Biden going after semi-automatics?

[Steve McMahon]

No, as has been explained many times before. Hunting is less than 50% of firearms owners in Canada, and decreasing. Most only target shoot at ranges.

And even for hunting, there are types that make a semi more useful. I certainly would prefer one for feral pig control, having been attacked by boars before. Also the lighter recoil is one of the reasons they are very popular for women, smaller men, and younger adults.

so how about some real reasons to own a semi? What percentage of gun owners need protection from pigs? Fer crying out load, if you can’t handle the recoil get a smaller caliber rifle, or a smaller gauge shotgun, lots of choices available. I could handle a 30-30 and a 16 gauge when I was 13 years old and weighed less than 80 lbs.

[Peerie Maa]

No, as has been explained many times before. Hunting is less than 50% of firearms owners in Canada, and decreasing. Most only target shoot at ranges.

And even for hunting, there are types that make a semi more useful. I certainly would prefer one for feral pig control, having been attacked by boars before. Also the lighter recoil is one of the reasons they are very popular for women, smaller men, and younger adults.

The same argument applies about target shooting at ranges, Long guns with three round magazines or air pistols are still legal for target shooting. Semi autos are unnecessary.

More popular than living relatives or school kids?

Kudos to Canadians for being less murderous and homicidal than US Citizens. If your gun fatality rate were as high, would you still be supporting unregulated gun ownership?

[sandtown]

What else do we expect? 600 mass killings while Democrats controlled the federal government only reflects that the Democrats did nothing to change the laws..

For sure, the GOPPER NRA has zero responsibility . . . (insert sarcasm thingy)

[Joe (SoCal)]

No, as has been explained many times before. Hunting is less than 50% of firearms owners in Canada, and decreasing. Most only target shoot at ranges.

Also the lighter recoil is one of the reasons they are very popular for women, smaller men, and younger adults.

You are all for regulating Drones but not High Capacity Semi Auto Guns - I’m gonna have to call weird on that one

“ very popular for ………, smaller men, and younger adults”

Like …..

Columbine High School massacre: 18-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold, students at Columbine High School, killed 12 students and one teacher.

15-year-old student Thomas "T.J." Solomon Jr. wounded six students at Heritage High School. A 15-year-old girl was hospitalized in critical condition,

13-year-old Victor Cordova Jr. fatally shot 13-year-old Deming Middle School schoolmate Araceli Tena. Cordova said he had intended to commit suicide but was jostled by others and his gun moved.He could not be charged as an adult as he was under 14, so he received the maximum sentence for a juvenile: a minimum of two years in prison, with a maximum of being held until his 21st birthday. In December 2003, he was released to his aunt and uncle to live with them in Colorado.

<sup>13-year-old Seth Trickey opened fire in the courtyard of his middle school using a gun brought from home. While there were no fatalities, several students felt sparks
from the bullets hitting the building walls. Five were injured, including a girl who was shot in the face. He was tried as a juvenile and released in March 2005.

Shooting of Kayla Rolland: At Buell Elementary School, a 6-year-old boy fatally shot 6-year-old classmate Kayla Rolland. To date, the boy is the youngest documented
fatal school shooter

13-year-old honor student, Nathaniel Brazill was sent home for throwing water balloons, but returned to his Lake Worth Middle School with a family pistol.
He fatally shot teacher Barry Grunow, who was popular at the school</sup>

13 year-olds Darrel Johnson and Alfred Anderson were initially charged with attempted first-degree murder, in the shooting of 15 year-old William Pennington. Pennington, after being shot, gained control of the gun and shot Johnson in the back
A 15-year-old Junipero Serra High Schoolstudent who showed off a handgun on campus and threatened to shoot a classmate, ended up accidentally shooting himself, causing minor injuries

Santana High School shooting: 15-year-old student, Charles Andrew Williams, killed two students, 14-year-old Bryan Zuckor, and 17-year-old Randy Gordon, at Santana High School. In total, he wounded thirteen others.

17-year-old Donald Ray Burt Jr., fatally shot Neal Boyd IV, with one bullet to the head in a parking lot outside Lew Wallace High School.
A 15-year-old student was shot in the abdomen and wounded inside the basement of Lincoln High School during an argument with another student. Another 15-year-old student was arrested and charged with attempted murder.

John McDonogh High School shooting. 18-year-old Steven Williams, and 17-year-old James Tate, opened fire with an AK-47 and a handgun in the gymnasium of John McDonogh High School, killing a 15-year-old student and wounding three female students.

^{LOTS and LOTS more here}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...#8211;present)

[sandtown]

so how about some real reasons to own a semi? .

For sure, no way should our lives "trump" gunz raths.

[Decourcy]

Well, we had a thread about voting where I suggested that only those with some level
of knowledge should be allowed to vote. This thread is a good demonstration as to why.

[Peerie Maa]

The end plan is English style laws.

That would be a good thing. Read the statistics and think about why they are so low.

