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    For years Iíve been hoping for a Sarah 2.0 thread. Or just any thread.

    Even this has taken me months to type a few words. According to the date on the computer, I last saved this document, which consisted of the first two sentences on August 7th. And thatís not when I started it. Itís when I saved it after letting it sit open on the desktop for weeks. Then I added a few paragraphs in October.

    There are hundreds of reasons, and Iíll try not to bother you with too many, but I am absolutely broken when it comes to Sarah. And itís nothing new, itís been going on for years. She sits in the boatyard going on at least ten years hauled out. Sheís tarped and covered and in good hands, but I barely go down and check on her.

    For a while I attempted to do projects here and there, but I think the last major project was Awl-griping the cabin top. I redid all of the varnish that year too, but it must have been five years ago. With the boat being tarped and Awlgrip being what it is, thatís fine but now, if I had the energy, Iíd need to sand and redo the mile of toe rail and cabin trim.

    Iíve just got to find someone new to love her. For years I couldnít wait to get down to the yard and work on her. Even if it was just a couple of hours after work, I just couldnít wait. There was genuine pleasure in every task. Everything I learned, everything we completed.

    Now when I think of Sarah my heart just hurts. Itís a physical hurt. Something twisting inside. And then, like now, the tears start. Iím just so broken, I donít know what to do or where to start, so I do nothing. She is so beautiful, and she deserves better than I have given her these past few years. I promised her once that weíd grow old together. Weíre both growing older, but separately.

    The yard bill comes in every month, and they have my credit card, so I just hit delete. Iím pretty sure itís wrong, the price changes every couple of months, but Iím too broken to even call them and ask what theyíre charging me for.

    There are still a lot of threads here, but the website is lost. I looked once and found most of the text in the way back time machine or something, but all of the pictures are gone. I let another owner have concordiayawl.com, and he was going to keep sailingwithsarah.com hosted, but that didnít happen.

    Iíve had her listed with a broker, and Iíve run print and digital ads in Wooden Boat. The last print ad was a couple of hundred dollars (maybe more), and I got exactly one response, and he was looking to trade vessels or work. Not even remotely tangible.

    You all probably got it too, but a few months ago there was an email blast on a Concordia. One that sounded in better shape than Sarah for around 45k. I think the owner was ill or something. After weeks of letting that sit in my inbox, I reached out to the broker. I identified myself and said I didnít want to waste his time, but if he could spare a few minutes to reply I was interested in whether or not he had many responses to the email campaign. Never heard back. Crickets.

    The broker who had Sarah listed was a friend, and I think doing it as a favor, and I donít think he didnít keep the ad active on Yacht World. The couple of times I checked didnít come up on a search of Concordias for sale. And it wasnít like I was checking every day; Iíd go six months or a year without looking. Iíd ask him and it would reappear but then be gone again. Then he got cancer and didnít want to bother him. Finally, his sign got so sunburned it blew away or the zip ties broke. Anyway, we took down the remnants and put up a For Sale sign with my phone number, but the yard is gated and anyone driving through already has their own project LOL The broker recently got one inquiry, so it must be listed somewhere. Heís out of the country and I donít think my gate card works anymore.

    The Art and Melinda saga was so sad. I watched Melinda deteriorate and the Seattle center where she was try to work with him, and I wondered how in the world that he could let something he loved so much and worked on so hard just sit there and rot, and now here I am.

    I reached out to Concordia +/- 5 years ago. Brodieís response was brief and along the lines of Ďthereís a lot of them like that.í As far as I know, IRYS wonít take a project without an endowment. I wouldnít mind helping someone, but I canít just give IYRS a blank check. Iím not and never will be in that league.

    But speaking of helping someone that was interested in her, it wasnít listed in the ad, but I always planned to include the utility trailer, tools, materials, everything that I ever bought for her.

    While sheís sat in the boatyard all these years, everything that could come off of the boat has been stored in the garage. Sails, cushions, even the hatches are off and in the garage, all varnished and waiting to go back on. I just know thereís no use putting them on until sheís back in service. Otherwise, like so many other things, the varnish will ruin, and itíll have to be redone. Again. The sails are new. Main, mizzen and a new roller furling jib. The cockpit cushions might have been used a dozen times. The interior cushions that I spent so much time sourcing material to match the original were paid for and put on the boat long enough to take photos for what was supposed to be the Yacht World listing. Theyíve sat in protective bags in the garage ever since.

