Most YouTube creators are mental, screwing up our reality and how we see ourselves

[Joe (SoCal)]

My YouTube subscriptions in no particular order

DailyDrivenExotics
https://www.youtube.com/@DailyDrivenExotics

Doug DeMuro
https://www.youtube.com/@DougDeMuro


One Bite Pizza Reviews
https://www.youtube.com/@OneBitePizzaReviews

Philip DeFranco
https://www.youtube.com/@PhilipDeFranco


Justin Khanna
https://www.youtube.com/@justinkhanna

Nico Leonard
https://www.youtube.com/@NicoLeonard

Marques Brownlee
https://www.youtube.com/@mkbhd

Peter McKinnon
https://www.youtube.com/@PeterMcKinnon

JerryRigEverything
https://www.youtube.com/@JerryRigEverything


CaseyNeistat
https://www.youtube.com/@casey

51 Drones
https://www.youtube.com/@51Drones


Vespa Motorsport
https://www.youtube.com/@VespaMotorsport


Chef Billy Parisi
https://www.youtube.com/@ChefBillyParisi

KeepTurningLeft
https://www.youtube.com/@KeepTurningLeft

Sailing La Vagabonde
https://www.youtube.com/@SailingLaVagabonde


Unbox Therapy
https://www.youtube.com/@unboxtherapy

And finally
Ted Hoppe
https://www.youtube.com/@tedhoppe5918

[bluedog225]

No boobs

[SaltyD from BC]

If you don't want YTers screwing up your reality or whatever don't watch influencers. I watch quite a bit of YouTube; makers, woodworking, gardening, boats, old car restoration, music etc. Watching people showing off and all look at me does not turn my crank. At. All. So my feed is pretty easy to take nothing preachy lined up just some dude or gal doing something they're good at with their hands and building stuff and sharing knowledge.

[Joe (SoCal)]

Bob Trigs sent me this and I really enjoyed it

[SaltyD from BC]

Like ^

[SaltyD from BC]

yeah, but now you're hooked and your reality is gonna be manipulated. you have no control. Attachment 132753

Keep an eye on me pard. I don't want to be brainwashed and lead into the oblivion of insanity and greed you see any signs lemme know.

[David G]

There are definitely issues with monetized YouTube videos that I've noticed in the woodworking realm. I see a lot of self-taught, half-educated (or less) pontificators having channels. More interested in marketing their channel and improving the video quality (not that there's anything wrong with better quality sound and video) than in educating themselves about the topic they're going to cover (that's where the problems arise). Less than optimum techniques. There are always plenty of ways to accomplish most woodworking tasks - some good (even very good), some less good, some bad, some abysmal. Lots of the last 3 on You Tube. Sometimes with horrific safety practices recommended into the bargain.

So I mostly don't watch woodworking videos. Sometimes someone will ask me about some particular video. If I like them well enough, I'll take the time to critique the video. Or I'll actually find someone offering good advice. Always a pleasant surprise, and nice to be able to say so.

Boatbuilding videos seem to be, generally, a notch or two better... in my limited experience.

I'm not sure I see precisely what Ted is having the vapors about, though.

[SKIP KILPATRICK]

My schmidt isn't that interesting!

[SKIP KILPATRICK]

and it's too short!

[WI-Tom]

I'm not sure I see precisely what Ted is having the vapors about, though.

I think Ted is spot on with this. We are becoming a culture that is steered and shaped by invisible algorithms. And rather than being thoughtful about that, we ridicule someone who reminds us of the potential dangers, and label him as paranoid.

The success of the kind of manipulation Ted is talking about is demonstrated by the the utter inability of users to understand that it is happening to them.

Tom

[Larks]

YouTubers have created a whole new genre of entertainment. These self-produced vloggers and videographers make money sharing their lives with others. There is a consistent lifecycle that most of these creators experience though – from happiness and energy to depression and self-evaluation.


