Was Jesus “woke”?

[leikec]

Hmmmm…

Discuss.

Jeff C

[ron ll]

Yeah, and the Romans bitched about it. Some things never change.

[leikec]

Yeah, and the Romans bitched about it. Some things never change.

True.

Jeff C

[bluedog225]

If the shoe fits.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36

And a man's foes shall be
they of his own household.

[Hallam]

If the shoe fits.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36

And a man's foes shall be
they of his own household.

Bluey, you have not made any clear point by posting those quotes. Any interpretation is open to not getting the point you are trying to make. If it to be interpreted as Jesus coming to create disagreement and conflict therefore Jesus isn't as woke as the woke would like him to be?

Usually any biblical quote used, in isolation from its original context, to make a point is an indication that the person using the quotes has a position that the bible quote legitimises. However the problem with this is that the meaning is to be understood in context to the character and attributes of Jesus as developed in the many stories and 'other books contained in the collection referred to as the bible.
Therefore the conflict referred to in the verse you quote is to my thinking more along the lines of in the 2nd example a natural and logical consequence of one individual following the character and priorities of Jesus and the other in the family not following. It doesn't refer to Jesus having an anti woke agenda of intentionally creating confrontation.

The surrounding passage is a clarification of the priorities Jesus is communicating to his followers. The passage overall is communicating' put Jesus first, before jour mother father. If you put them first it's not going to cut it. If conflict arises by putting Jesus first then so be it.
So looking at the issue of wokeness........if Jesus is woke and this wokeness causes conflict because others get pissed off...so be it.

My reading of Jesus is in some areas he is woke and in others he is not so woke. That being said i find the term woke not very clearly defined. It's more of a word for weaponising us and them simplistic 'pigeon hole defining of the other'.

[Jim Bow]

You have yet to define “woke”.

[bluedog225]

Hallam-That is a very thoughtful reply. Thank you.

[Paul Pless]

That being said i find the term woke not very clearly defined. It's more of a word for weaponising us and them simplistic 'pigeon hole defining of the other'.

its not that hard, in its simplest terms

woke: be aware of prejudice (especially racial and historical and institutional prejudice)

[Hallam]

No worries Tom.

Another song comes to mind from one of my favourites. The legend.......

[bluedog225]

self-aware and questioning the ‘dominant’ paradigm

sounds like the big J

[AndyG]

You have yet to define “woke”.

He has yet to prove a Jesus.

[Jimmy W]

Willie Dixon - Weak Brain And A Narrow Mind

[Paul Pless]

He has yet to prove a Jesus.

o dear lord

[Jim Bow]

He has yet to prove a Jesus.

Jesus is just alright with me.

[Osborne Russell]

So simple as to mean almost nothing. Many bigots are indeed aware of prejudice, deliberately and consciously -- are they woke? Many others are simply in denial. That one is woke doesn't "wake" them.

Here's the acid test: can one be both woke and opposed to CRT? By your definition, the answer would have to be yes.

Now to see if anyone has the honesty to say it, or deny it.

[Paul Pless]

define crt

[Beowolf]

I know it when I see those little green letters on the screen.

[David G]

No worries Tom.

Another song comes to mind from one of my favourites. The legend.......

Woke isn't hard. If you run with something like the following, you'll be fine: To be "woke" politically in the Black community means that someone is informed, educated and conscious of social injustice and racial inequality,

Serve Somebody. Apropos. And maybe my favorite Dylan song. Just not when he sings it...

[TomF]

He told a pretty good story about how people need to stay awake if they're going to get into the wedding banquet. Apparently woke is wise. Even for oily virgins.

Let those who have ears, hear.

[John Smith]

You have yet to define “woke”.

My definition: Wanting to help others. Encourage youngsters to read. Allow individuals to be themselves as long as doing so harms no one else. Treat all people as equal, regardless of skin color or place of birth. And maybe other horrible things.

[leikec]

So simple as to mean almost nothing. Many bigots are indeed aware of prejudice, deliberately and consciously -- are they woke? Many others are simply in denial. That one is woke doesn't "wake" them.

Here's the acid test: can one be both woke and opposed to CRT? By your definition, the answer would have to be yes.

Now to see if anyone has the honesty to say it, or deny it.

Wakey-wakey…

Jeff C

[skuthorp]

People deny facts for a preference for prejudice all the time
As I say, humans are like that.

[George.]

I don't know. Jesus was pretty intolerant with people of other religions. He also did a lot of hate speech directed at certain professions.

[hawkeye54]

My definition: Wanting to help others. Encourage youngsters to read. Allow individuals to be themselves as long as doing so harms no one else. Treat all people as equal, regardless of skin color or place of birth. And maybe other horrible things.

Excellent definition, John - I have tried to keep something similar in mind as a 'compass / guidepost' over the last 50 or so years - good to see it in print




Rick

[WX]

[skuthorp]

I don't know. Jesus was pretty intolerant with people of other religions. He also did a lot of hate speech directed at certain professions.

Man of his times, man of all times it seems………………….

Humans are like that.

[MushCreek]

Well, according to my Bible, we was woke after three days.

As a child, I was brought up to be color blind. People were just people; we really didn't treat anyone different because of their race, nationality, creed, etc. But I also wasn't aware of the struggles that people of other races and cultures went through. In our small CT town, we were insulated from that, at least until the civil rights movement became widely known. I wouldn't consider my childhood me to be woke. After moving to the south, and having open discussions with friends and neighbors about what they went through, I get it now, at least as much as someone of my background can understand.

I would say Jesus was woke. He befriended some of the dregs of society in His day- tax collectors, prostitutes, lepers, etc. It would be very difficult to be Christ-like today, even for the most 'woke' among us.

[skuthorp]

He'd get shot in America. Far too dangerous to allow to live.

[George.]

For being a radical middle eastern preacher?

Or for being a communist?

[Nicholas Scheuer]

Yes, but Jesus as so much more than just woke.

[Tom Montgomery]

I don't know. Jesus was pretty intolerant with people of other religions. He also did a lot of hate speech directed at certain professions.

Oh I don't know about all that. What I do know is that Jews at the time despised the Samaritans. The Jews called them "half-breeds" and sent them home. The Samaritans built their own temple which the Jews considered pagan (despite the Samaritans being Abrahamic monotheist). The feud grew and, by the time of Jesus, the Jews hated the Samaritans so much they crossed the Jordan river rather than travel. When Jesus entered a Samaritan village, he was not welcomed, because he was going on to Jerusalem (There was enmity between the Jews and their temple in Jerusalem and Samaritans and their temple on Mount Gerizim.... Luke 9:51-56). Yet despite this enmity between the two ethnic groups, Jesus made a Samaritan the hero of one of his parables (Luke 10:25-37). I'd say Jesus was pretty "woke" for the time.

[George.]

Samaritans? Jesus condemned everyone who didn't share his faith to everlasting hell.

[Ted Hoppe]

Jesus prove to me...

[TomF]

Samaritans? Jesus condemned everyone who didn't share his faith to everlasting hell.

So he healed a Roman Centurion's son (story's in Luke 7 and Matthew 8), and only later to presumably condemn the Centurion and his healed son to everlasting hell?

Could it be, George, that you're mistaken in your premise?

[George.]

Am I? Did Jesus not say several times that anyone who didn't follow his way would be gnashing their teeth for eternity?

That he then contradicted himself is part of the act, isn't it?