the unhoused

[Paul Pless]

did we really need a new word for 'homeless'?

[TomF]

Be better if they could have the adjective "housed" instead.

I know some who are defiantly homeless by choice, but more who aren't. Some who consciously reject the whole "work for a living" thing, others whose addictions or mental health issues so screw them up that they won't ever be able to live somewhere that they're accountable to pay rent. And others who fall in between, and can float on the surface for awhile, then get caught by the undertow.

I've now known 2 people intimately who are experiencing addiction and mental health issues strongly enough that they get suicidal. In each case, the struggle is to believe, long term and against a lot of stacked up evidence, that one actually can build a life worth living. Which usually includes a home, a circle of people who love and respect you, and who you feel similarly about.

I'm not as judgmental about this as I was when I was in my 20s, and knew everything. ��

But yeah Paul. Shifting to a new adjective doesn't do much.

[bluedog225]

Control the words; control the thoughts.

[bluedog225]

“It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.” g.o.

[Jim Mahan]

Our problem with the homeless isn't really them. It's those of us who allow our society to have billionaires, a handful of individuals whose personal wealth increased nearly TWO TRILLION dollars since the pandemic, while we have those homeless and hungry and those who are dying from our obscene healthcare insurance industry.

If we were responsible as a society and made things fair and just we could still have extremely wealthy individuals, and the poor, but actually feed and house and take care of everyone. We only need the will to revolt against the Bezoses and Musks and the MIfckingC. We could do all that and still have everday low low prices and good shareholder value.

[Ted Hoppe]

In California we call them Disposable.

There is a huge industry built around it. Most liberals spend more time worrying about themselves while stepping over the houseless. Few would ever want them settling near them and the troubles they bring. Not everyone can live where the richest live their best lives. We show it everyday.

[Jim Bow]

An example: a 12 unit apartment building in Tacoma was home to some of the residents for over 30 years. Rents had grown just enough over time to pay for maintenance and a nice earning for the owner.
A couple of months ago, owner had health problems and had to sell. It was snatched up by a national chain of real estate holdings, and the occupants were given 6 months to prepare for a 300% rent increase. Most will have to find other places. Places already too expensive.

[Ralphie Boy]

A huge problem in CA. Los Angeles has over 60,000 homeless.

[Paul Pless]

how many homeless could we house and feed and provide mental and health care for for the cost of one new b21 raider?

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[MushCreek]

How many homeless could we feed and house with the money spent on running for public office?

[Ralphie Boy]

Over 150,000 homeless in the whole state.

[JimD]

Also hearing the term 'unsheltered'. So now they need neither a home nor a house. Some sort of shelter will suffice to assuage any sense of obligation those of us homed and housed might feel. A tent or a tarp, perhaps. Wait a minute. Most of them already have that. So problem solved.

[Canoez]

how many homeless could we house and feed and provide mental and health care for for the cost of one new b21 raider?

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…or Ford class aircraft carrier.

[TomF]

Being homeless is a lagging indicator. There are antecedents, before a person can't keep an address.

[David G]

Our problem with the homeless isn't really them. It's those of us who allow our society to have billionaires, a handful of individuals whose personal wealth increased nearly TWO TRILLION dollars since the pandemic, while we have those homeless and hungry and those who are dying from our obscene healthcare insurance industry.

If we were responsible as a society and made things fair and just we could still have extremely wealthy individuals, and the poor, but actually feed and house and take care of everyone. We only need the will to revolt against the Bezoses and Musks and the MIfckingC. We could do all that and still have everday low low prices and good shareholder value.

True. Very true.

But it doesn't address the issue of bootlessly mucking with the language.

[David G]

did we really need a new word for 'homeless'?

Prolly not. I'm not aware of any germane distinction between the two words... even in a bureaucratic, policy-making context. Anyone??

[L.W. Baxter]

we were “unelectrified” here for several hours today, the coldest day of the winter so far. tree down on the lines.

i am thankful to be not only housed, but plugged in to the comforts of a functional modern civilization.

[bluedog225]

Or spent on football?

[Ted Hoppe]

We could start giving them large wooden boats and the help and supplies to keep them up. Would be cheaper long term. Would also help other industries.

[Jim Bow]

To quote from “Nomadland”, “I’m not homeless, I’m houseless.”
The word “home” denotes a sense of comfort, maybe family, community. “House” is a physical structure.
Those folks in the groups of blue tarp covered tents and lean-to structures do have a familial sense of community.

“Don’t be judgmental, be curious.”

