ineos grenadier

[Paul Pless]

an homage to the defender built by the world's fourth largest petrochemical company

246-hp/406 lb ft torque bmw sourced 3.0-liter twin-turbo diesel

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[McMike]

I've been following this a bit for a few years. I want the wagon. Probably starts at 100k . . . so, probably no.

[Paul Pless]

the styling and the motor choice is interesting in its own right, plus the eight speed tremec

but the underpinnings are the story for me: solid axles from carraro w/eaton lockers and eibach springs and shocks and full on off road brembos, on board air compressor

other than the early special edition rubicons, i've never seen a 'production' vehicle outfitted as such

[StevenBauer]

Kinda looks like the AROs. Anyone remember them? A bunch were imported into Portland 30 years ago.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...s-three-times/

[McMike]

the styling and the motor choice is interesting in its own right, plus the eight speed tremec

but the underpinnings are the story for me: solid axles from carraro w/eaton lockers and eibach springs and shocks and full on off road brembos, on board air compressor

other than the early special edition rubicons, i've never seen a 'production' vehicle outfitted as such

I'll have to catch up with their marketing vids but yeah, these are beefy. I mean, you can get honest rock sliders from factory. This thing is going to sell like hotcakes to the extremely wealthy. While I think it might be within reach for you, I'll probably never even see one.

[McMike]

Kinda looks like the AROs. Anyone remember them? A bunch were imported into Portland 30 years ago.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...s-three-times/

Cool!

[Paul Pless]

I want the wagon.

$97K

[McMike]

$97K

Yeah, maybe not.

[AnalogKid]

That ARO racing truck at the bottom of the article is no such thing. It's clearly Land Rover based, either a Tomcat or a Bowler Wildcat.

(ARO has IFS, Land Rovers of the era had beam axle with radius arms and Panhard rod, plus it's on UK plates).

The only thing I really like about the Grenadier is that they lined up a pair of safari lights with the side windows - the offset always bugged me on my 110 station wagon.

But if I wanted to go off-roading again, it would be in a Jimny - more than capable enough of getting to anywhere I'd want to (or be allowed to) take a vehicle.

[McMike]

I rented a Jimny in Iceland 2 weeks and it was a great little vehicle. We loved it. I would buy one in a heartbeat if they were sold in the USA.

[LeeG]

It’s a professional bicycle team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ineos_Grenadiers

[stromborg]

I rented a Jimny in Iceland 2 weeks and it was a great little vehicle. We loved it. I would buy one in a heartbeat if they were sold in the USA.

I've always liked the hardtop Samurai, this one went for a bit north of $8k on BAT a few years ago. Much like my '92 Miata it is getting harder to find clean unmolested versions.

[Paul Pless]

a neighbor in az put this up for sale the day i was leaving for michigan

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[JimD]

I rented a Jimny in Iceland 2 weeks and it was a great little vehicle. We loved it. I would buy one in a heartbeat if they were sold in the USA.

I've liked the Jimny for a long time, too. But quite dedicated off road and slow and spongy on the highway. I'd be better off with something rough roadish but not so purely off roadish.

[Rumars]

That ARO racing truck at the bottom of the article is no such thing. It's clearly Land Rover based, either a Tomcat or a Bowler Wildcat.

(ARO has IFS, Land Rovers of the era had beam axle with radius arms and Panhard rod, plus it's on UK plates).

LOL you need better glasses. Maybe the original photo will help, zoom in and read the "UK plates". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARO_..._Raid_2008.jpg
The car is one of the few ARO 10 Superrally's ever made, a Group H (unrestricted modifications) factory racing team car. It's a fiberglass ARO 10 styled shell on a 24 series chasis with a Toyota 3.4l V6, Aro modified transmission, and while it has a rigid front axle it retains the 24 series independent rear suspension.

[AnalogKid]

Indeed it is getting to be time to get glasses.

