Any thoughts?

[WoodenJay]

I am trying to figure out what boat is in this photo. Or even just a general time period. It's got a dual screw inboard. Can't see mast configuration. Really not a whole lot to go on here. Thanks in advance!

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[Gordon Bartlett]

Looks cool but, twin screws from one engine? Doesn't that sound more complicated than need be? I guess I'm not crazy about complicated where it's not called for.
Sorry, no idea what she is.

[johngsandusky]

She's a beauty. Do you know any dimensions?
Welcome aboard!

[Ian McColgin]

Twin screws allow sufficient blade area to get your horses into the water. Otherwise you'd need a bigger diameter prop with complications as to how everything fits together.

[sp_clark]

Evident weed growth gives me shivers over what she's being exposed to being stored like that for very long.

Any way you can get pics from closer in than that first'n posted WJ?

[Treeguyus]

Evident weed growth gives me shivers over what she's being exposed to being stored like that for very long.

Any way you can get pics from closer in than that first'n posted WJ?

Very observant.....thank you......would concern me as well...

[The Q]

Engine added later, twin screws, avoids drilling through existing hull on the Centreline which wasn't design for it which would also require major rudder changes.

[WoodenJay]

So I was able to get some information after posting. It's a 1938 Rhodes 34' Lake-One. Manufactured by the Skaneateles Boat and Canoe Co. I guess this one has a Volvo Penta in it, which would not have been the original, which might explain the dual screws. I did find a previous listing for it that shows some better angles and a better idea how she's been stored.
http://www.antiqueboatamerica.com/Bo...Lake_One_41970

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[sp_clark]

OK so what's motivating your apparent interest in this 'rescue' boat? You thinking maybe you can pick up the threads of the cloth the seller'd picked out of the drain & weave something lasting out of it?

In Buffalo NY, maybe stored outside. Had a cover at one time? Was that after your borrowed image was taken?

"Fiberglass" preservative injection would scare me off....

Here's hoping you have deep pockets & are of a resilient character.

[Bobcat]

It might be single screw, especially if the engine was added after the boat was built. Some designs had the shaft at an angle and avoided drilling through the stern post and adding an aperture for the propeller.

[Ian McColgin]

I worked on one of these.

Firstly, single screw, off set. Engine centered so shaft a slight angle which helped counter the off-set prop when going ahead and contributed to psychosis astern.

Actually, when you get the hang of the wicked port kick in reverse, you can do some pretty cool docking.

This boat has nearly infinite sites for rot. Cheaper and faster to save the salvageable rigging, gear, cabin furniture, and such and build virtually anew - keeping the keel, which might be iron - so's to say she's the same boat.

[stromborg]

$60,000?!

Pretty rough looking for that kind of money...though all I see is what's on my computer screen.

[WoodenJay]

$60,000?!

Pretty rough looking for that kind of money...though all I see is what's on my computer screen.

I have the opportunity to take her on for a very, very tiny fraction of that price.

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[WoodenJay]

It might be single screw, especially if the engine was added after the boat was built. Some designs had the shaft at an angle and avoided drilling through the stern post and adding an aperture for the propeller.

Good info, that idea never crossed my mind.

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[WoodenJay]

OK so what's motivating your apparent interest in this 'rescue' boat? You thinking maybe you can pick up the threads of the cloth the seller'd picked out of the drain & weave something lasting out of it?

In Buffalo NY, maybe stored outside. Had a cover at one time? Was that after your borrowed image was taken?

"Fiberglass" preservative injection would scare me off....

Here's hoping you have deep pockets & are of a resilient character.

I have the opportunity to grab it for pennies on the dollar and it is located about 15 minutes from my house and shop. My father and I have been taking on wooden boats to work on, and this seems like a crime of opportunity more than anything. It's a beautiful boat, seems like a waste to let it rot out and not try to save it.

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[Hugh MacD]

I have the opportunity to grab it for pennies on the dollar and it is located about 15 minutes from my house and shop. My father and I have been taking on wooden boats to work on, and this seems like a crime of opportunity more than anything. It's a beautiful boat, seems like a waste to let it rot out and not try to save it.

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I'd be inclined to offer to take it out of his yard, but would be very reluctant to part with any additional funds. Maybe an offer on the trailer that you might recoup later. But good on ya if you take it on! I agree that it's a beautiful boat and a waste, but you'll be many, many thousands into rebuilding her.

[Paul Pless]

I have the opportunity to take her on for a very, very tiny fraction of that price.

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$600 would be about the right number

[WoodenJay]

$600 would be about the right number

It's less than that, lol.

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[WoodenJay]

I'd be inclined to offer to take it out of his yard, but would be very reluctant to part with any additional funds. Maybe an offer on the trailer that you might recoup later. But good on ya if you take it on! I agree that it's a beautiful boat and a waste, but you'll be many, many thousands into rebuilding her.

That is the idea actually. Incidentally, the Buffalo Maritime Association is in the midst of a complete restoration on one of her sisters so there is a great source of information right in town.

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[StevenBauer]

Plus someone to match race her against….

[stromborg]

I have the opportunity to grab it for pennies on the dollar and it is located about 15 minutes from my house and shop. My father and I have been taking on wooden boats to work on, and this seems like a crime of opportunity more than anything. It's a beautiful boat, seems like a waste to let it rot out and not try to save it.

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That changes the equation quite a bit as you probably have a good sense of what you are getting into. We get an awful lot of low-budget dreamers drifting through thinking they can get away quick and cheap.

She still looks pretty rough.

