has the chinese communist party censored

[Paul Pless]

hrdavies?

[L.W. Baxter]

shhhh.

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

They're probably way too busy to bother.

But our China correspondent might have become dismayed by the level of hatred exhibited here.

[Canoeyawl]

Maybe he has the er, flu?

[AndanteEd]

They've probably reassigned him to another forum

[JayInOz]

In a conflict between China and the west, it would be interesting to know which side viewed him as the greatest security risk.

[Tom Montgomery]

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Now this is interesting. I had put him on my ignore list. His name still resides there. He does not appear to have been banned. But every post has vanished.

[Keith Wilson]

Every post has vanished? Curious; that's management, methinks. He was certainly ornery, but had some interesting things to say.

[Ted Hoppe]

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Mao!

[Paul Pless]

Every post has vanished?

no, not every post
just selective posts

[Ted Hoppe]

no, not every post
just selective posts

He did admit to unsavory things which the moral guardians of the forum identified. Those were the first to go as they were revealing significant reasons why he was there.

[Dave Hadfield]

Too much work.

China doesn't care that much.

[Tom Montgomery]

no, not every post
just selective posts

Oh yes. My mistake.

[Canoeyawl]

He did admit to unsavory things which the moral guardians of the forum identified. Those were the first to go as they were revealing significant reasons why he was there.

Same deal the last time he was here and perma-banned
(reminds me a bit of that Russian guy that claims he's Swedish)

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

hrdavies?

No. He took himself off.

You lot do realise that your US media induced fear and hatred of China drove away a man with considerable knowledge of the sort of things, like wooden boats, that bring us here?

[Breakaway]

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Mao!

Those are ( supposed to be) Vietnamese, Ted.

Kevin

[Tom from Rubicon]

hrdavies got my ignore, some time ago.

[George.]

No. He took himself off.

You lot do realise that your US media induced fear and hatred of China drove away a man with considerable knowledge of the sort of things, like wooden boats, that bring us here?

No, but I noticed he studiously avoided any comment on the issue of China arming Russia, even while he was very active. Strange for a self-appointed defender of China, not so strange if he is not self-appointed.

How does the US media "induce fear and hatred of China"? By reporting on what government and military leaders are saying and doing?

[Peerie Maa]

How does the US media "induce fear and hatred of China"? By reporting on what government and military leaders are saying and doing?

Because they are a successful communist state? There are still Reds under the beds. So the US media feeds the feat to sell copy?

[George.]

And how does the Chinese media portray the US and the West in general?

[WI-Tom]

No. He took himself off.

You lot do realise that your US media induced fear and hatred of China drove away a man with considerable knowledge of the sort of things, like wooden boats, that bring us here?

Andrew,

I have the greatest respect for your contributions here, but I can't agree with your characterization.

It's kind of pointless to try and whine about "who started it," but the hostility bounced around from (nearly) all sides on the China thread. I'd think you could acknowledge that HRD's persona was confrontational in the extreme. He went out of the way to insult people, and he flat told me multiple times that he "knew what I believed about China"--and clung to his arrogant belief that he knew what I believed even after I contradicted him multiple times.

And yes, others attacked him pretty viciously, too, at times. Which was the provocation, and which the reaction? Who knows?

To say that anyone's "hatred of China" drove anyone away is:

1. Wrong. I didn't get the impression that anyone expressed hatred of China. Hatred of authoritarian government, maybe. Disapproval, certainly. Deep skepticism that such a government can be trusted to report accurately on things like Covid? Oh, yeah.

2. Simplistic--it lets HRD off the hook. Reality says that he, along with others, ought to be right on that hook together.

It was a pity how hostile those threads became. But HRD played a HUGE role in making them so.

Tom

[Paul Pless]

No. He took himself off.

You lot do realise that your US media induced fear and hatred of China drove away a man with considerable knowledge of the sort of things, like wooden boats, that bring us here?

surely you must realize the op was an attempt at ironical humour

guess i failed

[George.]

of course you failed

it's cpc, not ccp

as hrd would have told you

[LeeG]

No. He took himself off.

You lot do realise that your US media induced fear and hatred of China drove away a man with considerable knowledge of the sort of things, like wooden boats, that bring us here?

