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    Default Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    I'm seeing this on several sources, but not the big ones (like AP and such).

    When you read this, contemplate the precedent that states can nullify federal laws and see where that leads you.

    KY Bill Nullifying Federal Gun Laws Heads to Governor’s Desk

    A bill to make it more difficult for local police to enforce federal gun laws and in some cases criminally penalize them, now heads to Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear's desk.

    Kentucky lawmakers have secured enough votes to override a veto of House Bill 153, which bans state and local law enforcement and other public officials from enforcing federal firearms regulations enacted after Jan. 1, 2021.

    Cathy Hobart, a volunteer for Kentucky Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, said she is concerned the measure could hamper efforts to protect communities from rising levels of gun violence.

    "What we know is that the more guns that are in circulation, the more likely they are to be stolen, the more likely they are to get into the hands of people that have no business having those guns like children and criminals," Hobart pointed out.

    According to Mental Health America, 85% of suicide attempts with a firearm result in death. More than 800 Kentuckians died by suicide in 2020, and 65% involved a firearm.

    Kentuckians in crisis can call 988 24 hours a day, seven days a week to speak with suicide prevention and mental health counselors.

    Hobart added it is not up to states to decide which federal laws they are going to enforce. She also pointed out the legislation's vague wording could create confusion among police officers.

    "It makes it difficult for law enforcement to know which laws to enforce," Hobart contended. "That will lead to confusion, we think it will lead to more gun crime in the long run."

    Supporters of the bill argue the federal government, not the state of Kentucky, is responsible for enforcing its own gun laws. Last week President Biden signed an executive order strengthening background check requirements for firearms dealers.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ky...5ec0334d&ei=51

    Here is what another sources says:

    Kentucky Senate passes bill to make commonwealth 'Second Amendment Sanctuary State'

    The bill would nullify the enforcement of any federal firearm ban. This is the second attempt at passing such legislation for Kentucky lawmakers.

    LOUISVILLE, Ky. — A bill that would make Kentucky a “Second Amendment Sanctuary State” has passed the Senate.

    The bill would nullify the enforcement of any federal firearm ban.

    This is the second attempt at passing such legislation for Kentucky lawmakers.

    Wednesday, some brought up concerns that the bill would limit law enforcement’s ability to do their jobs.

    “What this would mean, if there is an FBI agent, a DEA agent, and they’re going after a bad guy and they have charges based on a Federal Firearms ban. [Police] will not be able to go assist that federal agent,” Republican Sen. Danny Carroll said.

    However, supporters said the bill is necessary to prevent overreach by the federal government.

    “Right now, we have a President in the Oval Office who is executive order happy. And he just recently issued another executive order to enforce more strict gun laws,” Republican Sen. Lindsey Tichenor said.

    President Joe Biden recently signed an executive order on gun control in an attempt to stiffen background checks to buy guns, promote more secure firearm storage and ensure law enforcement agencies get more out of the bipartisan gun law enacted in 2022.

    The bill now heads to Gov. Andy Beshear’s desk.

    An identical bill was passed in Missouri; however, a court recently struck that bill down and called it unconstitutional.

    Missouri’s Attorney General Andrew Bailey said he is planning an appeal of that ruling.
    https://www.whas11.com/article/news/...a-3dd26c6f0c48
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    Default Re: Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    Meh! Virginia can out crazy its Western offspring.

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    Default Re: Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    I don't see the text above as saying nullify, I see it as saying that locals don't need to help enforce fed laws. Basically if da feds are going to mandate background checks et al, then let the feds do the background checking et al.

    It reminds me of a few years ago when local jurisdictions and states were saying it's not part of their job to help ICE track and round up folks without proper papers. They/we passed laws saying that our locals were not to participate in ICE actions and not to share info with ICE. I think we also created penalties for local cops who did help ICE; it sounds pretty similar.
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    Default Re: Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    Quote Originally Posted by SKIP KILPATRICK View Post
    Meh! Virginia can out crazy its Western offspring.
    Well, maybe, but Ohio has y'all beat on corruption and abolishing public health.

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    Default Re: Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    Haven't states already been doing that for years regarding federal laws on marijuana and immigration?

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    Default Re: Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    My contention that the acronym "USA" is becoming redundant seems to be coming about.

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    Default Re: Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    Haven't states already been doing that for years regarding federal laws on marijuana and immigration?
    a very good point david
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    Default Re: Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    Haven't states already been doing that for years regarding federal laws on marijuana and immigration?
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    a very good point david
    It is, and that brings into focus the question of values. For me, the changing marijuana laws just make sense and the federal government will catch up when the GOP loses it as a wedge issue. It's the direction our society is going. Immigration is an excellent example of how this kind of law becomes damaging and divisive to society. The immigration problems are NOT being solved by the states rejecting federal laws and the gun law rejections will result in greater conflict between the local and federal authorities. None of that is good and it points to a trend that we can expect to continue (abortion, education, civil rights, etc.).
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    Default Re: Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    My contention that the acronym "USA" is becoming redundant seems to be coming about.
    Not redundant - unless you have other words to go with the acronym? Or do you mean "redundant" as in "you weren't fired, you were made redundant"?

    I would say the acronym is now just inapplicable. Maybe DSA would work better? As in Disunited?

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    Default Re: Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    I used 'Dis-united States' for a while………..
    I meant redundant as 'no longer applies'.

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    Default Re: Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    Children and criminals have no business owning guns?????
    since when ? when did that start? Pfffft … silly lady

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    Default Re: Kentucky gun law would nullify federal laws

    States rights? Been there before.

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