Nobody needs more than three bullets for hunting. If you do you’re just a bad hunter

[Decourcy]

https://youtu.be/CXRIfEhwqN8

[Steve McMahon]

Well put. You have convinced me that fully automatic assault rifles with quick change 30 round magazines should be perfectly legal for hunting in Canada.

[Decourcy]

Well put. You have convinced me that fully automatic assault rifles with quick change 30 round magazines should be perfectly legal for hunting in Canada.

That’s not what those were. But I guarantee they weren’t bolt guns with 3 rounds.

[Decourcy]

I’m sure you don’t know this, but the AR-15 was a legal hunting rifle in Canada for 20 years. Funny….I don’t think there was a carnage on the streets.



And yes, 20 and 30 rounds magazines were legal too

[Decourcy]

But really, this thread was more about the stupidity of the “three bullets” mantra constantly chanted than any particular gun

[Decourcy]

Also it’s about how freaky a swarm of hogs can be. Both my wife and I were attacked by our semi domesticated pigs when they got large enough to feel they have a chance. Not interested in having a dozen come at me. They are too damn smart for our good. Getting established in Canada now, with populations on the central plains, in the interior of BC, and here in the island.

[Steve McMahon]

But really, this thread was more about the stupidity of the “three bullets” mantra constantly chanted than any particular gun

Im sure the families and friends of the victims of the mass shootings in Canada over the last few decades that were committed with high capacity magazine weapons would totally agree with you.

[Steve McMahon]

Also it’s about how freaky a swarm of hogs can be. Both my wife and I were attacked by our semi domesticated pigs when they got large enough to feel they have a chance.

Indeed, judging by all the people killed by pigs in Canada there should be a law for mandatory training for anyone who keeps them. Probably should be limits on how many they are allowed to have.

[Decourcy]

Indeed, judging by all the people killed by pigs in Canada there should be a law for mandatory training for anyone who keeps them. Probably should be limits on how many they are allowed to have.

They are a rapidly breeding introduced species that will become dangerous as interactions become more common. Joke if you wish, but it’s a real problem. And they are free and wild and breeding all on their own. Alberta and BC may very well see Texas numbers in 40 years if we don’t start dealing with it.

[Decourcy]

You’ll be happy to learn that the gun I bought today is a bolt gun that only holds 4 rounds. I know 4 means I’m still a terrible shot, but sadly the manufacturer insisted.

[bluedog225]

That was crazy. Tree time. 30 isn’t enough.

[Decourcy]

That was crazy. Tree time. 30 isn’t enough.

Thats what my wife said. “Thank god pigs can’t climb!”

[JayInOz]

My favourite old rifle- my 6mm Remington- held one in the chamber and four in the magazine, and there were many, many times when it wasn't enough. JayInOz

[Joe (SoCal)]

Yawwwwwwn the wild boar AR-15 excuse
This excuse has been beaten like a dead horse.

How about we take all you gun nuts to see what little first graders bodies look like after an AR-15 tears though them. Then tell me again about the wild boar excuse again.

A Uvalde coroner is haunted by identifying the bodies of children and an old friend


He saw first-hand what a semi-automatic can do to kids


Diaz did not describe the scene in detail. Instead, he said, "It's something you never want to see and it's something you don't, you cannot, prepare for. It's a picture that's going to stay in my head forever, and that's where I'd like for it to stay."
He says he has no intention of ever sharing exactly what he saw.

The AR-15, which is the weapon used by the gunman at Robb Elementary, is designed to blow targets apart. It's a weapon built for war. And when fired into a human adult body, its bullets travel with such fierce velocity that they can decapitate a person, or leave a body looking "like a grenade went off in there," as Peter Rhee, a trauma surgeon at the University of Arizona, told Wired. The carnage the weapon leaves behind has become a signature of school shootings and other mass shootings across the country.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/31/11020...and-an-old-fri

[Decourcy]

6mm is a great round. What’s the rifle?

My brother in law uses his dads old 6mm for deer in BC (he lives in Alberta). I refinished it for him years ago but I’m damned if I can remember what it was.

[Nicholas Carey]

https://youtu.be/CXRIfEhwqN8

Problem is that those boars ain't gonna pay no never mind to no 5.56 rounds. They might die in the end, but they'll rip you to shreds before they do.

