I don't believe Biden will run for POTUS again

[shortboot]

I think Michelle Obama might surprise people.

[Nicholas Scheuer]

Biden might've planned ahead better with a better choice of VP.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

FDR changed his V-P, iirc ?

Much as I like Michelle Obama, there’s an awkward echo of Hillary Clinton, and I bet she is very well aware of that.

[shortboot]

I don't think Hillary would have a chance against Michelle. Hillary wouldn't make it past the primaries. I think Hillary knows that if push comes to shove. Michelle might make a bearable president,only time would tell. What male would be VP, interesting. Oh oh, Hillary as VP, end of the world as we know it. Ha Ha!!!!

[Jim Mahan]

It seems to me the Ds are conventionally obligated to support both Biden's relection bid, and Harris' position as the 'spare.' It also seems like one day, when the Ds are otherwise in a passing majority in both houses of Congress—which we now know is possible in our time—we will get to choose between a dangerous and evil R candidate, Desantis or trmp, god forbid, and a watershed, ceiling-breaker, someone with as much gravitas and youthful etc etc, to roll to victory as the eventual First Woman President, and perhaps First Female POC President. And Harris could be it, but only by being in the chair when Joe falls over, hopefully from a massive cardiac or brain thing—sudden, final, the cap of a long and esteemed career of public service and presidential accomplishment—and perchance not a sniper or car bomb.

The good news for Harris, is that Joe is re-electable, and her odds of being in the seat through that next term, to take over upon the official physical demise of the oldest seated president are good. If she can then finish his second term with at least a year in office before the following election, she can take that, too. Which leaves the possibility, slim though it seems in the present, of her having an eight year chance.

And if all of that takes place, like that, we will have had at least twelve years and maybe sixteen of D White House and at least ten or possibly fourteen with a simultaneous D majority in both houses, too. And I predict that that, if it should come to pass, will be remembered by history as a true golden era of progress and democratic triumph.

Ooo, I feel a tingle.

[Figment]

As long as trump remains a viable candidate, Biden will run. The minute the scales tip in favor of desantis he'll yield to someone younger.
I doubt it will be a very contentious primary kind of situation, more of a passing of the torch "we have lots of work left to do and THIS is the person to do it" thing.

[Ted Hoppe]

kamala harris has got to be one of the most short sighted and generally ****ty vp picks ever

there's three up and comers from my home state
but they aren't quite ready to make a run yet: gretchen whitmer, dana nessel, and elissa slotkin - lets see how the first two navigate gun control and political extremism and abortion rights during this year in michigan and we'll know what we need to know about each of them; the esteemable elissa slotkin needs a tour as a senator - on the plus side, all three of them make right wing whacko heads explode

i like pete buttigieg quite a lot, but the nation's sadly not ready for him, yet

Biden gave Kamala a fools errand - he made her become the lead official to hold back the migrants surge directly and pushed her to be the good soldier on pedaling senatorial positioning of the Biden administration. East coast democrats poisoned and positioned to isolate her on purpose. She forgot her flash and toned down her attractiveness to not burn so bright (sadly). A active group of seriously wacked democrats no longer like Diane Feinstein style of democrats with grandpa Biden being an acceptable exception.

It seems it is hard find a mixed race trans gender with creditable credentials. Buttigieg is a normal wired but still weird gay not likely to stand up in a republican showdown of people who liked 1980 america and are witnessing the rug being pulled from under them socially.

I do like Biden very much but Biden looks more feeble than ever and he can only be pumped up with fillers, supported by serious orthotics and veggie based testosterone so much before he develops an aneurysm or a stroke. The moment that man can't walk or ride a bike - he will mentally fade fast.

[TomF]

As long as trump remains a viable candidate, Biden will run. The minute the scales tip in favor of desantis he'll yield to someone younger.
I doubt it will be a very contentious primary kind of situation, more of a passing of the torch "we have lots of work left to do and THIS is the person to do it" thing.

I think this too. I'm not clear on who that person may be - and I agree that Harris, Whitmer, Buttigieg etc. would each be risks. Would, none of them, appear so far to be able to pull together not only the Democrats but the inveterate not-news-watching vote-from-limited-engagement mushy population which always decides American elections.

(that could have been intended as humor - decide for yourselves)

As Bflat observed, FDR wasn't a great walker. Arguably, Joe's been more effective getting stuff through even in this awful period of American public life than anyone since FDR. If Biden can stay on his legs 'till December 2024, that's all that's necessary.

What concerns me is the ever louder and more open call for civil war, which IMO will bring predictable results in terms of political violence throughout the next few years. Whoever POTUS is. I'd anticipate a couple of attempted assassinations of people like Whitmer or Harris, exactly to take out people who could credibly become champions against the Authoritarians.

