(Recovered from internet cache, Part 1)
Posted by tirhandil (Member # 2125) on 09-28-2000, 06:02 PM:
Hallo from Turkey,
I'm seeking for the possibilities to secure the pin rails on the shrouds of my 23 ft double ender gaff cutter having a main sail of 184 sq ft.
Could I use lashing to fix rails to the shrouds and to fix pins to rails?
fair winds to all..
Posted by noquiklos (Member # 61) on 09-29-2000, 02:12 AM:
I've seen it done that way, with some success, but I don't trust it. A solution a friend of mine used when his pinrail started sliding was to shackle a turning block to one of the chainplates, where he ran his throat halyard, so the peak and throat halyards balanced the load. He had 2 headsails, so he did the same on the other shrouds.
Posted by NormMessinger (Member # 1207) on 09-29-2000, 08:51 AM:
In his book, "Riggers Apprentice" Brian Toss explains how to do this. THe shrouds are wormed, parceled and served for some distance above and below where the pin rail is to be attached which, he says, keeps the pin rail from slipping. If you'd like me to reread his instructions and give a better review, say so.
Posted by Mike Field (Member # 2239) on 09-29-2000, 08:52 AM:
See Brion Toss' bulletin board, where I've posted the URL for a drawing, and Brion has added a useful idea.
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Posted by Thad (Member # 1797) on 09-30-2000, 06:02 PM:
As Norm says, that is how Sea Harmony's are done. You do have to watch the lashing for breakage, but it is easy to replace the lashings and ours are going strong after a year. Slush or some protection for the marline would probably extend lashing life. Nice to see pinrails.
Posted by tirhandil (Member # 2125) on 10-01-2000, 04:49 PM:
Thank you all.
Thad, do you have any detailed photo of your Sea Harmony's pin rails that you may send me by e-mail?
Posted by Thad (Member # 1797) on 10-01-2000, 10:44 PM:
I can take some and send same within a few days.
Posted by tirhandil (Member # 2125) on 10-02-2000, 03:29 AM:
Thank you very much Thad. It's very kind of you. I'll be waiting...
Posted by Dave Hadfield (Member # 1583) on 10-04-2000, 07:58 AM:
I built a pin rail at the base of the mainmast of my ketch this spring. I could send you a photo, but is there enough room for one on your boat to place it there?
Posted by Ian McColgin (Member # 32) on 10-04-2000, 09:49 AM:
So, a glass of the highland's best to whomever can correctly differentiate pin rails from monkey rails from fife rails. Judgement to be concluded by arguement over at least three glasses first . . .
Posted by Dave R (Member # 957) on 10-04-2000, 10:02 AM:
Here are my guesses
PIN RAIL A rail mounted on the shrouds for belaying the riggin to.
FIFE RAIL A rail around the masts for belaying the rigging to.
MONKEY RAIL Railings constructed around the poop and sides of the main deck of a ship.
Note bothe the Pin Rail and Fife Rail would have belaying pins mounted in them. Now where's my drink?
Of course I'm not telling all you old salts anything new.
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Posted by tirhandil (Member # 2125) on 10-04-2000, 11:40 AM:
Thank you Dave Hadfield. It would be glad to see the photo of your fife (?) rail.
Let's learn which is which :-) Ian? I'm sure the highland's best tests perfect but not for me because of my non-alcoholing preferency and ignorance on the English seafearing nomanclature. What about the Dave R's unswer? correct?
Posted by Mike Field (Member # 2239) on 10-04-2000, 06:10 PM:
Yep, DaveR's correct.
Would DaveH and Thad please post their photos here as well as emailing them to Tirhandl? (Why should he have all the fun?)
And Dave, what did you do under-deck? Just bolt it to the beams/partners, or put diagonal ties to the mast, or...?
Posted by Smacksman (Member # 2103) on 10-04-2000, 06:55 PM:
Very difficult for pin rails to stay put with any great load on them. The lee rigging also goes slack so altering the halyard tension a bit. Smacks use pin rails to stow the falls and for light stuff like signal halyards. The heavy load stuff is made off to a cavil rail by the chains, (at deck level by the shrouds) either bolted through the bulwark stanchions (normal) or on spacers and bolted through the deck. Taking halyards to the sides of the boat frees up the area by the mast for ropes that need to be there like the tops'l tack downhaul and the topmast heel rope. There is a picture or two of the chains on Sallie on my smack site http://www.alberta-ck318.freeserve.co.uk on the picture page. Most smacks have masses of cleats about the place. At last count Alberta has 55 cleats at deck level for 2,300 ft. of rope not counting light stuff. Its 130 ft. just to go to the topmast and back. Much cheaper to stay with a 26 footer. HeHe.
ps. I once chartered a gullet in Marmaris and she had only 3 cleats by the mast for a gaff cutter rig! Made life difficult. She normally didn't sail much. What a fabulous country you have for sailing; Fetiye Bay (spelling) remains in my memory especially. And the Turks are some of the nicest people I've had the pleasure of meeting. [This message has been edited by Smacksman (edited 10-04-2000).]