Used to have a friend who did a boar hunt once a year. He liked to kick it old-school with primitive weapons. He was an SCA guy (Society for a Creative Anachronism), so he wore a welded stainless steel chainmail hauberk over a gambeson. Used a boar spear (essentially a spear with a crossbar below the head. You ground the spear with your foot and arrange for the boar to skewer itself when it charges you. The crossbar is there to prevent the boar from driving up the shaft after being stuck and killing you.

The SCA is all about "the Middle Ages as they should have been" -- he also carried a Colt M1911 in "condition 1" (aka "cocked and locked") on his belt as backup.

[Decourcy]

Problem is that those boars ain't gonna pay no never mind to no 5.56 rounds. They might die in the end, but they'll rip you to shreds before they do.

Used to have a friend who did a boar hunt once a year. He liked to kick it old-school with primitive weapons. He was an SCA guy (Society for a Creative Anachronism), so he wore a welded stainless steel chainmail hauberk over a gambeson. Used a boar spear (essentially a spear with a crossbar below the head. You ground the spear with your foot and arrange for the boar to skewer itself when it charges you. The crossbar is there to prevent the boar from driving up the shaft after being stuck and killing you.

The SCA is all about "the Middle Ages as they should have been" -- he also carried a Colt M1911 in "condition 1" (aka "cocked and locked") on his belt as backup.

Yes, when I put my pigs down I ended up using 12 gauge slugs to the head. Wasn’t taking chances.

Theres a reason why the Middle Ages boar hunt was the “manly game” of the time. They are dangerous.

AR can be chambered in lots of things other than .223. I’ve something “AR like” in 300 blackout and I think I’d much prefer that. If I couldn’t get a 450 bushmaster or 50 Beowulf that is….

[Nicholas Carey]

Yes, when I put my pigs down I ended up using 12 gauge slugs to the head. Wasn’t taking chances.

Theres a reason why the Middle Ages boar hunt was the “manly game” of the time. They are dangerous.

AR can be chambered in lots of things other than .223. I’ve something “AR like” in 300 blackout and I think I’d much prefer that. If I couldn’t get a 450 bushmaster or 50 Beowulf that is….

If I was hunting wild boar, I'd be lugging a Marlin lever action in .45-70 or Marlin .444 Magnum. Maybe a Savage 99 lever action in .300 Savage.

[Decourcy]

If I was hunting wild boar, I'd be lugging a Marlin lever action in .45-70 or Marlin .444 Magnum. Maybe a Savage 99 lever action in .300 Savage.

All fine rifles. Although I’m a win ‘94 man (my first centre fire was one of these in .32 special when 16) I do like the 99. But today, I’d take a semi.

[Hugh MacD]

If I was hunting wild boar, I'd be lugging a Marlin lever action in .45-70 or Marlin .444 Magnum. Maybe a Savage 99 lever action in .300 Savage.

I'm not sure a .300 Savage would do the job, but you can get the Model 99 Savage in .308 Win which might do the job on a boar. I have my Dad's old .300 and it's a sweet rifle, but the ballistics aren't much more than a 30.30...but you can use a spire point bullet which improves things a bit over the old Winchesters with the tubular magazine which required a flat point. But I suspect I'll be restricting my "wild boar" hunting to the deli counter at the local meat market

[Decourcy]

I'm not sure a .300 Savage would do the job, but you can get the Model 99 Savage in .308 Win which might do the job on a boar. I have my Dad's old .300 and it's a sweet rifle, but the ballistics aren't much more than a 30.30...but you can use a spire point bullet which improves things a bit over the old Winchesters with the tubular magazine which required a flat point. But I suspect I'll be restricting my "wild boar" hunting to the deli counter at the local meat market

Hornady introduced plastic tipped spires for tubular magazines. I use them in my ‘94

[JayInOz]

I've killed several hundred wild pigs. Of those killed with a rifle (as opposed to a bow) probably close to half were killed with a humble .22. Most of the others with a .22 magnum, .222 or 6mm Remington (model 788 in left handed) The only round I really didn't like on big boars was a seventy grain hollow point in the 6mm as they tended to explode on impact. Much preferred hundred grain soft nose with a slower powder. Shot placement is critical with a .22. The bigger the calibre the less it seems to matter JayInOz

[Nicholas Carey]

A .22 will do it. The problem is when a boar -- or the entire sounder of boars, as in that video -- is gunning for you.