    Thereís so much that just needs to be installed: the W&P shipís bell, bronze cabin lights I paid a fortune to have Concordia cast, even a gimbled vase for the salon so she could have fresh flowers. Thereís so much just sitting here.

    Dave and I started with nothing. No tools to speak of, no resources until we found the Forum. Nothing but a boat that had sat for years in the boatyard and that we bought at a sheriffs auction and paid the yard bill.

    It just seems like there must be someone out there to love her. I could give the right person so much. So many materials, the tools Iíll never use (like who needs two Fein shopvacs...), even the tool trailer and the cannon that was her launching gift from the Forum. I feel like the canon belongs to her. I just need someone to love her.

    A couple of times I was approached by someone wanting to partner and put her in charter. At the time I turned down the suggestion(s), but now that I see several nice boats earning their keep up in New England waters, I realize that might be a way to get her into service.

    Iím sorry to pour my heart out. I just donít know what to do.

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    Damn. I don't have much advice for you as it is not my style or make of boat and I do not really know your part of the world and hence have no suggestons.

    Only that I hear you and sincerely hope you find a solution for her.

    All the best,

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    All my sympathy goes out to you. As you know there are a number of Sarah's class on the market and have been for a while. The list changes every year but there are (sadly) always too many for the market to bear.

    They are such a fine pedigree. When I was a child on Cape Cod in the sixties there were four of them on moorings in our small harbor. I thought ALL cruising sail boats were Concordias. I only got to sail on one once from Nantucket Sound to Massachusetts' North Shore in a stiff breeze before the Marblehead-Halifax race. It was like riding a thoroughbred racehorse and I'll never forget it.
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    I always thought these boats were highly sought after.
    I sure hope you find a buyer.
    What has the Florida heat been doing to the planking?
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    Thank you for sharing. You can certainly pour your heart out here (of all places) about a wooden boat in which you have invested so much! Many of us followed along on your rebuild.

    She is still listed on line. I hope she finds her next owner soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    I always thought these boats were highly sought after.
    I sure hope you find a buyer.
    What has the Florida heat been doing to the planking?
    Florida? The vessel is ten years stored dry in FLORIDA!!!???
    that is not good

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    Florida? The vessel is ten years stored dry in FLORIDA!!!???
    that is not good
    She'd been out 7+ years when we launched her. It's more the sun on the decks and bright work. Tarps cover that to the greatest degree possible, but it all needs to be redone. Again.

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    You could put an ad on craigslist. You'll get some tire-kickers and people without the means to actually launch her, but you also might get lucky.

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    I'm so sorry to hear this Margo - but I understand how it can happen.

    I think one of the big issues is selling a wood sailboat in Florida - they just aren't in demand there. I think she'd do much better in New England - but 1) how to get her there & 2) you'd still have yard bills.

    My Concordia story: As a 13 YO, my folks had a 26 ft. wood sloop - kinda funky. In the yacht club, the queen of the fleet was a Concordia & to top it off, the family that owned her had an absolutely gorgeous 15YO blond daughter who would deign to notice me every 3 weeks or so - perfectly timed to get my fantasies going & then dash them.
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    I have bought and sold many boats over the years, some of them wood. I have had boats listed for sale for years without a single nibble.

    www.sailingtexas.com has a pretty good free listing site, and I did get some bites on the glass Dragon there. Facebook marketplace is also pretty easy to fool with.

    I never thought Iíd be Dragonless again, but it comes to a point where you keep spending 10-20 thousand dollars and you wind up right back where you started. And when you count up the hours spent actually on the water, wellÖ.

    I wish I knew a way to help.

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    Sorry to hear that. I've been involved with giving and taking free or cheap boats, and helped friends try to save them. We all love these boats, but like people, we can't save them all. No boat lives forever, don't let yours destroy you.

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    very sorry to hear your struggle with this margo
    i hope as always for the best for you and for sarah
    know this, no matter what ultimately happens sarah was a part of your life that brought you much happiness,
    she helped to create and strengthen many relationships
    i would have never met you had it not been for your concordia
    my life and many others have been much enriched by you and dave and sarah
    i know that i am not alone in that
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    Very well said, Paul.
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    Life is change and change is life. It is good, that you have identified, that it is time for you to move on. And it is good as well, that you are trying to find a new home for your boat. All the very best!

