AI-what’s the deal?

[bluedog225]

I don’t get it. What’s the big deal? Please explain it like I’m five years old.

My jeep won’t work without microchips. I get it. But we can build a car that doesn’t need micro chips. No problem.

What’s an AI going to do that’s gonna be an issue for us? I turn the lights on and off at my house with a switch. I don’t need AI. I don’t need smart devices. I eat, I sleep, I poop, and I bitch about stuff. How is AI going to change that?

if we give it control over what cancer treatment I receive, or how to run the electric grid, it might make decisions I don’t like. But that’s pretty simple to avoid. Don’t give it control over those decisions.

Why all the hyperbole? Just good news fodder?

[mizzenman]

Nothing of what you read in the bilge is real, it has been generated by a machine. And shaped you perception of the world

[Landrith]

I was experimenting with ChatGPT which supposedly has a database of the Internet up to 3 or 4 years ago. I was playing with it on obscure sail powered coastal fishing craft and of course it was incomparable to using Woodenboat Forum, (albeit with Google's search engine not this site's organic search engine ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChatGPT People here over the years give much better answers and often in a competitive way that provides more insight to an answer than say Wikipedia would.

[CWSmith]

AI is good at pattern recognition as a means of problem solving. It's what the human brain does that computers have not done before.

[skuthorp]

AI? Its more reliable than importing a range of a bulls and much cheaper...

[Breakaway]

Watch this clip from, The Terminator.
It explains everything.
( Start at 00:59)



Kevin

[LeeG]

I don’t get it. What’s the big deal? Please explain it like I’m five years old.

My jeep won’t work without microchips. I get it. But we can build a car that doesn’t need micro chips. No problem.

What’s an AI going to do that’s gonna be an issue for us? I turn the lights on and off at my house with a switch. I don’t need AI. I don’t need smart devices. I eat, I sleep, I poop, and I bitch about stuff. How is AI going to change that?

if we give it control over what cancer treatment I receive, or how to run the electric grid, it might make decisions I don’t like. But that’s pretty simple to avoid. Don’t give it control over those decisions.

Why all the hyperbole? Just good news fodder?

I guess it’s like a 3D printer with words. I made that up.

[LeeG]

Watch this clip from, The Terminator.
It explains everything.
( Start at 00:59)



Kevin

What an excellent movie.

[AndyG]

I don’t get it. What’s the big deal? Please explain it like I’m five years old.

Ok.

1/ Ages ago, if you wanted to know anything, you'd join a guild (go to university) and serve an apprenticeship (pick up a doctorate) and be taught stuff. Years pass before you get any good.
2/ With the internet, you'd search online, and find a useful video or an essential spare part you can order/could follow the instructions for, and fix stuff for yourself. Minutes pass.
3/ With 3d printers, and a bit of knowledge (re #2) you can make your own stuff.
4/ AI turns up. You don't need to know anything. Just be expected to have an opinion. You can spend your years watching Fox, etc., and bolster your views by tuning in to the appropriate Social Media sources that support your chosen biases. No time required at all. But you're now a dead end. AI arrives and ultimately takes over the planet, society, interaction, and humanity.
5/ You go extinct. Because AI will ultimately be better at stuff than you'll ever possibly be.

Andy

[SKIP KILPATRICK]

The deep fakes are going to make life interesting. And not likely in a good way!

[LeeG]

Ok.

1/ Ages ago, if you wanted to know anything, you'd join a guild (go to university) and serve an apprenticeship (pick up a doctorate) and be taught stuff. Years pass before you get any good.
2/ With the internet, you'd search online, and find a useful video or an essential spare part you can order/could follow the instructions for, and fix stuff for yourself. Minutes pass.
3/ With 3d printers, and a bit of knowledge (re #2) you can make your own stuff.
4/ AI turns up. You don't need to know anything. Just be expected to have an opinion. You can spend your years watching Fox, etc., and bolster your views by tuning in to the appropriate Social Media sources that support your chosen biases. No time required at all. But you're now a dead end. AI arrives and ultimately takes over the planet, society, interaction, and humanity.
5/ You go extinct. Because AI will ultimately be better at stuff than you'll ever possibly be.

Andy

I suppose there are people better than me at sitting in the shade. I could handle it if an AI was better at that too.

[Landrith]

Ok.

1/ Ages ago, if you wanted to know anything, you'd join a guild (go to university) and serve an apprenticeship (pick up a doctorate) and be taught stuff. Years pass before you get any good.
2/ With the internet, you'd search online, and find a useful video or an essential spare part you can order/could follow the instructions for, and fix stuff for yourself. Minutes pass.
3/ With 3d printers, and a bit of knowledge (re #2) you can make your own stuff.
4/ AI turns up. You don't need to know anything. Just be expected to have an opinion. You can spend your years watching Fox, etc., and bolster your views by tuning in to the appropriate Social Media sources that support your chosen biases. No time required at all. But you're now a dead end. AI arrives and ultimately takes over the planet, society, interaction, and humanity.
5/ You go extinct. Because AI will ultimately be better at stuff than you'll ever possibly be.

Andy

Part 5 is the problem. Our social engineers and university professors worshiping machine replacement have zero experience maintaining complex machinery. It breaks down in unforeseeable ways. Sure AI could model and predict the failures better than human minds, but like the wooden fishing boat knowledge test I tried, the models used by AI are an over simplification, incomplete data set, or abstraction of reality, so the AI predictions or solutions will increase in error.