It Starts with a Fake Persona

Most YouTubers are excited full of life when they get on the screen. They create a fake persona for themselves that is an augmented version of reality. On camera, they appear lively and energetic because that is what the audience off wants to see. In time though, that fake persona becomes a heavyweight to bear. What they must do to keep it going is very difficult both on a personal level and as a small business. It is these major influencers, folks who are affecting our whole society and world for that matter. It is messing with a perception of reality far from the actual world most folks live with. Profiting from sponsorships and telling the rest of us how we are lacking in every turn. As viewers we are seduced in watching semi pornographic images of sex and marketing materialism. Each video is a business message that makes it possible.


I am reminded that psychologists tell us that porn video aren't generally the kind of sex most of us get and have damaged the way we treat each other ; why would we think that YouTubers pimping, pumping out these influencing videos aren't warping our own society loaded with marketing and materialism?


What are your thoughts?

Sounds very much like an April fools day joke...... or you’re really watching the wrong type of Youtube videos????

[skuthorp]

If you don't want YTers screwing up your reality or whatever don't watch influencers. I watch quite a bit of YouTube; makers, woodworking, gardening, boats, old car restoration, music etc. Watching people showing off and all look at me does not turn my crank. At. All. So my feed is pretty easy to take nothing preachy lined up just some dude or gal doing something they're good at with their hands and building stuff and sharing knowledge.

Me too, I am restoring heavy wheeled horse drawn vehicles at present and there is a deal of valuable information on youtube, sometimes it's in the background of something you are not looking for.

[JayInOz]

I watch a lot of farming youtubers, blacksmiths, fishermen, hunters, and a whole heap of craftspeople from all around the world. I interact with some, learn a lot from most. Doesn't affect the way I live my life or see myself. And if I'm watching youtube I'm being educated, as opposed to just sitting on my arse drinking coffee when I should be doing stuff JayInOz

[JayInOz]

Me too, I am restoring heavy wheeled horse drawn vehicles at present and there is a deal of valuable information on youtube, sometimes it's in the background of something you are not looking for.

Everything you could ever possibly need to know about the subject on the one Youtube channel- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMg...sNniRIuaax4m8Q JayInOz

[George.]

It Starts with a Fake Persona

Most film and TV actors are excited full of life when they get on the screen. They create a fake persona for themselves that is an augmented version of reality. On camera, they appear lively and energetic because that is what the audience off wants to see. In time though, that fake persona becomes a heavyweight to bear. What they must do to keep it going is very difficult both on a personal level and as a small business. It is these major influencers, folks who are affecting our whole society and world for that matter. It is messing with a perception of reality far from the actual world most folks live with. Profiting from sponsorships and telling the rest of us how we are lacking in every turn. As viewers we are seduced in watching semi pornographic images of sex and marketing materialism. Each video is a business message that makes it possible.

It has ever been thus.

[Tom Hunter]

I'm with Ted on this. We don't control what we see even when we try to. David G points this out #44 I'm assuming he wants to find good quality woodworking video but the algorithm sends him low quality stuff. If you are well versed in a topic you may be able to spot this some of the time. If you are new to a topic you have no way of knowing that you are being fed junk.

Most people underestimate how much they are being manipulated by online content. We should be afraid of this, and we should change it. The current legal framework encourages manipulation. We could change that.

Anyone saying "this does not affect me" is failing to understand. We can try to approach online content with critical thinking and self awareness and that may help but we are all affected by what we see and what the tech companies show us.

[Ted Hoppe]

I turned on my YouTube app this morning - this was a splash page; recommendations for me to view/hear. Some based on the changes from these thread forum folly; reflected by your suggestions- many are worm holes which eventually when compounded and adjusted would/will influence my perspective, interests and change me.

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[Paul Pless]

harley's eh? the algorithm doesn't know you that well. . .

[Ted Hoppe]

harley's eh? the algorithm doesn't know you that well. . .

It did cost Harley .35 cents to get that marketing to me though. I did post yesterday on the MC thread of a cool Livewire (which HD owns) Bike....

[SaltyD from BC]

In addition to checking in on channels I like I do a lot of searching on YT. I've found the most interesting and legit stuff that way vs. what their algorithm tries to tell me. I think we can all agree there's less than pure motives at play here but I find going in eyes open it can be managed and there are a lot of gems out there, and its worth the bother.
David I agree on a lot of the woodworking channels. There's a glut of how to make $1000 off a rotted out pallet et all and a lot of garbage work

[Rich Jones]

Wait... what? There are other Youtube videos besides Leo's Tally-Ho series?
Who would have thunked it?

