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    Front mounted snow blowers are not a good idea. I have myself seen a 60 or 70 hp Belarus broken in two when the front mounted snow blower caught on a piece of concrete hidden under the snow. Most tractor frames aren't designed to handle loads in that direction and they just snap. It has happened often enough that nobody even thinks of front mounting a snow blower anymore. Another problem is the shaft bringing power to the snow blower which ends up hanging under the tractor all year round and reduces ground clearance. To my knowledge Porsche are the only tractors with a power take off in the front as well as in the back.
    If you have snow drifts too deep for the tractor to go over towing a snow blower you should get one of those big wheel blowers that are open in the back so you can reverse into the drifts.

    Personally I cannot see any needs for hydrostatic shift. I have never driven a tractor with shuttle shift though I know some English built Internationals have it. If the gear levers are reasonably ergonomic there is no need for shuttle shift in my oppinion. However it is a great advantage if the clutch pedal is ergonomic. Some tractors have very unergonomic cluth pedals.

    Your description sounds like an International 533 would be ideal for you. The hydraulic system is excellent. It has power steering and synchronized gear box and a separate PTO clutch and is generally very comfortable to drive. A neighbur has one and in my oppinion this is the supreme 45 hp tractor. Completely beyond comparition with anything else ever manufactured. However I don't know if they were ever sold in USA or if they were made only for the European market.

    For easy access to spare parts a 100series or 200 series Massey Ferguson would be great. I own and drive a MF 165 since 10 years and think it is a fairly good tractor. "The worlds best prototype" is what I call it. It has plenty of details which aren't quite as optimised as they should be but in all mayor respects it is a very good tractor. I am rebuilding the motor at the moment and with 50 years of use on it I haven't found any obvious weak spots only even wear. MF 165 and 168 are at 58-62 hp a bit larger than you thought of but I rekon the extra weight and power is a great adwantage when shovelling snow with a front loader. However all of them do not have power steering and you must have power steering for front loader work. You also need a concrete counterweight that fits the three poiint hitch.
    The smaller Massey Ferguson tractors like MF 30 and 35 and 130 and 135 have all proven quite unsuitable for front loader work. The front end gets too heavy and the narrow front wheels sink into the ground however large your counterweight is.

    Volvo BM 400 or 430 would be ideal for you but they were never sold in USA so they are out of question. So are Valmet 502 and 602 which are both excellent tractors though spare parts are running out even here in their homeland. They were never sold to USA either.

    Ford 3000 or 4000 or 5000 would fit your needs. The 5000 is significantly more powerful than your description but it isn't too large in my oppinion. The 2000 has proven too small for front loader work in the snow. Theese are all mighty good tractors though they have one significant weakness. The motor. They have no cylinder liners. Those triple idiots at the design office designed treactor engines without cylinder liners. This means that when the cylinder bores get worn (which they usually are by now) one must bore them out very accurately to take aftermarket dry liners. This is a rather expensive process. If it wasn't for this flaw the 1000 series Fords would be excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    gentlemen don't get off the tractor when they need to grab something
    Our neighbor across the road raises beef cattle. He hays our meadows and picks up the round bales with the front bucket with a bight of chain hooked on its top. He can snag a bale without getting off the seat. Prolly cheaper than the hydraulic arms that grab the bales.

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    I have a Ford 3000, but it's gas. It does everything I need it to do. There are a lot of 3000's and 4000's around here pretty reasonable, even in diesel. I paid $2500 for my rig, with a loader, but it's pretty tired. I had to put new rubber on all around ($$$). Someday I'd like to go through it, rebuild the engine, fix all of the leaks, and maybe even get the brakes working. The rear axles seals are shot, which equals oil soaked brakes. Old tractors can nickel-and-dime you pretty quickly.

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    Another thumbs up for a 1920 Ford/New Holland. My brother has one & it's been a good machine.

    Dunno about dealers in your area, but one I'll toss out is what I have - 06 Kioti DK40SE shuttle shift. Anywhere from roughly '03 to '10 are pre-DEF & non electronic. What I like on mine is a heavier duty bucket than the competition, standard rear hydraulics, and general lower tech, but ruggeder construction. Should be in the 15-20K range. Oh, standard quick-mount bucket too.

    Front mount blower: they are really nice to use, but the problem is it means swapping for the bucket & while quick-mount is better than pins, it's still a PITA in a foot of snow. You can get quick-mount snowplows (there are currently 2 on my local C/L) - but you still have to swap. While driving in reverse gets really old, the ruggedness & simplicity of a 3 pt snowblower is hard to beat. You can get the pull type, but they're all much newer & therefore more expensive.

    Kubotas are a good tractor, but lord are they expensive to maintain. Not saying they're worse than green paint, but I'm always stupefied when I have to get a part for my little Kubota. Front axle seals - standard looking seals in some odd size- were $300. For giggles, I checked for the Kioti & even though over double the horsepower, they were half the price.

