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    We learned nothing, although we've all learned about, from Prohibition. We know it didn't work. Bad guys got rich. We spent lots of tax dollars trying to enforce unenforceable laws, and people died drinking booze the gov. have no control of, quality wise.

    We're repeating the mistakes of prohibition with drugs.

    Now we're going to do it again with abortion pills.
    "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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    Indeed.

    If people can smuggle cocaine & heroin into the USA by the truckload (and into prisons), smuggling pills into the USA ought to be a piece of cake.
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    This coming debacle will be called The War on Women

    Note that the other wars on society were also backed by religious zealots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    This coming debacle will be called The War on Women

    Note that the other wars on society were also backed by religious zealots
    Yet, women will vote GOP. Go figure.

    Meanwhile, the party that PREACHES smaller government and less regulations is putting the government in women's bodies, into schools to alter subjects and ban books, supports George Soros, and appears to want more regulations everywhere except guns.
    "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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    Americans just love to legislate morals. We do not believe either in "mind your own business" or in "live and let live." If we cannot convince others to live according to our own lights we attempt to use politics to force others to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    We learned nothing, although we've all learned about, from Prohibition. We know it didn't work. Bad guys got rich. We spent lots of tax dollars trying to enforce unenforceable laws, and people died drinking booze the gov. have no control of, quality wise.

    We're repeating the mistakes of prohibition with drugs.

    Now we're going to do it again with abortion pills.
    Does that same perspective apply to outlawing guns?

    I actually agree with you on your premise, but I don't think it should be selectively applied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatbum View Post
    Does that same perspective apply to outlawing guns?

    I actually agree with you on your premise, but I don't think it should be selectively applied.
    What are guns designed to do? We have laws about driving cars; one needs a license and insurance to legally drive. Cars are designed to transport people, but in the case of accidents might injure or kill. Guns ARE DESGINED TO KILL. They should be regulated AT LEAST as much as cars. No?
    "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    Now we're going to do it again with abortion pills.
    I think that enough states will still allow them that a supply of properly manufactured, "safe" pills will be available on the black market. I doubt we'll see the underground manufacturing that only makes illegal drugs more dangerous.

    That said, we will be turning normal citizens into criminals and I see no value in that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    I think that enough states will still allow them. . .
    you haven't been following the case brought before a federal judge in texas?

    when declares the pills illegal in his court room in texas, they will be illegal nationwide
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    you haven't been following the case brought before a federal judge in texas?

    when declares the pills illegal in his court room in texas, they will be illegal nationwide
    Actually, I do remember that now. It's nuts and the SCOTUS is a wild card.

    I've actually started hoping for secession. I can't deal with the crazies any longer.
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    The worldview of 'The Handmaid's Tale' is developing and being implemented faster than we want to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    What are guns designed to do? We have laws about driving cars; one needs a license and insurance to legally drive. Cars are designed to transport people, but in the case of accidents might injure or kill. Guns ARE DESGINED TO KILL. They should be regulated AT LEAST as much as cars. No?
    This is such a tired old argument that has no basis in fact. There is no constitutional amendment, or SCOTUS decision, that says your right to drive a car shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryLL View Post
    This is such a tired old argument that has no basis in fact. There is no constitutional amendment, or SCOTUS decision, that says your right to drive a car shall not be infringed.
    Constitution doesn't say your right to fire a gun cannot be infringed. It does say something about a well regulated militia (regulated by the government that arms, trains, and calls it up) does it not?

    Constitution says no more about owning guns than it says about owning cars. Nothing it it prevents the owning of either or the government from regulating the owning of either.
    "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    Constitution doesn't say your right to fire a gun cannot be infringed. It does say something about a well regulated militia (regulated by the government that arms, trains, and calls it up) does it not?

    Constitution says no more about owning guns than it says about owning cars. Nothing it it prevents the owning of either or the government from regulating the owning of either.
    Didn't we just have this discussion over on the militia thread? I will agree with you that the government does have the right and duty to regulate the owning of both guns and cars, which it does. Gun ownership is regulated through the NFA, since 1934. SCOTUS has recently ruled that certain gun regulations are permissible, while others are not.

    Pless said it best when he wrote that the Second Amendment means whatever SCOTUS says it means. Your opinion and my opinion means nada.

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    Indeed, machine guns are banned and many laws regulate hunting guns and ammunition -- no lead shot, limitations on magazines to a three shot magazine, limits on hunting seasons, etc. Why not a license requirement predicated on passing a test on aplicable laws; why not registrations of guns (well-regulated militia) as we must register cars; and why not an insurance requirement for each gun owned, as we require insurance of autos?

    If we can ban machine guns, why can't we otherwise regulate other guns?