I think that Mayor Pete would make a good VP, if Biden decides he needs to make a change. There's nobody better as a communicator, for all that he's too green to run for the Presidency himself yet. And Biden should then appoint Harris to a ranking Cabinet position where she can do what she's good at, vindicating his earlier decision to put her into the more ceremonial VP role, essentially anointing the 2 of them as a tag-team to succeed him.

[JimD]

the last time America was united was WW2, and even then just befiore the Bund had a following as did the isolationists. I reckon it will get worse before it gets better unless a national threat comes along out of the blue, like a pandemic………………………….

yeah, that last pandemic really united people

[LeeG]

yeah, that last pandemic really united people

migawd what TFG did for politicizing national security was insane and his idiocy continued with rww talking about the “weaponization of government!”. The do what they condemn.

[Garret]

I think this too. I'm not clear on who that person may be - and I agree that Harris, Whitmer, Buttigieg etc. would each be risks. Would, none of them, appear so far to be able to pull together not only the Democrats but the inveterate not-news-watching vote-from-limited-engagement mushy population which always decides American elections.

(that could have been intended as humor - decide for yourselves)

As Bflat observed, FDR wasn't a great walker. Arguably, Joe's been more effective getting stuff through even in this awful period of American public life than anyone since FDR. If Biden can stay on his legs 'till December 2024, that's all that's necessary.

What concerns me is the ever louder and more open call for civil war, which IMO will bring predictable results in terms of political violence throughout the next few years. Whoever POTUS is. I'd anticipate a couple of attempted assassinations of people like Whitmer or Harris, exactly to take out people who could credibly become champions against the Authoritarians.

I think that Mayor Pete would make a good VP, if Biden decides he needs to make a change. There's nobody better as a communicator, for all that he's too green to run for the Presidency himself yet. And Biden should then appoint Harris to a ranking Cabinet position where she can do what she's good at, vindicating his earlier decision to put her into the more ceremonial VP role, essentially anointing the 2 of them as a tag-team to succeed him.

I like this idea.

[George Jung]

Unclear what the calculus is; I have to wonder if Joe his intimated he's running to 1)avoid 'lame duck' status and 2) to keep the RIP's off balance, wondering who they'll be up against. No sense tipping your hand too early - makes it more difficult (I would think) to mount a smear campaign.

But if he runs, a vote for him is, to me, a no-brainer. Perhaps he is too old - not as 'sharp' as we'd like. But he's honest, and has the interests of the public first and foremost. TFG or desatan or.... any RIP - not at all.

[TomF]

If he's not as sharp as folks would like, you couldn't tell that from the administration's domestic and foreign policy successes.

One thing's certain. If Biden's lost the steps some claim, he's utterly formidable at knowing how to find and keep a superb crew to pull his strings.

[George Jung]

Yep. I've no doubt he's the 'best choice', relative to anything the RIP's have to offer. But.... so is a tree stump.

[John Smith]

Seems to me the primary map is being altered to favor him.

I do believe the VP will be more important in '24. He'll either have to give the current VP opportunities to impress voters or he'll need another running mate. Mayor Pete works for me. Michigan's governor works for me. Given the times, he may have to choose a woman.

[Rigadog]

What is the problem with Harris? If Biden had to leave office for whatever reason and Harris had a year or so in the job could she get elected? Might she demonstrate she's suited for the job? Is it just that people don't like her? Her voice? Her skin color? What is it about her?

[Paul Pless]

Yep. I've no doubt he's the 'best choice', relative to anything the RIP's have to offer. But.... so is a tree stump.

george, did you ever see yourself being a 'yellow dog democrat'?

[Rigadog]

BTW I like Sherrod Brown

[Ted Hoppe]

What is the problem with Harris? If Biden had to leave office for whatever reason and Harris had a year or so in the job could she get elected? Might she demonstrate she's suited for the job? Is it just that people don't like her? Her voice? Her skin color? What is it about her?

the forum here does not like west coast California centrists. They are not revolutionary enough.

Kamala is a nice, smart woman who wants business to thrive, lawful immigration policy and racial social justice to prevail. That is not enough for our residential socialists. They are going as far as to replace her as VP. This suggests vague contempt and disregard. I actually personally know Kamala. She is capable and thoughtful - she does not throw elbows - something our democratic spectators like in their national gladiator leader politics.