There is that easily accesible reflex to demonize other countries but it sure would have helped his acceptance if he didn’t come out the gate with insults.

[Jim Mahan]

If he wanted to be here to share, he would've showed up with less hostility. If he wanted to be a shill or proselytize for the Chinese he would've been less arrogant and hostile. If he were a bot with a political agenda, being hostile and arrogant didn't really serve that either. He, or them, whatever, had an ego and couldn't dominate with it on a board with an open membership of others who also have expertise on a wide range of matters, and was frustrated about that. So he had a snit and left. Did he get some kind of pushback or insult early on and that put his dander up while the rest of us were on topic ? I had him on ignore early on, too. I got no time for that.

[Gerarddm]

Cast ye not pearls before swine, and all that.

Whatever. If he ( I assume ) chooses to go walkabout, gor' love 'im, as Killick might have said.

[L.W. Baxter]

well put, jim.

in my perception, hr posted more insult per page than anybody he tangled with. well, at least on a par with our most combative.

nobody gets run off. there's no mechanism for chasing somebody out of a digital conversation. only a forum administrator can ban a poster, and even then, they can create a new identity and come back if they choose. as we have seen.

[Jim Mahan]

Don't bring none; won't be none.

[JayInOz]

I said it before, in his previous life here before perma ban, he ridiculed my comments about the life of people in North Korea. Refused to hear a word against the regime there, despite a mountain of evidence about brutality, murder and starvation. Reckoned I was an idiot for believing the western media- it was all lies. He accompanied his ridicule with his usual personal attacks. Something definitely unsettling about his infatuation with authoritarian regimes. I would have liked to visit China, but only to meet and spend time with the rural poor- the old people who make things with their hands and grow what they eat. I feel no hatred for China but I'm glad we don't have to live under their system. I remember a few years ago China announced that their laws were outdated and need a shake up- the result was about a dozen more offenses now incurring the death penalty. People are mostly just people. It's the ones in charge that are always the problem. JayInOz

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Well, I like the man, and respect his really considerable erudition.

In private correspondence he has always been the soul of courtesy, and he really does know an awful lot about China.

[JayInOz]

Fair enough Andrew. Shame he was only nice in personal correspondence. When he was here before I made a nasty comment to him in response to something he said and received a message from admin threatening me with a banning. I apologised and said that I shouldn't let him get under my skin but if admin cared to look, in the previous several hours he had visited several threads in the bilge and made nasty comments on every one- no other input to the threads, just bile and insults. The next day he was gone. I hope he stays gone this time. JayInOz

[Ralphie Boy]

Regardless of the validity of his views, this person attacked anyone who disagreed with him in a very personal way, and then would delete the posts (I suppose so he wouldn’t be banned). That’s no way to win converts to your side, in my opinion. If you’re constantly deleting your posts due to rudeness, guess what - you’re a rude person. I think he was nice to you Andrew because you never disagreed with him.

[WI-Tom]

I think he was nice to you Andrew because you never disagreed with him.

I think there is a lot of truth to that, at least as far as being nice on the open threads goes. It's a bit disappointing that Andrew can't even seem to acknowledge how poorly HRD treated everyone else.

That said, he sent me a few PMs that were courteous enough. A pity he couldn't manage to stick with that approach on the Forum itself.

Tom

[Peerie Maa]

I think there is a lot of truth to that, at least as far as being nice on the open threads goes. It's a bit disappointing that Andrew can't even seem to acknowledge how poorly HRD treated everyone else.

That said, he sent me a few PMs that were courteous enough. A pity he couldn't manage to stick with that approach on the Forum itself.

Tom

This.

Regardless of the validity of his views, this person attacked anyone who disagreed with him in a very personal way, and then would delete the posts (I suppose so he wouldn’t be banned). That’s no way to win converts to your side, in my opinion. If you’re constantly deleting your posts due to rudeness, guess what - you’re a rude person. I think he was nice to you Andrew because you never disagreed with him.

He was not the only one on here who could not brook disagreement and became insulting.

[McMike]

Don't bring none; won't be none.

That reminds me of Pearldog . . .. I begrudgingly liked that guy a lot. Wish he was still here.