    ETA: My Kioti DK40 is 40 HP. It's the lowest HP in their big frame tractor (highest is 65HP). While the 1920 Ford/New Holland is a great tractor (mid-30's HP), the DK40SE is significantly more powerful - particularly the bucket, where it lifts 800-1000 lbs. more. One other thing I forgot is that draft control for the 3 pt. hitch is standard on the DK40SE - which is great for field plowing, but also grading with a back blade.
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    Ford. Your wife is in the car bidnez.

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    Not a lot on C/L in your area. However, I did find these possibilities:

    https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/g...578607307.html
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    This side of the pond, it would have to be a grey Fergie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    This side of the pond, it would have to be a grey Fergie.
    On this side it's be a 2/8/9N Ford. Drawback to them is no live PTO. Great little haul stuff around or sickle bar mow tractor though.
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    Always enjoyed the little fords, but we didn't have anything smaller than a Farmall 'super'M. Did about everything with it.
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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    Im partial told Farmall's. Always liked the "B".

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    You notice he didn't discuss this with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katherine View Post
    You notice he didn't discuss this with me.
    I didn't - but where does he go now? Does the doghouse have heat?
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    ITS CHAOS, BE KIND

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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    This side of the pond, it would have to be a grey Fergie.

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    This side of the Pacific too!
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    All you really need is a tractor seat - the rest sounds like work.
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    well, it's pretty, i'll give it that
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    Perfect
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    i've spent many a day on one of these in my youth
    i like them but they aren't diesel, aren't awd, and adding a front loader is gonna be a cobbled affair
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    Plenty around in good condition. The front mount, take a trailer hitch ball
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    loverly tractors, but see above regarding the naa
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    This side of the pond, it would have to be a grey Fergie.

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    Paul has a pretty demanding list.
    Factory loader
    4wd
    70s-90s years
    Hydro/shuttle
    30-60hp
    mower(2acres manicured lawn,not to be churned up by ag tires)
    blower( big snow)
    FA electrickery/pilot control

    Lots of chore /utility tractors of that vintage will have 6-8000 hours because they are awesome
    Translating into high demand/high price for a low hour unicorn

    8Ns suck ass for bushogging(try to stop before hitting the fence/car barn) and reverse is too high for safety
    Bx will make Paul look like a circus bear riding a tricycle

    Maybe a zero turn mower and an old Massey 165 for loader and snowblowing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lint View Post
    it isn't even safe to ride a bike without brakes let alone a farm tractor.
    True. I find most attachments to be pretty efficient brakes, though. That, or turn uphill.

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    ag tires are fine

    this tractor wont tred onto the lawn (much)

    we already have a riding lawn mower

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Williamson View Post
    Paul has a pretty demanding list.
    Factory loader
    4wd
    70s-90s years
    Hydro/shuttle
    30-60hp
    mower(2acres manicured lawn,not to be churned up by ag tires)
    blower( big snow)
    FA electrickery/pilot control

    Lots of chore /utility tractors of that vintage will have 6-8000 hours because they are awesome
    Translating into high demand/high price for a low hour unicorn

    8Ns suck ass for bushogging(try to stop before hitting the fence/car barn) and reverse is too high for safety
    Bx will make Paul look like a circus bear riding a tricycle

    Maybe a zero turn mower and an old Massey 165 for loader and snowblowing
    R
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    would an atv work?

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    nope
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    yah

    no
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    Dude - it s just a song. I like the Pless that took naps and drank fine liquor, dreamed about building boats and posts boat p0rns more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Bow View Post
    Don't need concrete blocks to hold the blade down, if you have some 'human ballast' in the driver's seat. . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Williamson View Post
    Paul has a pretty demanding list.
    Factory loader
    4wd
    70s-90s years
    Hydro/shuttle
    30-60hp
    mower(2acres manicured lawn,not to be churned up by ag tires)
    blower( big snow)
    FA electrickery/pilot control

    Lots of chore /utility tractors of that vintage will have 6-8000 hours because they are awesome
    Translating into high demand/high price for a low hour unicorn

    8Ns suck ass for bushogging(try to stop before hitting the fence/car barn) and reverse is too high for safety
    Bx will make Paul look like a circus bear riding a tricycle

    Maybe a zero turn mower and an old Massey 165 for loader and snowblowing
    R
    I learned the hard way - fence in my case. However an over-running clutch in the pto shaft takes care of that.

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    For anyone interested in restorations. This is Pete from Just A Few Acres Farm. He and his wife make a living selling stuff they raise at the local market. Pete is also a very good mechanic. This is the culmination of many Youtube episodes restoring a lovely little Farmall Super C - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7wiM5ArbkE JayInOz

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    Never too late to have a happy childhood.

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    logging is a winter time sport for me

    cooler, no bugs, no briars, no noxious shrubbery, less friction. . .

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    alas my logging and sawmilling and firewood cutting and splitting days may be over, though
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    i ain't that old
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    Did an awful lot of work with one of these, Paul....

    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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    thats one of the nicer appearing loader conversions to an older tractor i've seen
    but would you ever go back to or recommend a tricycle tractor in these days?
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    Nah - ours had a wide front end (but no drive). I'm sure the newer tractors are a leap forward - I just 'got outta the game' way before then!
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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