It's only 0.18%

[ShorelineJohn]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ad5de205e8538b


I just can't believe so many can turn a blind eye to this crap!
And that's 1 year in 1 state.
If this was done by a parent it would be child abuse.

[wizbang 13]

If it were done at home it would be called parenting.
Its the parents job, not the teachers .

[ShorelineJohn]

Locking them in a closet and tye wrapping they hands? I give up!

[ShorelineJohn]

https://www.pbis.org/topics/restraintseclusion
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https://www.npr.org/2019/06/15/72995...rsial-practice

[CWSmith]

The teachers that I work with and the teachers in my family would never accept this. These are people that need to be required to find other employment.

[wizbang 13]

The teachers that I know are not allowed to even barely touch the kids… and my bride was Special Ed.
Restraint is taught, but used only for safety of other kids.

[ShorelineJohn]

1,565 cases of restraint, over 600 cases of isolation, (locked in a closet)? 1 state, 1 year.

[wizbang 13]

You think those were all zip tied in a dark closet?
“restrained” can mean held in a hug, blocking a blow to prevent hurting others .

[ShorelineJohn]

I sure would like to see how many K-6 Teachers have a long piece of Velcro in their desk! In my day it was a paddle today it seems to be a long piece of Velcro. And do it yourself, Google "Locked in a closet by the teacher".

[Nicholas Carey]

A good friend of ours has a child with ADHD and [had] ... behavioral issues. He was "restrained" and "secluded" like that multiple times in elementary and middle school.

Heidi sued Seattle Public Schools - twice, I think, over that sh*te. And won. Wound up having SPS paying her kid's tuition+board at a very expensive out-of-state special needs school. She also pushed for a law restricting the practice and both she and her kid testified in front the state legislature about it. The law passed (thanks, Heidi!).

See also this Florida cop arrested a 6-year old girl (natürlich, sie war eine Schwarzer), handcuffed her, threw her in the back of his police car and hauled her off to juvie. Her "crime"? She threw a tantrum in class.

Hawaii, 2021: Police handcuffed, interrogate and jailed a 10-year girl (also Black) because she drew an "offensive drawing" of a bully. https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/1...-upset-parent/

Also happens in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...ffed-1.5483456

I'm sure there are more.

[Nicholas Carey]

You think those were all zip tied in a dark closet?
“restrained” can mean held in a hug, blocking a blow to prevent hurting others .

"Restraint" doesn't mean "hugged". And seclusion isn't "go stand in the hall until you calm yourself down." In the case of my friend's child, it was literally locked in a dark closet. And IIRC, "restraint" was more like having your arm twisted behind your back and forced to comply.

The data from Missouri. Not a huge amount of details, but the do subdivide things somewhat.

mo-seclusion-and-restraint.jpg

[ShorelineJohn]

I am not saying it even a large percent, but if it is you or your child 1 in enough!
I really do wonder why a 6 year old would want to shoot his teacher. Shouldn't the teacher be a positive thing in his life?

[WI-Tom]

I am not saying it even a large percent, but if it is you or your child 1 in enough!
I really do wonder why a 6 year old would want to shoot his teacher. Shouldn't the teacher be a positive thing in his life?

The implication being that the teacher deserved to be shot, then?

I tend to be much more cautious about that kind of speculation. We know nothing about that child, or his teacher, or what made him bring a gun and shoot anyone. People in distress tend to lash out at any and all available targets.

Good thing he had access to a gun, though. 'Cause, Freedom!

Tom

[ShorelineJohn]

The implication being that the teacher deserved to be shot, then?

I tend to be much more cautious about that kind of speculation. We know nothing about that child, or his teacher, or what made him bring a gun and shoot anyone. People in distress tend to lash out at any and all available targets.

Good thing he had access to a gun, though. 'Cause, Freedom!

Tom

No Sir I am not saying that, at this point. Nobody deserves to be shot. But the possibility does exist that the child was responding to some other set of circumstances besides just being able to get his hands on a gun. I would like to know what this teacher's history is of punishment is, and I would like them to investigate more about the child he showed the gun to. But I am sure it was just a bad kid with a bad mother.
And I am not the gun nut you would make me out to be, I have never even owned one, and besides one summer camp in the boy scouts I have shot a gun twice in my life. And I do think that parents have even a larger responsibility than adults without kids in the house and we should have laws that reflect that.
But just so everybody will still make me out as a stupid redneck I think the only real "inalienable right" humans ever had, and it's more of a kneejerk action is to attempt to fight back.
And I would point out many countries, some we would call "third world" it is not illegal to attempt to escape jail because it is considered a unnatural state to be incarcerated.
Maybe there are reasons for our high incarceration rate, like we producing anti social juveniles that are basically being told they will be "dead or in jail" by the time they are 21.
We had a school shooting in Seattle, afterwards the students staged a protest, some called for tougher gun laws but all called for my "Army of mental health professionals" because what they are not, is stupid! They know and they see it.