[Paul Pless]

Wait... what? There are other Youtube videos besides Leo's Tally-Ho series?
Who would have thunked it?

you mean you haven't seen the borax wagon build?

[David G]

I think Ted is spot on with this. We are becoming a culture that is steered and shaped by invisible algorithms. And rather than being thoughtful about that, we ridicule someone who reminds us of the potential dangers, and label him as paranoid.

The success of the kind of manipulation Ted is talking about is demonstrated by the the utter inability of users to understand that it is happening to them.

Tom

Once again you quote me, then proceed to respond to things I never said. Same ol' same ol'.

What I said was... "So I mostly don't watch..." Pretty simple. No need for all the angst. Just like I look for 'honest correpondents' here, and put the dishonest ones on ignore... and like I look for honest reliable news sources and discard others... I have determined for myself that most YouTube channels are dreck, and I only watch ones that come recommended. Pretty simple.

[Yeadon]

Anytime you encounter an endless scroll scenario you should know that your best interests are not at play. YouTube shorts are crack. 10 minutes can pass in a blink.

[Joe (SoCal)]

I doom scroll instagram ONLY when I'm on the throne I know better than to ever get on ticktock that would be the equivalent as to smoking jusssssst a little meth.

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

[Keith Wilson]

About the only only thing I do with YouTube is listen to music while I'm at work, drawing pictures on the computer. The algorithm's suggestions of things similar to those I like are sometimes excellent; I discovered David Francey, and Ninebarrow, and a bunch of other good stuff I might never have heard of.

[Joe (SoCal)]

For me I use it for a place to store my home movies and to learn and amuse myself between streaming programs. We really don't watch traditional tV Much and my smart TV will stream YouTube

[JimD]

Another 'whole new genre' for me to ignore. I don't even have time to keep up with this place. Like I'm going to waste the precious moments of what's left of my life watching some guy on youtube waste the precious moments of their life.

[Yeadon]

[WI-Tom]

Once again you quote me, then proceed to respond to things I never said. Same ol' same ol'.

What I said was... "So I mostly don't watch..." Pretty simple. No need for all the angst.

Actually, what you said was:

I'm not sure I see precisely what Ted is having the vapors about, though.

Which I understood to mean that you don't understand why Ted thinks this a big problem. I responded by disagreeing with you, and agreeing with Ted:

I think Ted is spot on with this. We are becoming a culture that is steered and shaped by invisible algorithms. And rather than being thoughtful about that, we ridicule someone who reminds us of the potential dangers, and label him as paranoid.

The success of the kind of manipulation Ted is talking about is demonstrated by the the utter inability of users to understand that it is happening to them.

So, I'm responding precisely to what you said. I'm baffled that you apparently can't understand that. Not for the first time, either. I think we're on different wavelengths, for all that we agree on values to a great extent. It's utterly confusing to me. But, there it is.

Tom

[WI-Tom]

Ninebarrow, and a bunch of other good stuff I might never have heard of.

Thanks for the link, Keith--good stuff!

Tom

[David G]

Actually, what you said was:



Which I understood to mean that you don't understand why Ted thinks this a big problem. I responded by saying disagreeing with you, and agreeing with Ted:


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So, I'm responding precisely to what you said. I'm baffled that you apparently can't understand that. Not for the first time, either. I think we're on different wavelengths, for all that we agree on values to a great extent. It's utterly confusing to me. But, there it is.

Tom

I was saying there was a simple solution. I named it. And I stated that it seemed an easy solution, so didn't see the need for the drama. The world is moving the way it's moving. I may or may not like it, but - in this case - I don't have to participate in that trend. Neither do you or Ted. Agitation averted.

Or, to put it another way, haven't we got some issues to address that are both more consequential and more urgent?

[Paul Pless]

. . .haven't we got some issues to address that are both more consequential and more urgent?

over-hopped craft beer for one

[Geftb]

If you watch a vid out of interest that turns out didnt interest you and now recommendations are clogging your feed. Simply go into history and delete it. That will clear the feed.