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    These people are run amok. I have said elsewhere that I have issues with people declaring themselves transgender, but retaining their original genitals, who use restrooms assigned to their claimed gender. However, this goes after people who have had themselves surgically altered and that can only be explained at punitive.

    From The Associated Press:

    Arkansas Senate OKs bathroom bill that critics call extreme

    LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — A bill that would criminalize transgender people using restrooms that match their gender identity won initial approval in the Arkansas Legislature on Tuesday, introducing a restriction critics said would be the most extreme in the country.

    The bill approved by the majority-Republican Senate on a 19-7 vote would allow someone to be charged with misdemeanor sexual indecency with a child if they use a public restroom or changing room of the opposite sex when a minor is present. The bill now heads to the majority-GOP House.

    The legislation goes even further than a North Carolina bathroom law that was enacted in 2016 and later repealed following widespread boycotts and protests. That law did not include any criminal penalties.

    "What this is is an attack on the continued existence in public of transgender people, and the criminalization of being transgender in public," said Cathryn Oakley, state legislative director and senior counsel at the Human Rights Campaign.

    The bill comes amidst a flood of bills targeting transgender people, and increasingly hostile rhetoric against trans people in statehouses. So far this year, at least 155 bills targeting trans people's rights have been introduced, according to the Human Rights Campaign.

    Republican Sen. John Payton, the Arkansas bill's sponsor, called the measure narrowly crafted since it would only apply when minors are present and acknowledged it would be difficult to prosecute someone for violating the restriction.

    “I just don’t see this as being the bill that stops people from going into the wrong bathroom,” Payton said before the vote. “Hopefully it just limits it to when children are present.”

    But Sen. Joshua Bryant, the only Republican who voted against the bill, said the measure would allow someone to be prosecuted regardless of their intent. He compared it to charging someone with armed robbery if they took a concealed handgun into a building where it's not allowed.

    Bryant also noted that the bill would also apply to a transgender person who's undergone complete gender affirming surgery.

    "I may not understand why they did it, I may not agree with why they did it but it was their decision as an adult," Bryant said.

    The proposal narrowly won approval in the 35-member Senate, with several Republican lawmakers not voting on the measure another GOP senator voting “present” — which has the same effect as voting no.

    Despite the backlash over North Carolina's now-repealed bathroom bill, there has been a resurgence of similar restrictions proposed by GOP lawmakers. At least 17 bills related to who can use bathrooms have been introduced in 11 states so far this year.

    Another bill pending in the Arkansas Legislature would prevent transgender people at public schools from using bathrooms that match their gender identity. Similar laws have been enacted in Alabama, Oklahoma and Tennessee. Lawsuits have been filed challenging the Oklahoma and Tennessee restrictions.

    There are some exemptions in the bill approved by the Senate on Tuesday, including for parents and guardians accompanying children under the age of 7.

    Even with that exemption, the bill would pose a difficult choice for transgender activist Miss Major Griffin-Gracy and her partner Beck Major, who is also transgender. The Little Rock couple have a two-year-old son and would eventually have to decide whether to send him into public restrooms alone rather than accompany him and risk being charged under the law.

    “Those are two horrible choices for a parent to make,” Beck Major said. “What choice would you make?"

    The legislation also worries Kathy Brown-Nichols, of Arkansas, who describes herself as a butch lesbian and said she’s already regularly harassed and questioned when she uses the women’s restroom in public because of her appearance. Brown-Nichols said she's worried that harassment would only increase if the proposed restriction becomes law.

    “They are putting a big bullseye on people that are different,” she said.
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    What about peeing over the rail?

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    Yet another $#!+hole State.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    It is time we got rid of gendered bathrooms. Keep the urinals, just put up a partition to keep everyone happy. (And so the real a$$holes can't offend by waving their equipment around.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by robm View Post
    It is time we got rid of gendered bathrooms. Keep the urinals, just put up a partition to keep everyone happy. (And so the real a$$holes can't offend by waving their equipment around.)
    Actually, I used those in France and there was no curtain. There was a trough. There was no problem. When everyone is in the same boat, it's all the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Yet another $#!+hole State.
    you've visited arkansas?
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    ah yes, the state that also just allowed 9 year olds to work,
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    There's certainly some beautiful country in Arkansas. Offset by snakes & huge spiders though. Then there's the politics it seems.