[WoodenJay]

I'm going to go and do a more thorough in-person tomorrow afternoon. I'll get some better pictures of her current state and open the floor again for comments. This one is a little bigger than I'm used to as my next biggest wooden is an 18' Chris Craft. I'm sure I will be working on this one for years to come if I take it on. But I figure if I'm patient and put the time and money in over those years I'll end up with one beautiful old boat and lots of jealous onlookers!

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[Hugh MacD]

Cool! Looking forward to a good thread if you find you want to handle it She certainly is a looker and with a similar undertaking nearby you might be able to enjoy some "economy of scale" if you can work with the Buffalo group.

[WoodenJay]

So there are pros and cons to the situation. As it turns out, the Buffalo Martime Center was *not* restoring her sister, but her! They ran out of time and space and parted with her. The next owner popped her on a storage lot and abandoned her. I took a closer look but didn't venture inside as the deck was coated with some ice and I didn't feel like taking an unintentional dive. I have concerns about the keel attachment that I'm hoping BMC can help to clear up for me. Other than that, she looks pretty good. Think I might go for it, guys!

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[Woxbox]

Wow. This would be quite a project. I'll be following. I presume you've been following the Tally Ho saga?

[sp_clark]

Any trustworthy maritime surveyors around Buffalo you can enlist? That'd be my goal at this point: someone who can identify and qualify the needs of this orphan. Be way outside my confidence level to undertake any meaningful evaluation of what's to be done to bring her back for a safe rebirth.

[HRDavies]

It's a 1938 Rhodes ...

From the photos, she's not falling apart. Bring her home. Rhodes never designed an ugly boat ... you can always cut her up later if it turns out there's no hope.

If you need inspiration instead of nay-saying, check out Juneau Jim's project with Amazon above

[WoodenJay]

Wow. This would be quite a project. I'll be following. I presume you've been following the Tally Ho saga?

I have not been yet, but I am going to start!

[WoodenJay]

From the photos, she's not falling apart. Bring her home. Rhodes never designed an ugly boat ... you can always cut her up later if it turns out there's no hope.

If you need inspiration instead of nay-saying, check out Juneau Jim's project with Amazon above

Going to look into that now.

[WoodenJay]

If my research so far proves accurate, this might be Nightcap. According to Rhodes' records which are kept at the Mystic Seaport Museum, this was Rhode's design #416, of which only one was made by Herman Lund and the Skaneateles Boat and Canoe Co. Which, in spite of some other vague information I have found, would make this a Rhodes and Lund one-off. That possibility alone has convinced me that I would be a fool to not take her on.

So the first thing I have to do is rehab is the trailer. I have to get the trailer and boat jacked up and replace all 6 tires on the trailer in order to get her moved. I can't get a crane to her where she sits because of power lines, so I have to start at the bottom. This is probably going to be a slow go, time to strap in for a long ride!

[johngsandusky]

Good luck with all of it, and keep us posted.

[Garret]

If my research so far proves accurate, this might be Nightcap. According to Rhodes' records which are kept at the Mystic Seaport Museum, this was Rhode's design #416, of which only one was made by Herman Lund and the Skaneateles Boat and Canoe Co. Which, in spite of some other vague information I have found, would make this a Rhodes and Lund one-off. That possibility alone has convinced me that I would be a fool to not take her on.

So the first thing I have to do is rehab is the trailer. I have to get the trailer and boat jacked up and replace all 6 tires on the trailer in order to get her moved. I can't get a crane to her where she sits because of power lines, so I have to start at the bottom. This is probably going to be a slow go, time to strap in for a long ride!

Sounds great & she sure is pretty. You probably already know this, but I'll say it anyway... When you jack it to replace the tires, also check the wheel bearings and the springs. Trailers stored on grass get some good rust going & spring steel rusts quickly.

Brakes on the trailer would be nice, but that's probably a lot to ask Hope you have a nice big rig to haul (& stop) her!

[WoodenJay]

Sounds great & she sure is pretty. You probably already know this, but I'll say it anyway... When you jack it to replace the tires, also check the wheel bearings and the springs. Trailers stored on grass get some good rust going & spring steel rusts quickly.

Brakes on the trailer would be nice, but that's probably a lot to ask Hope you have a nice big rig to haul (& stop) her!

I don't think this trailer will be a forever trailer. I only have to move her a few miles, after which it will be basically a cradle for the foreseeable future. I do not have a big enough rig to haul her, so I'm hiring a company to haul her over there for me.

[sp_clark]

I'm gonna go buy some popcorn tomorrow, if I can get out of the driveway. Looking forward to seeing more posts on how this endeavor progresses for you WJ!

Were I closer (like 787 miles) & younger (40 years'd be enough!) I'd offer to lend my assistance.

[Ted Hoppe]

I don't think this trailer will be a forever trailer. I only have to move her a few miles, after which it will be basically a cradle for the foreseeable future. I do not have a big enough rig to haul her, so I'm hiring a company to haul her over there for me.

This is a huge project. The heart wants what the heart wants. It could also be the ruin of many a person. Undoubtedly you will make friends doing this. but at cost you thousands of hours of work, 10s of thousands in expenses and trade off of time that could better spent with loved ones and friends.

Give it a thought again. She will never be worth what your heart believes even if you want her to be. It is the reason the last owner walked away. I note this as I can not currently sell, nearly give away a true classic wooden racing sailing boat with a fantastic history that I have poured thousands of hours and dollars, quite seaworthy for ocean transits, fast and dry with new sails and motor. It nearly breaks me to even mention it.

A really good measure of worth is to think what you would pay to have one like it ready for you today. if you would pay that significantly higher price of what you will pour into it in your measure of life and wallet over the years to come - then go for it.