If successful in their goals, the singularity people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity will suffer an eventual ending of their consciousness and the extinction of technology.

[Paul Pless]

landrith. . .

i love you, man

now, please stop bogarting the bong and pass it this way

[AndyG]

...incomplete data set...

Ha. Aha. Ha ha. Lolz. Etc.

4.2 million academic papers were published in English in (the latest data I could quickly find) 2020.

Who's going to read/refer to them. Human or AI?

Andy, and we're outsourced.

[LeeG]

landrith. . .

i love you, man

now, please stop bogarting the bong and pass it this way

One hit stuff can be dangerous w low blood sugar.

[ShorelineJohn]

You think AI is not "reading" (loosely defined) Wooden Boat? Or your posts. There is a file......

[LeeG]

stored in a hologram of q-bits

[bluedog225]

Just not impressed. The internet is (was) a library. And a petty line. Now it’s a big grotesque advertisement.

Cake decorators were 3D printing over 100 years ago.

Not feeling the “ we’re all gonna die” bit.

[LeeG]

That’s good. We’re gonna die anyway, can only live so long.

[Dave Gray]

EM Forster

https://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/~koehl/Te...hine_stops.pdf

[Jimmy W]

More than 1,100 signatories, including Elon Musk, Steve Wozniak, and Tristan Harris of the Center for Humane Technology, have signed an open letter that was posted online Tuesday evening that calls on “all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4.”

The letter reads:

Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter

AI systems with human-competitive intelligence can pose profound risks to society and humanity, as shown by extensive research[1] and acknowledged by top AI labs.[2] As stated in the widely-endorsed Asilomar AI Principles, Advanced AI could represent a profound change in the history of life on Earth, and should be planned for and managed with commensurate care and resources. Unfortunately, this level of planning and management is not happening, even though recent months have seen AI labs locked in an out-of-control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful digital minds that no one – not even their creators – can understand, predict, or reliably control.

Contemporary AI systems are now becoming human-competitive at general tasks,[3] and we must ask ourselves: Should we let machines flood our information channels with propaganda and untruth? Should we automate away all the jobs, including the fulfilling ones? Should we develop nonhuman minds that might eventually outnumber, outsmart, obsolete and replace us? Should we risk loss of control of our civilization? Such decisions must not be delegated to unelected tech leaders. Powerful AI systems should be developed only once we are confident that their effects will be positive and their risks will be manageable. This confidence must be well justified and increase with the magnitude of a system's potential effects. OpenAI's recent statement regarding artificial general intelligence, states that "At some point, it may be important to get independent review before starting to train future systems, and for the most advanced efforts to agree to limit the rate of growth of compute used for creating new models." We agree. That point is now.

Therefore, we call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4. This pause should be public and verifiable, and include all key actors. If such a pause cannot be enacted quickly, governments should step in and institute a moratorium.

AI labs and independent experts should use this pause to jointly develop and implement a set of shared safety protocols for advanced AI design and development that are rigorously audited and overseen by independent outside experts. These protocols should ensure that systems adhering to them are safe beyond a reasonable doubt.[4] This does not mean a pause on AI development in general, merely a stepping back from the dangerous race to ever-larger unpredictable black-box models with emergent capabilities.

AI research and development should be refocused on making today's powerful, state-of-the-art systems more accurate, safe, interpretable, transparent, robust, aligned, trustworthy, and loyal.

In parallel, AI developers must work with policymakers to dramatically accelerate development of robust AI governance systems. These should at a minimum include: new and capable regulatory authorities dedicated to AI; oversight and tracking of highly capable AI systems and large pools of computational capability; provenance and watermarking systems to help distinguish real from synthetic and to track model leaks; a robust auditing and certification ecosystem; liability for AI-caused harm; robust public funding for technical AI safety research; and well-resourced institutions for coping with the dramatic economic and political disruptions (especially to democracy) that AI will cause.

Humanity can enjoy a flourishing future with AI. Having succeeded in creating powerful AI systems, we can now enjoy an "AI summer" in which we reap the rewards, engineer these systems for the clear benefit of all, and give society a chance to adapt. Society has hit pause on other technologies with potentially catastrophic effects on society.[5] We can do so here. Let's enjoy a long AI summer, not rush unprepared into a fall.

[C. Ross]

Hundreds of million (a billion?) people have jobs to produce general content that isn’t novel or complex. They’ll get it, soon enough.

[skuthorp]

Part 5 is the problem. Our social engineers and university professors worshiping machine replacement have zero experience maintaining complex machinery. It breaks down in unforeseeable ways. Sure AI could model and predict the failures better than human minds, but like the wooden fishing boat knowledge test I tried, the models used by AI are an over simplification, incomplete data set, or abstraction of reality, so the AI predictions or solutions will increase in error.

If successful in their goals, the singularity people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity will suffer an eventual ending of their consciousness and the extinction of technology.

I'm afraid Jimmy that humans are no capable of that amount of self discipline or self awareness. The lure of money and short term celebrity will overwhelm any cautious voices.
A different kind of 'not with a bang but with a whimper'

AI will learn, be logical, and not be dumbed down by prejudice or religion.
It will decide eventually that humans are too dangerous to be allowed to exist in its world.

[LeeG]

Well thatwas timely Jimmy

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

The panic is the revelation of Luddite tendencies in desk jockeys.