    OH crap - Sarah Huckabee Sanders is gov. - I'd forgotten. That pretty much sums things up.
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    Why is it that people are so wound up about bathrooms?
    I grew up in a house where my mother and sister used the same bathrooms that my father and I did. Not only that, but every guest that came over to the house was welcome to use the same facilities.
    When I went to college, all the "restrooms" and showers were "Co-Ed" and no one seemed to have a problem. I have flown millions of miles on airliners that have no gender assignation to the heads.... But by god! The idea of a transgender person in a girl's toilet in a public place is worth a million dollars of wasted time....
    These people really need to grow up. (How would you know if someone is transgender unless you asked them, or they volunteered the info anyway?)

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    ^ The co-ed showers that I have experienced were rooms with single booths having doors. Everyone got privacy and I assume this is what you mean.

    I honestly believe that the "big room with shower head" showers are intended to condition people, especially young males, for military service.
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    I grew up in a Scandanavian town. Lots of people took family sauna, and invited friends to join them. We all thought nothing of co-ed naked sweating, showering, rolling in snow, jumping in rivers, toweling off, cooling down, and dressing. I love the Japanese system of bathing also. 'Frequently seen, never noticed'. Their attitudes towar sexuality are more healthy as well. The U.S. has WAY too much lingering Puritan hangover.
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    Having spent the 70's in rural Vermont - full of hippies, back to earthers, etc. nude swimming was the norm & nudity in general was simply no big deal. I find it's completely different now & even en famille it is unusual. The swimming holes rarely have people swimming with no clothes now - even though it's completely legal.

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    I'm sure most have been in a public pool ... the original gender neutral bathroom.
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    Is it Puritans or Papists in Arkansas?

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    I didn’t know they had bathrooms in Arkansas!

    I thought they still used outhouses! Who knew?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKIP KILPATRICK View Post
    I didn’t know they had bathrooms in Arkansas!

    I thought they still used outhouses! Who knew?
    Well yeah, but they must be kept separated by at least 10 feet, no more two holers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Is it Puritans or Papists in Arkansas?
    Evangelical Protestants are mostly driving this kind of thing. Not really descendants of Puritans.
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    So how many perverts that Identify as TG's just to get into a girls bathroom do you think are out there? would you want one in with your daughter?

    5 Times ‘Transgender’ Men Abused Women And Children In Bathrooms | The Daily Wire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Well yeah, but they must be kept separated by at least 10 feet, no more two holers...
    Roy Underhill had a great joke about a two-story outhouse, but I suspect you can imagine how it goes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodpile View Post
    So how many perverts that Identify as TG's just to get into a girls bathroom do you think are out there? would you want one in with your daughter?

    5 Times ‘Transgender’ Men Abused Women And Children In Bathrooms | The Daily Wire
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodpile View Post
    So how many perverts that Identify as TG's . . .
    You do realize that sexual assault in a bathroom is already illegal, right? And if you think this law has anything whatsoever to do with that, I have this really great bridge I can get you a deal on . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Is it Puritans or Papists in Arkansas?
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Evangelical Protestants are mostly driving this kind of thing. Not really descendants of Puritans.
    They are all whack jobs, descendant from other whack jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodpile View Post
    So how many perverts that Identify as TG's just to get into a girls bathroom do you think are out there? would you want one in with your daughter?

    5 Times ‘Transgender’ Men Abused Women And Children In Bathrooms | The Daily Wire


    It seems like laws against perverts and sex offenders would be a better law. I don't see anything there^ indicating transgender people are a problem.
    If perverted men dress as women to enter a bathroom, how are you going to know?
    Perhaps channeling HRDavies, you want to be the 'inspector'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    You do realize that sexual assault in a bathroom is already illegal, right? And if you think this law hasanything whatsoever to do with that, I have this really great bridge I can get you a deal on . . .
    I agree with your point, but I think it is worthwhile to point out the true nature of this law:

    Bryant also noted that the bill would also apply to a transgender person who's undergone complete gender affirming surgery.
    Same-sex sexual assault is recognized under the law, but that is not what this law is about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    They are all whack jobs, descendant from other whack jobs.
    No shortage of whack jobs, but keeping the varieties straight is often helpful.