Then you want some muscle.

[Tom from Rubicon]

I am partial to my 30-30 Winchester using 150gr hollow points, that are safe to use in a tube mag..
1 shot always. Wild boars? Always be by a tree you can climb fast.

Tom

[Bob (oh, THAT Bob)]

I guessed wild boar but had to stop the video to be sure. Then I was like, "Snow?!" I hadn't realized they ranged that far north!

5.56/.223 ("AR" standard caliber) is actually considered very light power as a center-fire hunting round. It was designed to be a fraction of the size and weight of the older .30 caliber (30-06 and .308) military rounds (so can carry more) while still being capable of killing enemy soldiers, but I guarantee you it is LESS lethal than any of the .30 caliber rounds, including .30 Russian. Also, 5.56 has a lot less recoil so the rifle can be a lot lighter. So, lethal, yes, but not designed to be especially so, and I say that because they could have made it more lethal with expanding bullets, but that violates the Geneva Convention. The media have made a lot about the fact that 5.56 bullets tumble; They were not designed to; Smaller diameter bullets have inherently less angular momentum, so to stabilize them, they need to be spun faster (like 1:7", i.e., one turn every 7 inches, versus 1:12" for .30 caliber and like 1:44" for a 45 caliber bullet), even more so if the bullet is small diameter but long for its length, like the newer 5.56 bullets designed to better penetrate armor. And that faster spin makes it tumble more when it hits something. But not by design, as if intentional, that also runs afoul of Geneva Convention.

But all military calibers are, by design, inherently efficient rounds in terms of power versus resources to make the cartridge, which, in addition to lower cost due to commonality, is why so many hunters and target shooters choose rifles in a military caliber.

I had also thought 3 rounds was enough, in fact I *shortened* the 5 round magazine on a first model BLR (because it stuck way out the bottom of the receiver, looked "pregnant") to 3 rounds which fit flush, in an especially professional job if I do say so myself, the mag looked "factory" and the rifle better overall. (I modified an additionally purchased magazine and left the original one untouched at 5 rounds.) But, by the way, ***in the same way I shortened this magazine, you could easily LENGTHEN a magazine from 5-10 rounds to 20+ rounds by simply grafting magazines together, thus totally obviating limits on magazine size.*** These days, you wouldn't even need to weld, there are high tech adhesives and even very strong tapes that would accomplish this.

The Brits and Scots in their hunts of driven bird game, they didn't need semi auto, just two double barrel shotguns and a "gun handler" who is constantly handing you a freshly loaded one and then reloading the other. What did Neil Young say... "A man needs a maid..."?

Another reason for a self-loading rifle (pic may be too small to see, but under that smokey-bear hat, the guy's eyes are WIDE OPEN):

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[BrianW]

How about we take all you gun nuts to see what little first graders bodies look like after an AR-15 tears though them. Then tell me again about the wild boar excuse again.

A Uvalde coroner is haunted by identifying the bodies of children and an old friend


He saw first-hand what a semi-automatic can do to kids

Absolute liberal bull****. The bullet an AR-15 can shoot is no different from the same bullet fired from a single shot rifle chambered in the same cartridge. Nor does it matter if it's shot from a semi-automatic, or a single shot. The damage is the same.

I can agree it's horrible, and something you'd never want to see, but it's not different because it came from an AR.

The liberal concept that schools are gun free zones only increases the odds that a bad guy is is the only one at a school with a gun.

I don't carry a gun, but I'm damn not stupid enough to believe the liberal philosophy that gun free zones make people safer.

[JayInOz]

Hey Brian maybe your republican buddies can do a study of catastrophic injuries on small children after a few more school massacres with Ars and similar cartridges in other guns. And anybody can see than a gun free zone couldn't possibly be safer for people than a zone full of guns. Have I got that right?

[Nicholas Scheuer]

Folks maybe want 30-round rifles same as cops like to fire the whole 9mm magazine at an unarmed perp. To my mind, if a cop can't drop someone with two shots, he or she needs more practice on the range.