[Paul Pless]

That is not enough for our residential socialists.

this resident socialist was never happy with giving a career prosecutor, district attorney, and state attorney general the #2 office behind the president - was there ever anything more hypocritical than kamala standing up for blm <snort>

i was not enamored of her speeches (style nor content) as a candidate and her demeanor has become appalling since becoming vp - no wonder the white house hides her

my biggest complaint about her now is she is a loser, imo
there's no way she wins the white house on her own
and she may prevent biden from being re-elected

[Ted Hoppe]

this resident socialist was never happy with giving a career prosecutor, district attorney, and state attorney general the #2 office behind the president - was there ever anything more hypocritical than kamala standing up for blm <snort>

i was not enamored of her speeches (style nor content) as a candidate and her demeanor has become appalling since becoming vp - no wonder the white house hides her

my biggest complaint about her now is she is a loser, imo
there's no way she wins the white house on her own
and she may prevent biden from being re-elected

That was a great deal of hyperbole and misdirection there Crimson Tider, Alabama's most awesome troll.

Kamala Harris was a prosecutor for the City of San Francisco under very liberal city politics, she then became the DA in the fair liberal city. Then she was elected again to Attorney General of the State of California, arguably the most progressive state in the country. She clearly was popular enough to win to become Senator. Disregarding her record because she prosecuted all levels of gross criminal drug and weapons charges in the most populous state and acrtively sought to uphold the laws on the books. As far as I Know, she has always worked for social justice be it for equitable racial, sexual orientation and economic opportunity. Black lives do matter to her as does a civil society. I would argue she has been hidden by the White House because many in the Democratic Party want an east coast liberal woman of color to be the first woman president. If you know different with facts - show me.

I don't know how much more i can take you calling my political side piece a loser. I think this bad momma with a warm smile has got it going on.

[TomF]

I think Harris would be a good POTUS. I just don't feel confident at all that she'd pull the mushy brained, wilfully uninformed, doggedly "swing" voters who decide American elections.

Some because of her gender, others because of her skin tone, and others because they'll have heard vague rumors that she has eaten babies with Clinton and Soros, and wonder if crazy uncle Jed might be onto something this time. Even though they did find him just last week claiming that the Chinese were talking to him through his sunglasses.

[Garret]

Kamala has gotten treatment similar to Hilary from the right. To add to that, the Dems consider her an outsider, so she's been treated shabbily by the administration & the DNC. My guess is that she wasn't willing to kiss enough a$$ of the powers that be in the Dem party.

[John Smith]

What is the problem with Harris? If Biden had to leave office for whatever reason and Harris had a year or so in the job could she get elected? Might she demonstrate she's suited for the job? Is it just that people don't like her? Her voice? Her skin color? What is it about her?

Personally, I have no problem. For some reason my democratic friends all seem to have a problem. That's not a good sign.

I'd like to see Katie Porter.

[Yeadon]

Competence is boring. Enjoy the calm.

[Paul Pless]

I would argue she has been hidden by the White House because many in the Democratic Party want an east coast liberal woman of color to be the first woman president. If you know different with facts - show me.

who is this 'east coast liberal woman of color' of which you speak?

[Bflat]

I like Gov. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania.

[sonofswen]

Yes to Gavin Newsom. He could rally the Dems to a victory..why not?

[Osborne Russell]

Competence is boring. Enjoy the calm.

That's for calm times, which are the exception. During calm times is when the mother F ers are at work, don't be naive.

[Osborne Russell]

Hakeem Jefffries, House Minority Leader.

[Jack Loudon]

[QUOTE=sonofswen;6814812]Yes to Gavin Newsom. He could rally the Dems to a victory..why not?[/QUOT

I'm also thinking Newsom may be the most electable though I don't personally care for him. He checks all the boxes for things most voters seem to want: White, male, hetero, good looking, presents well in front of a camera. He can be reactionary and a loose cannon, but he's feisty, and could stand up to the likes of Trump and DeSantis.

[TerryLL]

Yes to Gavin Newsom. He could rally the Dems to a victory..why not?

Newsom wants to turn the US into California just like DeSantis wants to turn the US into Florida. The thin Left Coast fringe may be all agog with Newsom, but the Dems nationwide will not get on that bus.

[skuthorp]

You need someone so bland that no one can find fault with him. Preferably around 50 with no boy or girlfriends in his background…… politically neutral on most things…… a blank slate that both sides think they can scrawl their grafitti on, so innofensive that no one will give him a chance………...

[Osborne Russell]

Gavin Newsome is a California anti-pasto muncher of discernment.

I want The Ghost of Tom Joad, b's. Can o' beans over a can fire.

There's them that own that own capital, and them's that don't.

That's my President, if you're asking.

The highway is alive tonight
Ain 't nobody foolin' bout
where it goes

Ain' no secret

[David G]

There's something to be said for this attitude. At least when I'm feeling grumpy --