    The point of this law is the idea that the mere existence of transgender people is against God's natural order, and that therefore making things more difficult for them is the right thing to do. It has absolutely nothing to do with preventing sexual assault.
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    I'm sorry all, I thought that all my posts on my trangsendered son would enlighten some. Apparently not.. I think that the members here who are so vosciferous in their condemnation would be much like their Taliban brothers and kill their child rather than think that maybe their religion from a long time age was past its prime so to speak....Nuff said, I will try to not view these type of posts from now on. Can't promise of course, I'm only human....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOKI View Post
    I'm sorry all, I thought that all my posts on my trangsendered son would enlighten some. Apparently not.. I think that the members here who are so vosciferous in their condemnation would be much like their Taliban brothers and kill their child rather than think that maybe their religion from a long time age was past its prime so to speak....Nuff said, I will try to not view these type of posts from now on. Can't promise of course, I'm only human....
    I think you should read the thread before condemning those of us who posted.

    I count 1 questionably negative comment (the language is vague) out of 26 with 25 posts supporting your son's rights while a state is trying to take them away.
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    Cw says I should apologise to all I have offended, good enough.. I do. What frustrates me terribly is people who would keep others from living their lives no matter what the others would think is normal or okay in their little worlds....So sorry if that upsets some of you too!!

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    ^ That's no apology.
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    You caught that did you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOKI View Post
    You caught that did you?
    I have to agree with Mr. Smith that I saw little condemnation of any transgendered person - but plenty about the ***holes who are unable to live & let live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    It seems like laws against perverts and sex offenders would be a better law. I don't see anything there^ indicating transgender people are a problem.
    If perverted men dress as women to enter a bathroom, how are you going to know?
    Perhaps channeling HRDavies, you want to be the 'inspector'?
    The laws are already there, you really think the "perverts and sex offenders" really care about them, no different than criminals with guns.
    Interesting no one wants to answer the questions.

    "So how many perverts that Identify as TG's just to get into a girls bathroom do you think are out there? would you want one in with your daughter?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodpile View Post
    The laws are already there, you really think the "perverts and sex offenders" really care about them, no different than criminals with guns.
    Interesting no one wants to answer the questions.

    "So how many perverts that Identify as TG's just to get into a girls bathroom do you think are out there? would you want one in with your daughter?"
    Do you know how many non TG perverts dress as women just to get into a girls bathroom? Your bigotry is preventing you from seeing that the issue is perverts, not what their "equipment" is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodpile View Post

    "So how many perverts that Identify as TG's just to get into a girls bathroom do you think are out there? would you want one in with your daughter?"
    One what, one of these sentient beings created in gods image, in Arkansas?
    My daughter is never going anywhere near Arkansas, guaranteed...
    Just to clarify your argument, are you worried about a man presenting as a woman or a woman presenting as a man, or more than one in the same bathroom?

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    One of the problems with discussing this is the generality in the term "transgender".

    Lia Thomas is a transgender swimmer. She still has male genitals, still dates women, is supposedly taking hormones, but she went from an also-swam male to breaking female records everywhere just by saying "I'm a girl!" That isn't right. It isn't fair to other women. It's clear that she has greater muscle mass than the sis-women and I can tell you that my female HS gym teacher relative is up in arms about this sort of thing.

    Then this comes along where adults who are fully committed to their new identity, who have had surgery to make themselves agree with the gender they have adopted, are still forbidden to use the bathrooms of their choice. It's punitive. That's the only way to view it. There is no safety or decency issue here. We shouldn't care how a person became male or female. It is enough that they are.

    There has to be a middle ground that makes sense and we need to find out how to accommodate people who are in legitimate transition. We can do that. Unisex bathrooms are the easy way, but either way we can do that. And we need to be able to accommodate those people who identify as non-binary. We can do that, too. It only takes a little compassion and a little common sense. Those two things seem to be in short supply these days.
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