[Paul Pless]

brian, the uvalde shooter did fire 142 rounds into that classroom, killing twenty one people, mostly children
it was a massacre and its sure as **** not a scene i would ever want to nor ever be prepared to see
i think the local coroner is allowed his opinion

i don't know what the solution is to firearms deaths in america given the current political climate and gun rights trajectory we are on
i'm as enthusiastic a firearms owner, collector, user, hunter, sportsman, afficionado as anybody; it pains me to see the division such a comment creates amongst people with differing opinions on the subject

honestly, i don't think much can nor will be done in my lifetime to bring the two sides together, this is one of those ridiculous wedges that the politicos drive between us

Absolute liberal bull****. The bullet an AR-15 can shoot is no different from the same bullet fired from a single shot rifle chambered in the same cartridge. Nor does it matter if it's shot from a semi-automatic, or a single shot. The damage is the same.

I can agree it's horrible, and something you'd never want to see, but it's not different because it came from an AR.

The liberal concept that schools are gun free zones only increases the odds that a bad guy is is the only one at a school with a gun.

I don't carry a gun, but I'm damn not stupid enough to believe the liberal philosophy that gun free zones make people safer.

[Decourcy]

You know what would help Paul? Liberals not grouping every gun owner in with murderers. It’s like saying every driver is a hit and run drunk driver that just hasn’t done it yet. Such bull****.

It’s liberals driving the wedge.



Do you remember the comment from Joe that put him on my ignore? On a thread to do with deer hunting he suggested that I was no better that a man that goes to a schoolyard and shoots kids. Not only beyond belief but not a single person here called him on that bull****.

[Breakaway]

Hey Brian maybe your republican buddies can do a study of catastrophic injuries on small children after a few more school massacres with Ars and similar cartridges in other guns. And anybody can see than a gun free zone couldn't possibly be safer for people than a zone full of guns. Have I got that right?

I think what Brian is stating, Jay, is that someone intent on murder, and ignoring laws against homicide and assault, is not likely to pay attention to a sign indicating a gun free zone.

Kevin




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[Durnik]

Hmm.. liberals driving the wedge.. hmmm.. ain't liberals want the right to open threaten.. er, open showoff.. er, carry in public.

as for hogs.. this country boy grew up on a farm.. cows, chickens, geese (the worst!), goats (2nd worst), and pigs.. and having only 2 sisters, it was my job to feed/water/clean up after those critters (plus assorted dogs and cats). dad had one gun, a lever marlin 22.. as a 5 yr old & up, I don't remember ever being scared of the pigs. Ever.

but you never turned your back on a goose!

ymmv, imho, yadda, yadda, yadda


and get the hoplophiles to recognize guns are for specific uses (hunting, target, collecting?), and should _never_ be carried - open or concealed - in urban environs and maybe something will happen. lord knows I didn't need one on a rural (no neighbors) farm with dangerous (geese (-: ) critters.

but when I see an idiot w/ a gun in a grocery store, I either watch them very carefully.. or just leave the cart and walk out. F' that crap. anyone stupid enough to pull that stunt shouldn't be allowed to even touch a firearm. amazingly, I've only ever had to walk out maybe 3 times in the last few years.. amazingly, this is rural 'trying to be as toxic as TX' TN. (eta: the greatest offenders seem to be TSC folk.. those gals washing their dogs must be scary.. 0-: )


"The Gun Lobby’s interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies – the militia – would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires." - Justice Warren Burger

[Decourcy]

Yes, liberals. By grouping every single gun owner together, and grouping with the worst. Look at your comments. Every gun owner wants to “open threaten” etc etc, then you go on to say that you walk out of a store if you see someone carrying and you’ve only had to do it three times.
Get real

Most gun owners are like me. And I’m nothing like the gun packing school shooting mass murderer that liberals group me with.

As for hogs, let them go feral then have 50 of them run at you and get back to me. Domestic pigs and feral are nothing the same, although the traits are there in the domestic.

[Decourcy]

This thread was about a hog hunt video. And about how the “no-one needs more than three bullets” trope constantly trotted out is obviously (to a hunter) a stupid comment. It’s the liberals here that turned it into something else. Coulda just commented on “wow that’s a lot of pigs”, but no, it’s all killing kids and open carry.

[Paul Pless]

this thread is a troll
pretty good one too