BTW I belong to a fishing and wild fowling association. My companies sport club has a pistol shooting range on its premises, a colleague belonged to a rifle shooting club with a range in the outskirts of the town. There will be gamekeepers and farmers with shotgun and rifle licences used for managing deer herds and game shooting. Our laws do not prevent shooting where appropriate.

[Decourcy]

The same argument applies about target shooting at ranges, Long guns with three round magazines or air pistols are still legal for target shooting. Semi autos are unnecessary.

More popular than living relatives or school kids?

Kudos to Canadians for being less murderous and homicidal than US Citizens. If your gun fatality rate were as high, would you still be supporting unregulated gun ownership?

You obviously have zero understanding of our laws to call what I support “unregulated”.
Please refer to my post above this


Until 1996 full auto were legal here. Number of shootings? Zero. The guns aren’t what make us different than the US and to suggest it is is blissful ignorance

[Joe (SoCal)]

Well, we had a thread about voting where I suggested that only those with some level
of knowledge should be allowed to vote. This thread is a good demonstration as to why.

Good thing you can’t vote in OUR elections.

I’m gonna go fly my drone this afternoon

[Peerie Maa]

You obviously have zero understanding of our laws to call what I support “unregulated”.
Please refer to my post above this


Until 1996 full auto were legal here. Number of shootings? Zero. The guns aren’t what make us different than the US and to suggest it is is blissful ignorance

This thread is about US laws. I was not aware that you had emigrated.

"Guns don't kill people, people (with guns) kill people".
If the people cannot be trusted with guns, remove the guns that kill people. That in effect is what we did after Dunblane and Hungerford.

[Steve McMahon]

I am amazed that there are those that accept without question most of the other limitations, regulations, and rules about many other aspects of our lives for the safety and security of society as a whole yet freak out when reasonable limitations are placed on the ownership and uses of what is arguable the most potentially deadly device a person can legally own?
vehicles- minimum safety standards, licence to operate, insurance, seatbelts, speed limits etc…
homes- building codes, smoke detectors, where you can build, what you can build etc…
bars- hours of operation, regulated source of product
food supply- very heavily regulated
helmet laws: motorcycles, quads, side by sides, snowmobiles, and in most places bicycles and skateboards
boats- operated cards, minimum safety equipment, speed limits in some places etc…
aircraft- same

Yet, the world is going commie when it’s suggested that you can’t own a gun designed primarily for killing people and for which there is a prolific black market for accessories like 30 shot magazines, silencers and night vision scopes! I shake my head in disbelief.

I guess we can always blame it on Rambo and Hollywood.

[Decourcy]

This thread is about US laws. I was not aware that you had emigrated.

"Guns don't kill people, people (with guns) kill people".
If the people cannot be trusted with guns, remove the guns that kill people. That in effect is what we did after Dunblane and Hungerford.

I was discussing our laws, you responded out of a position of ignorance. Just man up and admit it

[Decourcy]

Well at least this place is good for a laugh as I shake my head at some of you

[Steve McMahon]

Until 1996 full auto were legal here. Number of shootings? Zero. The guns aren’t what make us different than the US and to suggest it is is blissful ignorance

Again you will have to enlighten me, hopefully you will do a better job than last time.
At what point could the average citizen own and use a fully automatic weapon? Could you walk into Canadian Tire with your firearms acquisition certificate and choose one of your choice? Lol.

[sandtown]

Well at least this place is good for a laugh as I shake my head at some of you

Your smug misguided sense of superiority gets old in a hurry.

[Peerie Maa]

I was discussing our laws, you responded out of a position of ignorance. Just man up and admit it

This is a thread is about US laws, why are you banging on about Canadian laws?
This is the only relevant thing that you have posted.

The guns aren’t what make us different than the US.

So the US needs new regulations, Canada not so much.

[David W Pratt]

Chambering a round with a bolt or lever is part of the fun of shooting. Semi or full auto makes it easier to squeeze off more rounds quickly, but something is lost. Didn't the Walmart guy use a pistol?

I like that manually chambering a round is a conscious act, so it is easier for me to be in control of the firearm. It makes it easier to police the brass too.

[Decourcy]

Again you will have to enlighten me, hopefully you will do a better job than last time.
At what point could the average citizen own and use a fully automatic weapon? Could you walk into Canadian Tire with your firearms acquisition certificate and choose one of your choice? Lol.

Special license, just like with an AR or pistol. Range use only. Just like an AR or pistol. Your point? There are something like a half million SKS’s in Canada (single most popular gun) which you can get from Canadian tire. Number used in a shooting? Zero.

[Decourcy]

This is a thread is about US laws, why are you banging on about Canadian laws?
This is the only relevant thing that you have posted.


So the US needs new regulations, Canada not so much.

On the last, yes, I agree.

[CWSmith]

Your smug misguided sense of superiority gets old in a hurry.

It's a sign that he's been outclassed and he knows it.

When people can no longer form good arguments they hurl insults.

[Decourcy]

Your smug misguided sense of superiority gets old in a hurry.