    None of this would eliminate gun accidents and misuse, of course, just as none of the driving and auto regulations eliminate auto accidents and misuse. But it shure as shootin' would lessen the damage and mahem and simple accidents that involve guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nolan View Post
    ...why not registrations of guns (well-regulated militia) as we must register cars...
    On that one point:

    Subsection 103(i) of the Brady Act prohibits the establishment of a registration system of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions with any records generated by NICS, except for records on persons found ineligible to receive or possess firearms.

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    This thread intended to present laws against abortion pills as being as good an idea as Prohibition was and laws against drugs are.

    We make certain things illegal, but don't make them go away. We lose control of the quality. People died drinking homemade hooch. I've read several time that 'overdoses' are deaths by 'bad' drugs.

    We don't collect taxes from illegal substances. We spend a fortune of tax dollars enforcing laws that don't work all that well.

    Making the abortion pills illegal will simply create a black market. Bad guys will make money. Some women will die because we have no control over the quality of the medication.
    "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryLL View Post
    On that one point:

    Subsection 103(i) of the Brady Act prohibits the establishment of a registration system of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions with any records generated by NICS, except for records on persons found ineligible to receive or possess firearms.
    Why not repeal that section of the Brady act? The fact tht it was written indicates that what was prohibited alternatively also be allowed, or even mandated, without violating the Constitution. Congress clearly felt it had the power to act in those regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    The worldview of 'The Handmaid's Tale' is developing and being implemented faster than we want to think.
    Australia relying on America for future security may very soon turn to manure whilst it manages it's own internal security.…. But grabbing what tech we can whilst it's still available maybe a good idea.
    BTW we have 6 diesel/electric subs on our order of battle so I just heard. None have an apointed CO, probably could not be crewed from the present navy, and probably only 1 or 2 are in a condition to actually put to sea right now.
    As for the abortion pill a catholic pm tried that here and got little support, even from his fellow religious followers. Aus is increasingly becoming a secular country over all, with groupings of the excessively religious, dodgy American imports, and the religions of migrant groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryLL View Post
    On that one point:

    Subsection 103(i) of the Brady Act prohibits the establishment of a registration system of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions with any records generated by NICS, except for records on persons found ineligible to receive or possess firearms.
    Telling someone they can't have gun after they have committed a crime with a gun is a bit pointless don't you think?
    without freedom of speech, we wouldn't know who the idiots are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Telling someone they can't have gun after they have committed a crime with a gun is a bit pointless don't you think?
    The NICS background check is used to identify persons who are disqualified from owning a firearm, for any number of reasons. Domestic abuse, mental illness, previous felony convictions, to name a few.

    The system has a few major loopholes, as it only tracks firearms purchased through federally licensed firearms dealers. If you wish to buy a gun in the US, there are many ways to obtain one without going through a NICS background check.

    So, yes. The law is a bit pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nolan View Post
    Why not repeal that section of the Brady act?...
    What would be the purpose of national firearm registration? Who would oversee it? How would it be used?

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ga...ctims-pictures

    and a other casualties of the war still to come…….

    How would it be used? Those against are scared that it would be used as it should be used. And consequently accept the above link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ga...ctims-pictures

    and a other casualties of the war still to come…….

    How would it be used? Those against are scared that it would be used as it should be used. And consequently accept the above link.
    National firearm registration would not have prevented that tragedy. The weapons were legally purchased by the mother, who made them accessible to her deranged son. And no, I don't accept the events in your link. What rational person would?

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    This was not intended to be a 'gun' thread. There's been plenty of those.

    I'm simply making what I think is a valid prediction. Women will get pills on the black market to end an unwanted pregnancy. These pills will NOT have been subject to any government control of quality. Just like home made booze during prohibition, and like some of the illegal drugs are not quality controlled and may be lethal, some of the pills women get illegally from black market sources may be lethal.
    "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    This was not intended to be a 'gun' thread. There's been plenty of those.

    I'm simply making what I think is a valid prediction. Women will get pills on the black market to end an unwanted pregnancy. These pills will NOT have been subject to any government control of quality. Just like home made booze during prohibition, and like some of the illegal drugs are not quality controlled and may be lethal, some of the pills women get illegally from black market sources may be lethal.
    Sorry, John, for hijacking your thread there for awhile.

    Your points are well taken regarding abortion meds. Unwanted pregnancies will continue to be terminated, often putting the woman at risk.

    The ultra-conservative pro-life position on abortion meds is completely wrong-headed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryLL View Post
    Sorry, John, for hijacking your thread there for awhile.

    Your points are well taken regarding abortion meds. Unwanted pregnancies will continue to be terminated, often putting the woman at risk.

    The ultra-conservative pro-life position on abortion meds is completely wrong-headed.
    Seems we never learn.
    "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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