. I suspect that some gay couples are actually better parents than non gay couples.

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    I think locking up a 22 year old man for being lovers with a 14 year old is just silly.

    I think it's good to protect our children from predators, but this isn't the right way. They were, probably, in love, and there's nothing wrong with that. How old was Priscilla when Elvis married her?

    The general issue is interesting. For the whole of human history, until recently, such unions were accepted. The age of real responsibility has gotten older and older, but the desires haven't changed. It's probably good to discourage such unions, because the people aren't old enough in our current way of raising young people. A fourteen year old today ain't as grownup as a fourteen year old was 100 years ago. But prison?

    What's this got to do with gay marraige?

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    Iah
    Right up to 100 yrs ago, life expectancy was what 50?
    Of course people married younger. It was the norm!
    Look at your own ancestors. You were an old maid by 20.

    ps.. And I have no idea the role played by gay marriages here. LOL

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    Anybody see Big Love last week on HBO?

    One of the scariest scenes I've ever witnessed on a screen.
    The angry son-in- law enters his bigamist father-in- law's home at night and is accosted and molested by the guy's 14 wives.

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    The point about gay marriages is that one ought to put one's own house in order before starting in on the neighbor's - if you have the right to do that in the first place!
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    False reasoning.

    Just because law and custom doesn't keep people from driving drunk isn't reason to rescind the law. Just because heterosexual law and custom hasn't led to perfection is no reason to embrace homosexual marraige.

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    I hear Elton John's 'marriage' is in trouble, his partner has been having sex behind his back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiletto
    I hear Elton John's 'marriage' is in trouble, his partner has been having sex behind his back.
    How do you know it ain't Elton in back?
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    Hell, I'm 28 and still looking for my prince. Seem to know a few toads though.
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    Perhaps we should let the families work the issues out.

    I have no wish to control anyone other than my wife and children. The children are too old for that now. I am getting too old to control my wife.

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    Relationships between people are problematic and complex. If no one is getting hurt, let them be.

    That said, I think that a reasonable age should be determined for sex and marriage.... When is someone able to make choices as an 'adult'.... it's a discussion for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katherine
    Hell, I'm 28 and still looking for my prince. Seem to know a few toads though.
    Pretty much across the board, it would seem that the toad:prince/princess ratio is fairly high.
    You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound. P.G. Wodehouse (Carry On, Jeeves)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey
    Pretty much across the board, it would seem that the toad:prince/princess ratio is fairly high.
    Lately, I seem to have run into some pretty big toads.
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    What's the issue, do you think, Kat? Golly, at your age it seemed the world was an oyster, and there were lots of potential couplings about.

    Are you being too fussy? I'll grant you, the world is weird these days. No one to fall in love with.

    Someone, when you least expect it, will sweep you off your feet, if you let them.

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    The problem with getting swept off your feet is that you usually land hard on your ass.
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    Katherine, a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle!

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    Well, with that attitude you might never dance. Don't be so cynical. Easy to say, but why this hard attitude? At thirty I was still so open, willing. That it hasn't worked conventionally isn't a reflection on the openness. In another life I'd be married with three kids.

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    I hate that bumper sticker, Bob. Feminist tripe. For the most part men and women do need each other.

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    Do I NEED a man, no. But I wouldn't be opposed to keeping a decent one around.
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    This attitude of "keeping" may be at the heart of the problem.

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    how about having
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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael
    At thirty I was still so open, willing. .

    and now at 50, drunk, and reclusive.
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    How about being with?

    It's not an easy issue. When was the last time you were in love?

    Oh young rose
    Softness tramelled in the bud
    How wake your sweetness now
    Save by a dream
    Wrested from the blood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncas
    Iah
    Right up to 100 yrs ago, life expectancy was what 50?
    Of course people married younger. It was the norm!
    Look at your own ancestors. You were an old maid by 20.

    ps.. And I have no idea the role played by gay marriages here. LOL
    1730 UK ...AVERAGE life expectancy in the country was 34,in the new factory towns , considerably less,possibly as low as 16 in Birmingham.This doesn't include prebaptismal death,ie less than 1 year.

    Getting married early must have seemed a very sensible course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katherine
    Do I NEED a man, no. But I wouldn't be opposed to keeping a decent one around.
    Well said....my eldest daughter just gave her husband of 8 years his marching orders,about 9 years too late from my perspective .A definite waste of space.

    My neighbours daughter DOES need a man ,its part of her self esteem (or lack thereof ) and its kind of sad the fellas she attaches herself to.I would that she had your attitude.

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    The attitude is easy, finding the decent man is hard.
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    Kat, go take a class in ballroom dancing. Don't ponder it, don't argue. Trust me.

    Barring that, there's still my marriage proposal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Cleek
    Katherine, a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle!
    A gal is more likely to get more out of a fish than a bicycle.
    If you don't think for yourself, someone else will do it for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael
    Barring that, there's still my marriage proposal.
    Katherine, I suggest Midol to counteract the emotions that must have welled up in you over Ish's proposal. It would give me cramps too! ROTFLMAO!
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    to Katherine: If you want the hansom prince...(you know the drill)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen
    to Katherine: If you want the hansom prince...(you know the drill)
    Not many hansom cabs around anymore. Not that many handsome frogs either...
    If you don't think for yourself, someone else will do it for you!

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    He doesn't even have to be handsome or a prince, just treat me like a princess.
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    What is the modern day definition of a decent man?,so i can inform my daughters just in case lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeman
    What is the modern day definition of a decent man?,so i can inform my daughters just in case lol

    to quote a Dolly Parton line from the movie "steel magnolias":

    "he washes the dishes before he pees in the sink"

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