You’re always easy fishing

[Decourcy]

Actually PM, Canadian laws are relevant. And my post to Paul about what is slipping into out “assault gun ban” is why. Think about it for a few and you’ll get why there is such strong push back against any regulations in the US.


Do you even know what a ruger no1 is?

[Steve McMahon]

Special license, just like with an AR or pistol. Range use only. Just like an AR or pistol. Your point? There are something like a half million SKS’s in Canada (single most popular gun) which you can get from Canadian tire. Number used in a shooting? Zero.

So as usual you were making a thin argument using 1/2 truths and selective facts. They were not legal in the sense of ownership and use the same as any other hunting rifle, they were extremely restricted, probably also requiring a criminal check etc..
I btw have no problem with certified ranges with qualified and certified supervisors / instructors being able to allow qualified certified people to shoot anything from a pistol to a machine gun under tightly controlled conditions.

I have no idea what this “SKS” you refer to is.

[Decourcy]

So as usual you were making a thin argument using 1/2 truths and selective facts. They were not legal in the sense of ownership and use the same as any other hunting rifle, they were extremely restricted, probably also requiring a criminal check etc..
I btw have no problem with certified ranges with qualified and certified supervisors / instructors being able to allow qualified certified people to shoot anything from a pistol to a machine gun under tightly controlled conditions.

I have no idea what this “SKS” you refer to is.

The fact you don’t seem to know that a background check is done for every license issued, even for one that allows hunting rifles, says almost as much as not knowing what an SKS is. That would be like someone saying “I’m a car guy. What this “Fiat” that you’re talking about?”




Also FYI, the machine guns? The owners still have them. The change in law just meant they weren’t allowed to transport them to a range.

[Peerie Maa]

Think about it for a few and you’ll get why there is such strong push back against any regulations in the US.

Dunning Kruger and years of NRA Brain Washing? Follow the money, and the dead have no voice.

[Peerie Maa]

The fact you don’t seem to know that a background check is done for every license issued, even for one that allows hunting rifles,\

Now that would be a good move for the US to follow,

You seem to be arguing for more regulation in the US, but cannot bring your self to come out and say so.

[Dikhaut]

So, you would rather have mass killings, then?

If someone wants to harm a large group of people there are many ways they could do it. I am not convinced restricting certain types of guns is the answer. Identifying potentially violent mentally ill people and treating them and or restricting their access to guns seems like it would be more productive. The vast majority of owners of all types of guns are law abiding citizens.


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[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

....None of our shooting fraternity uses semi autos, cos they are illegal in the UK.

This isn't quite true - you can still buy and own a .22 rimfire semi auto rifle - there are hundreds in use.

[Too Little Time]

I watched an unrelated youtube video today. And as time passed I realized it was not as unrelated as I thought.

I have changed my opinion about regulating guns. I now understand why one might be in favor of gun control and not pass any gun control laws.

To make it clear: I am in favor of completely banning guns. But I am going to encourage those in power to not do so.

[Decourcy]

Dunning Kruger and years of NRA Brain Washing? Follow the money, and the dead have no voice.

Gun owners there will look at our expanding ban list, and say “none at all” knowing that any leads to many.

[Decourcy]

Now that would be a good move for the US to follow,

You seem to be arguing for more regulation in the US, but cannot bring your self to come out and say so.

I have said so many times. Our system works, for the most part. We don’t actually need more regulations or bans.

[McMike]

If Democrats want to win in 24 and 26 and 28 . . . They would do well to leave guns alone. 21% of Democrats own firearms and 27% of Independents. It's like the abortion issue, the golden rule is to never take away rights. Mass shootings are horrifying, but hardly a prolific cause of death. But hey, Go ahead, Dems will lose in 24, Reds will nullify the EO, because an EO is the only way to do it, and we'll be back at square one with nothing gained and everything lost. Good luck with that . . . remember that last time you all were so adamant? She lost . . . and then the country lost.

[Treeguyus]

If President Biden were truly interested in harm reduction via reducing mass shootings, he could focus on domestic violence. About half of all mass shootings, per the FBI, are the end stage of domestic violence. If that were addressed and reduced, not only would there be fewer mass shootings, but the ancillary damage of years and years of physical and emotional prodrome that led up to the shooting would be avoided.

Makes too much sense to go after the root of the problem....

[Treeguyus]

If Democrats want to win in 24 and 26 and 28 . . . They would do well to leave guns alone. 21% of Democrats own firearms and 27% of Independents. It's like the abortion issue, the golden rule is to never take away rights. Mass shootings are horrifying, but hardly a prolific cause of death. But hey, Go ahead, Dems will lose in 24, Reds will nullify the EO, because an EO is the only way to do it, and we'll be back at square one with nothing gained and everything lost. Good luck with that . . . remember that last time you all were so adamant? She lost . . . and then the country lost.

Do they really need to worry!! Those crossing the border, bused in will be able to vote.....

[McMike]

Do they really need to worry!! Those crossing the border, bused in will be able to vote.....

Proof on that? No . . . I thought so. I'm not on your side, I like the truth.