Totally wrong on the plate format no I stop to think about it a little longer, but that front axle is very much like a LHD Land Rover, swivels, drop arm and drag link and all, which is not at all what the ARO 24 models in the rest of the article are fitted with. As for the ARO styled bodyshell, it's very much like the Tomcat / Wildcat 'Land Rover-styled' bodyshells, but yes, in the big picture, clearly not Land-Rovery enough.

Do you have experience of the actual vehicles? Were they totally utilitarian or was there a degree of passenger comfort consideration for the civilian models?

ETA - not one I'd heard of before. If I'd seen a picture of one in context of being in Romania, I'd probably assumed it was a UAZ.

[Ted Hoppe]

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I'll take one of these please. I am going to buy lotto tickets in a bit.

[bluedog225]

Personally, I’ve had about enough 4wd expedition overland travel lust. I’ll take a nice light truck, camry, or subaru. Maybe a roomy minivan. If I didn’t need it to get around the place, I’d sell the jeep. Gonna hike my next adventure, or bike, or sail.

[Rumars]

Indeed it is getting to be time to get glasses.

Totally wrong on the plate format no I stop to think about it a little longer, but that front axle is very much like a LHD Land Rover, swivels, drop arm and drag link and all, which is not at all what the ARO 24 models in the rest of the article are fitted with. As for the ARO styled bodyshell, it's very much like the Tomcat / Wildcat 'Land Rover-styled' bodyshells, but yes, in the big picture, clearly not Land-Rovery enough.

Do you have experience of the actual vehicles? Were they totally utilitarian or was there a degree of passenger comfort consideration for the civilian models?

ETA - not one I'd heard of before. If I'd seen a picture of one in context of being in Romania, I'd probably assumed it was a UAZ.

The big giveaway about nationality is that blue square on the plates where it says RO under the flag. I did looked into it and discovered I was wrong, the pictured Superrally while nominally a series 10, did have the 24 series chasis, but the rear axle was rigid not independent. Both modifications appeared initially as cost cutting measures for production simplification. I don't know what the front axle is, if a foreign import or a modified indigen product.

The 24 series was designed in the sixties and the series 10 in the seventies. Most communist versions were pretty spartan by todays standard, no armrests, no cupholders, no air conditioning, soft spring seats with no side support, metal dashboard with added plastic bits. They did have ashtrays and handholds. In time they aquired almost everything, starting with radios and including air conditioning and power steering. To my knowledge airbags were fitted only to some prototypes.

The springs were stiff, even on the all independent 10 (wich later aquired a rigid rear axle, and in the last phase the heavier 24 frame), and the shocks not very good. The offroad capability was very good, similar to a Mercedes G class, on road dependent on the engine and transmission combination.

Yes I did ride in them, several 24's and one 10 with all independent suspension and the original Dacia (Renault 12) engine. The 10 was designed initially more as an SUV with lower ground clearance and better on road handling, and was more comfortable.
The 24 would handle terrain like a real tractor, but was somewhat boneshaking and slow to accelerate.

When designed they were good to excelent, but ongoing development was always behind the time and production quality varied.

[StevenBauer]

I think the AROs that came to Maine in the 90s had Chrysler engines and transmissions.

How about this number I saw downtown this afternoon:

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[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Personally, I’ve had about enough 4wd expedition overland travel lust. I’ll take a nice light truck, camry, or subaru. Maybe a roomy minivan. If I didn’t need it to get around the place, I’d sell the jeep. Gonna hike my next adventure, or bike, or sail.

I rather agree. There is a sort of obsession with getting tooled up to go on the sort of expedition that people went on in the nineteen fifties, without actually going anywhere or doing anything.

I don’t include the man who is behind the Grenadier, because Jim Ratcliffe has walked to the South Pole in his sixties, but it would be nice to think that the people who will buy Grenadiers will learn how to drive them.

[Garret]

I think the AROs that came to Maine in the 90s had Chrysler engines and transmissions.

How about this number I saw downtown this afternoon:

One good pothole will mean buying new rims. Stoopid.

[Garret]

Last summer a friend picked up a Laforza. Fiat built SUV based on a military design I believe. Supercharged Ford 302!