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    Wooden boats are more ethereal than we want to realize. Our relationships with them are much like love affairs. Those around these lover affairs wax and wane,
    come and go. It is part of the journey of these seabirds. even those with great skills, the burden of such things is about act of true love and respect. Sarah may or may not find that next lover. It will have to be despite the pain you feel. it is part of the beautiful sorrow with such an old boat or one who holds a broken heart.

    Margo, you are not alone. The wonderful friendships made these many years is out of your shared love.

    I am also in a similar crossroads, I have a great historical race sailboat that I have tried to sell for years. In fact I did sell her but she returned last year and I took her back. I am at a loss now as she has sits waiting for the next caretaker taking resources and cash better spent on quality of life. I too poured hundreds of hours this year to get her ready again to go out. No body has stepped up despite her seaworthiness and speed. She is out of vogue despite being glorious. I would give her away but more fear a free wooden boat regardless of the shape she is in. It will pain me in the next month to do something I would have thought unthinkable just three years ago.

    Saying goodbye to an old love is right. No body will fault you for what ever descision you make. The short term pain and loss that is coming will result in a reflective, happier and healthier era to come.
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    Do we still miss our wooden boat? Sometimes a little bit. Would we still be willing and able to live the wooden boat owner lifestyle? Would we still be able to honour the commitment that owning a wooden boat is? No. Things are as they are. Life is change. Wooden boat ownership is a lifestyle. As everything in the world, it is not for eternity.

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    When youíve made a big emotional investment in a boat, as you and Dave did, itís hard to move on. I feel your pain.

    Iím inclined to agree with Garret that the market for a Concordia yawl is probably stronger in New England, as is the availability of brokers who know the boats and people who know their maintenance. Maybe at this time of year, the demand for northbound trucking might be light, with correspondingly lower cost.

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    Margo, I read over the OP , then did some searching - seems I recall 'ChuckT' as rebuilding a Concordia near here in Lexington, SC some years back. Any chance a current Concordia skipper could 'network' a referral to someone who expressed interest in the yacht - " Lovely yacht you have skipper, I'd love to have one" " It so happens I know of one in great condition, with lots of the bits,etc. included " [ some words to that effect ]
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye54 View Post
    Margo, I read over the OP , then did some searching - seems I recall 'ChuckT' as rebuilding a Concordia near here in Lexington, SC some years back. Any chance a current Concordia skipper could 'network' a referral to someone who expressed interest in the yacht - " Lovely yacht you have skipper, I'd love to have one" " It so happens I know of one in great condition, with lots of the bits,etc. included " [ some words to that effect ]
    That is not fair to do anything but be supportive of her, not the boat. it was never about the boat but the vessel that held some great times, loving memories and for a long moment of shared passion.

    Margo really needs to walk away. She has done so much already. Every month she continues is costing her more without any chance of recovery, prolonging the unavoidable. Moving on will allow others to either find Sarah without lingering relationships or take those valuable jewels off her to build their life's dream. It is the nature of things. It is the ways of wooden boats. It is the way of love.
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    A very hard problem Margo, one that I also have. I was able to store mine at no cost so she's stored , stable and waiting.
    I have no answers except to agree, it's time .

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    I’m in the same boat as John. Free storage for Talisman in a bow roof shed in the driveway for the last 10 years or so. I’ve done some of the work she needs but not all. I’ve been thinking of her as a future retirement project but we will see. We’ve got a similar classic plastic boat, too, so we are spending time on the water still.

    I’d think some young IRYS graduate would jump at the chance to bring back a boat of this pedigree but I guess they just wouldn’t have the resources. What is the European market like for classic wooden sailboats?

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    I would try getting in touch with the editors of the Concordian. They may well be the best resource.

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    I'm struck by the fact that this thread and http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...6-Any-thoughts are swapping back and forth at the top of this area of the WBF.

    One at the beginning, the other at the end.
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    The market for traditional boats is not an easy one in Germany. Such a boat always needs an enthusiast, either with an own "boatyard" or with deep pockets. On the other side, there are not that many Concordias in Germany as the boat was built by Abeking and Rasmussen (!) for export, I believe specifically for export to the US of A. Also, boating has taken a big upswing during Covid and there just might be someone who wants to step up one or two sizes. Six ideas:

    1. 41 foot is already a size where the market becomes international. The cost of international transport are not that high and would not turn away a serious buyer. A broker who specializes in classic boats (Now Robbe and Berking, formerly Baum and KŲnig): https://classic-yachts.com/baum-koenig-yachtmarkler/ I am not connected, I do not know anything about them apart from the fact that they specialize in classics.

