Daysailer/Weekender 7-9 m

[kleppar]

My Vivier Jewell has been sold, and I am looking for another boat again, more or less as follows:

• 7-9 m length
• good sized cockpit (I really liked the Jewell cockpit) for various activities (relaxing, sailing, fishing)
• sleeping for 3-5; preferably a small toilet
• galley
• simple rig (bermudan, high peaked gaff/gunter, junk rig, lug rig); must be able to sail one person
• fixed keel or centreboard
• building materials which give low maintenance
• outboard or inboard engine
• a cabin with windows in eye height; to avoid "basement feeling" when below deck
• possibility to have a sprayhood (almost a must here up north)

The Dutch Saffier SC 8 M Cabin is very close to my specifications.....

This time I am not looking for a building project, but a ready made boat - second hand or new. I shall be using the boat at the south-western coast of Norway.

Any ideas?

[stromborg]

7-9 meters is what, 22-29 feet?

My guess is the "sleeping for 3-5" is going to be a stumbling block but look forward to what you come up with.

[dutchpp]

The Saffier yachts are made a few km's from where I live by Hennevanger in IJmuiden ( I have no relation with the builder)
The build quality of the Saffier yachts is very good. The SC 8 M is known for its pleasant relaxed behavior under sail and the boat has enough seaworthiness for coastal use.
They are not the cheapest boats but certainly worth the investment.
This is a test of the German Yacht magazine https://nl.yachtworld.com/jacht/2023...cabin-5963679/

However there are other Dutch builders with similar models. For instance check out the Daymate Day M8 by Hoora yachts; https://hoora.nl/daymate/

The German builder Fricke Dannhus has some nice day sailors as well, for instance this one;
https://www.fricke-dannhus.de/boote/hd-24-venja.html

[kleppar]

Yes, the Saffier has a small diesel engine, just enough accomodation for 3-4 persons, looks good, but is rather expensive. I asked, and price is about €140,000 plus VAT. The Daymate m8 seems to be even more of a daysailer; but with our harsh climate, I need a proper cabin. Well, I shall keep looking.....

[dutchpp]

The Waarship yachts are built in plywood, they have several models. Not very expensive.https://www.waarschip.info/waarschepen/

[pez_leon]

I'm interested to see what you choose! May I ask why you sold the Jewell? Did you feel the need for a larger boat, or was there something about the design that did not suit?

Thanks!

- James

[kleppar]

My Jewell was not well built. It was done in Lithuania, by what I would call good carpenters, but poor chemists, so the superstructure started to rot after a few years. I really liked the design; it sailed fast, had a great cockpit, but a very basic cabin. I sold it for a very low price to someone aware of the repair at hand (hopefully).

Building in epoxy/plywood requires knowledge of both carpentry and chemistry; poor knowledge of the former can result in an ugly looking boat, but poor knowledge of the latter is potentially disastrous.

[pez_leon]

Building in epoxy/plywood requires knowledge of both carpentry and chemistry; poor knowledge of the former can result in an ugly looking boat, but poor knowledge of the latter is potentially disastrous.

A worthy aphorism! I am currently building a glued plywood boat (Vivier's Seil 18). It is very clear to me that a simple mixing error would be far worse for the boat then any amount of mis-cut wood.

Thanks for sharing. Glad to hear you liked the design.

- James

[Edward Pearson]

[kleppar]

I remember I looked at this boat a few years ago. Is it still in production?

[JimConlin]

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats-for...m=m&length=7-9

[Edward Pearson]

I remember I looked at this boat a few years ago. Is it still in production?

I believe so. I remember a UK build in cedar strip, but you're probably wanting an all grp boat if you had a bit of trouble with the Jewell. The builders with the rights to building in grp are in the Netherlands I assume are still producing. Worth a call.

This grp hull built with a mahogany and teak top is for sale in Europe at 40k euros.




https://boatsector.com/boats/32018/nigel-irens-roxane/

A Cornish Crabber 26 might suit. Well made. Not cheap new, but there's a few around on brokerage usually. Won't be that old.



There's one in the Netherlands for 85k.


Charlie Ward's 'Norfolk' range were extremely well made. Probably the best. All grp. Didn't compromise on anything anywhere at any time: teak, bronze, thick laminates, woven roving etc, whatever. There's one at 55k with Neil Thompson Boats (current builder that took over when he retired - they often make the boat 'like new' again, or another at 42k on Classic Boat website:





All depends on how much draft you can live with wether it's a centerboarder or not, style and rough price range. There's loads of choice.

Swallow Boats (of Bayraider fame) have a BayCruiser 26. She's light enough to tow home if you still want that, uses water ballast and a carbon rig etc. Big eye level windows. Not sure if its all grp or not, I think its all grp.

[kleppar]

Here are some of my favourites so far, in order of preference:

https://saffieryachts.com/models/saffier-sc-8m-cabin
https://www.pointeryachts.com/pointer-25/
https://hoora.nl/de/daymate/

[kleppar]

Yes, the BayCruiser is a good choice. I happen to own a Storm 19 built by Swallow Yachts back in 2005. I still have the boat:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/dXxjdGG5UGhk2Hwf6
It was well built, sails well, and looks good. For sale, in case anybody is interested.

[peb]

Compact 23 might come close to your requirements. Never sailed on but had a friend who said they were dang good boats.

[Dryfeet]

For whatever reason, I've been attracted to the Noordkaper 28c periodically. Not something I'd normally go for but it does speak to me nonetheless. Not likely cheap. Not wood. Definitely a little ship. Only missing the 'eye level' ports requirement.

If I were wanting to sail in your area, I'd definitely try tracking one of these down.