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    According to the Associated Press, he is.

    Emboldened Biden, Dems push ban on so-called assault weapons

    WASHINGTON (AP) — When President Joe Biden speaks about the “scourge” of gun violence, his go-to answer is to zero in on so-called assault weapons.

    America has heard it hundreds of times, including this week after shootings in Colorado and Virginia: The president wants to sign into law a ban on high-powered guns that have the capacity to kill many people very quickly.

    “The idea we still allow semi-automatic weapons to be purchased is sick. Just sick," Biden said on Thanksgiving Day. “I’m going to try to get rid of assault weapons.”

    After the mass killing last Saturday at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs, he said in a statement: "When will we decide we’ve had enough? ... We need to enact an assault weapons ban to get weapons of war off America’s streets.”

    When Biden and other lawmakers talk about “assault weapons,” they are using an inexact term to describe a group of high-powered guns or semi-automatic long rifles, like an AR-15, that can fire 30 rounds fast without reloading. By comparison, New York Police Department officers carry a handgun that shoots about half that much.

    A weapons ban is far off in a closely divided Congress. But Biden and the Democrats have become increasingly emboldened in pushing for stronger gun controls — and doing so with no clear electoral consequences.

    The Democratic-led House passed legislation in July to revive a 1990s-era ban on “assault weapons," with Biden’s vocal support. And the president pushed a ban nearly everywhere that he campaigned this year.

    Still, in the midterm elections, Democrats kept control of the Senate and Republicans were only able to claim the slimmest House majority in two decades.

    The tough talk follows passage in June of a landmark bipartisan bill on gun laws, and it reflects steady progress that gun control advocates have been making in recent years.

    “I think the American public has been waiting for this message,” said Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., who has been the Senate’s leading advocate for stronger gun control since the massacre of 20 children at a school in Newtown, Connecticut in 2012. “There has been a thirst from voters, especially swing voters, young voters, parents, to hear candidates talk about gun violence, and I think Democrats are finally sort of catching up with where the public has been.”

    Just over half of voters want to see nationwide gun policy made more strict, according to AP VoteCast, an extensive survey of more than 94,000 voters nationwide conducted for The Associated Press by NORC at the University of Chicago. About 3 in 10 want gun policy kept as is. Only 14% prefer looser gun laws.

    There are clear partisan divides. About 9 in 10 Democrats want stricter gun laws, compared with about 3 in 10 Republicans. About half of Republicans want gun laws left as they are and only one-quarter want to see gun laws be made less strict.

    Once banned in the United States, the high-powered firearms are now the weapon of choice among young men responsible for many of the most devastating mass shootings. Congress allowed the restrictions first put in place in 1994 on the manufacture and sales of the weapons to expire a decade later, unable to muster the political support to counter the powerful gun lobby and reinstate the weapons ban.

    When he was governor of Florida, current Republican Sen. Rick Scott signed gun control laws in the wake of mass shootings at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and a night club in Orlando. But he has consistently opposed weapons bans, arguing like many of his Republican colleagues that most gun owners use them lawfully.

    “People are doing the right thing, why would we take away their weapons?” Scott asked as the Senate was negotiating gun legislation last summer. “It doesn’t make any sense.”

    He said more mental health counseling, assessments of troubled students and law enforcement on campus make more sense.

    “Let’s focus on things that actually would change something,” Scott said.

    Law enforcement officials have long called for stricter gun laws, arguing that the availability of these weapons makes people less safe and makes their jobs more dangerous.

    Mike Moore, chief of the Los Angeles Police Department, the country's third-largest, said it just makes sense to talk about guns when gun violence is rising nationwide, and consider what the government can do to make the streets safer. He is grateful Biden is bringing it up so much.

    “This isn't a one-and-done,” Moore said of the shooting in Colorado Springs. "These things are evolving all the time, in other cities, at any moment another incident happens. It's crying out for the federal government, for our legislators, to go out and make this change,” he said.

    On Tuesday, six people were shot dead at a Walmart in Virginia. Over the past six months there has been a supermarket shooting in Buffalo, New York; a massacre of school children in Uvalde, Texas; and the July Fourth killing of revelers in Highland Park, Illinois.

    The legislation that Biden signed in June will, among other things, help states put in place “red flag” laws that make it easier for authorities to take weapons from people judged to be dangerous.

    But a ban was never on the table.

    A 60-vote threshold in the Senate means some Republicans must be on board. Most are are steadfastly opposed, arguing it would be too complicated, especially as sales and varieties of the firearms have proliferated. There are many more types of these high-powered guns today than in 1994, when the ban was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.

    “I’d rather not try to define a whole group of guns as being no longer available to the American public,” said Republican Sen. Mike Rounds of South Dakota, who is a hunter and owns several guns, some of them passed down through his family. “For those of us who have grown up with guns as part of our culture, and we use them as tools — there’s millions of us, there’s hundreds of millions of us — that use them lawfully.”