[TomF]

Oddly, the research shows that the most effective thing to help such folks get on their feet ... is to house and feed them. While homelessness is a lagging indicator, housing security is a primary human need. Nothing else gets fixed, or nearly nothing, so long as that's fragile.

Want someone to find the personal will to break addictions, or get out of crime, or get an education, or be a good rather than abusive parent? House them. Feed them. Don't make it contingent or conditional.

Some proportion will absolutely just grift, and fail. But a far larger proportion will actually get their feet under them than with any other policy options we've seen tried. The success rate is much better.

But it depends on us being willing to provide a service to people who we think are "undeserving." And that's the really hard sell, in terms of getting policy approved and implemented.

[L.W. Baxter]

it’s not necessarily about any perception of deservedness, tom.

speaking for myself, i despair at local solutions of housing and feeding.

as has been well proven by liberal cities, with the most compassionate and humane intentions. if you build it, they will come.

and the less compassionate and less humane will happily see them off.

we need a national solution.

[LeeG]

how many homeless could we house and feed and provide mental and health care for for the cost of one new b21 raider?

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Hey, that’s an investment in freedom.

[David G]

Oddly, the research shows that the most effective thing to help such folks get on their feet ... is to house and feed them. While homelessness is a lagging indicator, housing security is a primary human need. Nothing else gets fixed, or nearly nothing, so long as that's fragile.

Want someone to find the personal will to break addictions, or get out of crime, or get an education, or be a good rather than abusive parent? House them. Feed them. Don't make it contingent or conditional.

Some proportion will absolutely just grift, and fail. But a far larger proportion will actually get their feet under them than with any other policy options we've seen tried. The success rate is much better.

But it depends on us being willing to provide a service to people who we think are "undeserving." And that's the really hard sell, in terms of getting policy approved and implemented.

That seems to be what the folks in Salt Lake City are finding...

[Jim Bow]

how many homeless could we house and feed and provide mental and health care for for the cost of one new b21 raider?

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HoffPo November 2012

Report: 70 Percent Of Retired Generals Took Jobs With Defense Contractors Or Consultants

and I’ll bet those same generals golf and dine with politicians.

[Breakaway]

Unhoused points a finger. It implies homelessness was done upon the homeless.

Homeless is a neutral statement of fact. No blame is ascribed.


Kevin


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[Paul Pless]

HoffPo November 2012

Report: 70 Percent Of Retired Generals Took Jobs With Defense Contractors Or Consultants

and I’ll bet those same generals golf and dine with politicians.

no homeless generals eh?

[Too Little Time]

Oddly, the research shows that the most effective thing to help such folks get on their feet ... is to house and feed them.

But it depends on us being willing to provide a service to people who we think are "undeserving." And that's the really hard sell, in terms of getting policy approved and implemented.

Aside from the fact that the number of individuals in the building trades has dropped off due to the housing issues in 2008, most locations where there are homeless have laws prohibiting building suitable housing.

[David W Pratt]

did we really need a new word for 'homeless'?

"Formerly homeless" would be nice.
There is a need to focus on the causes of the homelessness, which, I suspect, are different for each person.

[Ted Hoppe]

They do not have to be houseless or without a home. Many of you could host them inside your residences or have the skills to build in-law units on your property and get them on their feet.

it does beg the question - do those without the ability to find affordable housing in desirable places to live deserve to live there? I am reminded daily of the great poor who live in dilapidated RV, cars, tents, who work in low paying jobs that service and feed the upper 60 percent. They are the working poor, in conditions that are miserable. Meanwhile thousands cross the border illegally each day and find support systems often better than these hidden citizens and workers get.

[Jimmy W]

What about those here that are homeless in one of the most impoverished parts of the US? Does Ted think they deserve to live here?

[Ted Hoppe]

What about those here that are homeless in one of the most impoverished parts of the US? Does Ted think they deserve to live here?

the cycle of poverty is learned. There is big difference between being poor and homeless. One can be poor but happy. Homeless is rarely a happy time.

We both are aware of many that left there poor and became succesful.

[David G]

the cycle of poverty is learned. There is big difference between being poor and homeless. One can be poor but happy. Homeless is rarely a happy time.

We both are aware of many that left there poor and became succesful.

OK, that one was a FULL bubble off.

[JimD]

Prolly not. I'm not aware of any germane distinction between the two words... even in a bureaucratic, policy-making context. Anyone??

For the quibblers among us, I'd say a house is a category of home.

[Ted Hoppe]

OK, that one was a FULL bubble off.

only an empty bottle liberal would think otherwise.