    2. The German group for classic yachts https://www.fky.org/

    3. There is a charterer specializing in classic yachts https://www.classic-yachtcharter.de/

    4. Martin Schulz from the Museumshafen Flensburg used to post here on the forum. He is in the classic boat scene in Germany and might have ideas https://museumshafen-flensburg.de/de/ https://museumshafen-flensburg.de/de...d/61-impressum

    5. Not sure if Abeking and Rasmussen would be able and willing to help in any way, but it just might be worth a try https://www.abeking.com/en/

    6. Classic Boat Magazine in the UK might be another place for advertising a classic (besides Wooden Boat Magazine) https://www.classicboat.co.uk/ We sold our woody through an advert in that mag.

    Getting in touch with the above might not hurt. In the end, you only need to find one person who takes her on ... The marketing will involve some work and likely some frustration - that is as it is. We only found one person who actually looked at our boat when we wanted to sell - and had to sell because of an upcoming move. That person bought the boat, it had ticked all his boxes.
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    These boats were rich peoples toys . The same people today will buy an 80 foot Oyster. I think there is very little overlap for their usefulness today , as they most likely all need new framing( a few hundred grand to hire out).
    Sadness indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    These boats were rich peoples toys . The same people today will buy an 80 foot Oyster. I think there is very little overlap for their usefulness today , as they most likely all need new framing( a few hundred grand to hire out).
    Sadness indeed
    About 10 years ago, I saw a complete reframe of a Concordia done for about 70K. Not saying that's chump change, but certainly less than 200K.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    About 10 years ago, I saw a complete reframe of a Concordia done for about 70K. Not saying that's chump change, but certainly less than 200K.
    Have you noticed the price of lumber lately? Not to mention labor....

    Which is not to say the shipwrights don't deserve a better than living wage. The income gap between those who do the work on these boats and those who pay to have it done is a wide one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stromborg View Post
    Have you noticed the price of lumber lately? Not to mention labor....

    Which is not to say the shipwrights don't deserve a better than living wage. The income gap between those who do the work on these boats and those who pay to have it done is a wide one.
    It was a friend who did it and his rates have not gone up. As far as the wood goes, 1) prices are (slowly) dropping, & 2) the wood is a tiny part of the job compared to the labor.
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    That pesky fancy interior is in the way . This boat is now ten years older.
    not saying Margo’s boat is shot or broken…… but everyone I have inspected is or was.

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    Margo has already rebuilt the structure of the boat. . .
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    There is no further return upon investment in this Concordia. The potential great beauty is offset with the amount of money and time required. It was and is a lightly built, elegant classic, only meant to last less than 2 decades at most or so without serious restoration. It is an error to promote to a small, dwindling market, not fair either to someone who needs to end this affair of the heart and get out from underneath it. Bruce rightly points out the direction of the new wealthy sailboat owners. Sailing is dying and the cost to continue in this wooden boat folly makes it a high wall to overcome.

    again, I find it disappointing that my fellow forumites do not look to personal effort and time as an expense. If you thought it clever and easy - go get this lovely boat yourself and spend your fortune and time.
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    I feel for you Margo, and yes, had it not been for Sarah we would not have had the opportunity to meet in person either.
    I have a lingering thought that I too may find myself in a similar situation one day,… tough decisions.
    I don't know if it might be a viable consideration for either you or Sarah, Mystic Seaport has a donor program called Yachts on Display that may be something to look into.
    Wishing you a Merry Christmas.

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    Has listing it in the "Save a Classic" section of WoodenBoat Magazine been suggested?
    It would be a perfect fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Has listing it in the "Save a Classic" section of WoodenBoat Magazine been suggested?
    It would be a perfect fit.
    I have friends here who ended up swapping their Concordia for another boat that fit their needs better. It took a while for them to come to that conclusion and find someone to swap with.
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    Thanks for letting us know margo. I've thought about Sarah over the years, hoping that you'd sold her.
    There are some good ideas above....let me think.

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