    In many states where the bans have been enacted, the restrictions are being challenged in court, gaining strength from a Supreme Court ruling in June expanding gun rights.

    “We feel pretty confident, even despite the arguments made by the other side, that history and tradition as well as the text of the Second Amendment are on our side," said David Warrington, chairman and general counsel for the National Association for Gun Rights.

    Biden was instrumental in helping secure the 1990s ban as a senator. The White House said that while it was in place, mass shootings declined, and when it expired in 2004, shootings tripled.

    The reality is complicated. The data on the effectiveness is mixed and there is a sense that other measures that are not as politically fraught might actually be more effective, said Robert Spitzer, a political science professor at the State University of New York-Cortland and author of “The Politics of Gun Control."

    Politically, the ban sparked a backlash, even though the final law was a compromise version of the initial bill, he said.

    “The gun community was furious,” Spitzer said.

    The ban has been blamed in some circles for the Democrats losing control of Congress in 1994, though subsequent research has shown that the loss was likely more about strong, well-funded conservative candidates and district boundaries, Spitzer said.

    Still, after Democrat Al Gore, who supported stricter gun laws, lost to 2000 White House race to Republican George W. Bush, Democrats largely backed off the issue until the Sandy Hook shooting in 2012. Even after that, it was not a campaign topic until the 2018 midterms.

    Now, gun control advocates see progress.

    “The fact that the American people elected a president who has long been a vocal and steadfast supporter of bold gun safety laws — and recently reelected a gun sense majority to the Senate — says everything you need to know about how dramatically the politics on this issue have shifted,” said John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety.
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    Chambering a round with a bolt or lever is part of the fun of shooting. Semi or full auto makes it easier to squeeze off more rounds quickly, but something is lost. Didn't the Walmart guy use a pistol?
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    what a ridiculously written piece

    every time i have been to new york in the last twenty years i have seen police officers just like this

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    nice trigger discipline btw

    and regarding that 'landmark bipartisan gun legislation passed last summer', anybody recall what was in that without googling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post

    and regarding that 'landmark bipartisan gun legislation passed last summer', anybody recall what was in that without googling?
    I recall it had something to do with some minor inconsequential window dressing changes that won't make any difference when it comes to mass shooting maniacs. Mind you, they were landmark minor inconsequential window dressing changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post

    nice trigger discipline
    every time someone says trigger discipline, an angel pukes itself to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    every time someone says trigger discipline, an angel pukes itself to death.

    I'm confused. After lo these many years of gun ownership, I had no idea one need to discipline one's triggers. Can the barrels be obstreperous also? I tried rigging a sling for a couple of hunting seasons... but talk about potentially undisciplined...
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    every time someone says trigger discipline, an angel pukes itself to death.
    There is that long-standing belief that at least one of the bullets fired in the Kennedy assassination was fired by a Secret Service agent who did not maintain proper control of his weapon. It may or it may not be true, but it makes that photograph of the NY cops with their semi-automatic weapons that much more frightening. I think they are posers with uniforms.
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    The short paragraph in the middle of the above article is a lie by misdirection.

    On Tuesday, six people were shot dead at a Walmart in Virginia. Over the past six months there has been a supermarket shooting in Buffalo, New York; a massacre of school children in Uvalde, Texas; and the July Fourth killing of revelers in Highland Park, Illinois.
    It gives the impression that there were only those four incidents, so far this year, when the reality is that there are over six hundred mass shootings in the US every year. Mass shootings defined as four or more people shot in an incident. The actual statistics of gun violence are easily found on the web and the numbers are mindbogglingly atrocious.

    It is a pandering craven lie, in the same way, that gun proponents say that there are millions of responsible gun owners and users who are law abiding and never shoot anyone. Even if that is actually true, it's a disengenuous argument to obscure the fact that the US has so much gun violence. The other big lie, meant to obscure the facts and deflect a realistic discussion of what should be done to 'finally put an end to the insanity' is to blame some imaginary dearth of mental health care. It isn't a binary issue, guns or not, killing or not, mental health or not. The real answer, the real solution to ending the gun insanity in America is to do many things that will have an impact, and one of the most obvious, and demonstrably the most effective in a quiver of many arrows of the solution is to vastly restrict the ownership of guns. And the best start is to restrict the manufacture sale and possession of assault type weapons. And make violations of gun laws felonies with harsh penalties.

    I think one of the very best things America could do, not that it's remotely possible, yet, would be to melt down every single AR. And make three-printing and ghost gun manufacture and ownership punishable by life in prison.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mahan View Post
    The short paragraph in the middle of the above article is a lie by misdirection.

    It is a pandering craven lie.
    What else do we expect? 600 mass killings while Democrats controlled the federal government only reflects that the Democrats did nothing to change the laws. Now that they lack control, they have ideas.
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    You guys.

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    The last time an assault weapon ban was passed during the Clinton era, gun crime went down. The tragedy is that the fools in Congress put a ten-year sunset proviso into the bill.

    All SCOTUS has to do is to really be originalist and declare their love for " well-regulated militias ", and this scourge of unfettered gun worship will begin to die off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    The last time an assault weapon ban was passed during the Clinton era, gun crime went down. The tragedy is that the fools in Congress put a ten-year sunset proviso into the bill.
    that ban had zero effect on violent crime
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    that ban had zero effect on violent crime
    So, you would rather have mass killings, then?
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    Huh, shooting your fellow citizens and their kids to death in America is cultural, Donn told me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    So, you would rather have mass killings, then?
    that's not what i said at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    that's not what i said at all
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    FYI Paul, added to the list on the assault rifle ban coming down the pipe in Canada are such guns as the SKS, the Garand, and in fact a number of hunting rifles including some ruger no1’s and wetherby’s etc.

    Liberals have interesting definitions as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    What else do we expect? 600 mass killings while Democrats controlled the federal government only reflects that the Democrats did nothing to change the laws. Now that they lack control, they have ideas.
    Democrats would pass the legislation except that the Rs block it. And the only reason anyone blocks such legislation is the big money donors that represent the gun makers and the follow-on industry related to selling guns. And I'm sure there are some Ds that are that craven, too. It shouldn't be partisan, but it is actually, the same way the goram vaccines and masks shouldn't have been partisan but it is.

    Think about the gun thing like this. Suppose some time in the indeterminate future it is the case that the ARs and high capacity magazines are actually illegal, and it's been, say, twenty years since the legislation was passed. And now, in twenty-whatever, all those salient stats show that gun violence is way down, that everyone feels a lot safer, that schools aren't being turned into parking lots because no one wants to send their kids thre after some typical heinous mass shooting.

    Now the fun part. In this hypothetical, it's twenty years after passing the laws everyone but gun aficianados and the gun industry wants. The various people who really really wanted to keep their ARs because of whatever stupid reaons—because it sure as hell isn't deer hunting or goose hunting or even coyote control—suppose all those people have had twenty years to get over it and make an adjustment to their gun ownership. Now, in this hypothetical, they can still own a six-shooter, a revolver. They can still own a bolt-action hunting rifle with a three bullet magazine. They can still put down the coyotes, They can still bring home an annual carcass of venison. They can keep foxes out of the hen house and rabbits and squirrels at bay. They can still tromp through the woods in the fall or scan a mountain peak for a trophy goat. And they can still go to a range and shoot targets all day every day if they want to. Just not with an AR or with a magazine that holds more than, say, four rounds. You want to go to the Olympics and compete with target rifles and pistols, you still can. Just not with ARs and not with high capacity magazines.

    Such law would keep all those mindless idots that have some known only to themselves reason for getting homocidal in an elementary school or church or town council meeting—from spraying the assembled innocents with bullets. Such law would make the evening news reporting of such an incident more rare, as it should be. A reasonable law to keep known felons and etc from owning guns, and a law that keeps ghost guns from proliferating, all would keep the numbers of dead and maimed due to gun violence much, much lower than it is now. And then we'd only have to hear the craven and mindless 'thoughts and prayers' bull**** on a rare occasion.

    And the craven Rs and Ds in Congress could just fund their campaign war chests with some other issue and other deep pocket donors.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mahan View Post
    Democrats would pass the legislation except that the Rs block it.
    Democrats need to explain why when they have control of the federal government they do not propose such legislation. And why they wait until they lack control to propose such legislation.

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    This donation issue needs to be under control before the US will make a whole lot of progress and term limits wouldn't be a bad idea either. In Canada, political donations are sharply regulated and no corporate donations are allowed period. I assume our politicians are no better than those in the US, they just get their stuff on the tail end such as directorships and such.

    Unfortunately, we don't have term limits although judges and senators have to retire at 75. In old days a senate appointment was for life, it was a very quiet spot.

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    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Lots of chest pounding going on on this side of the border about the ban and buyback of “assault style rifles” In my simple mind I agree with banning them, with the definition of an assault rifle changed to be “any rifle for which magazines capable of more than 5 rounds are available either legally in a neighbouring country or known to be available on the black market”. I would go further and eventually ban all semi automatic guns. I live in an area where moose hunting is not just a sport, it is a way of life and for many a matter of survival. No one uses an “assault style” rifle. Why would they when they have the option of a much more accurate hunting rifle? If you told any of my neighbours that you needed a semi auto or more than three bullets in your magazine to take your moose they would politely suggest you need more education on hunting and probably a lot more time on the range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mahan View Post
    The short paragraph in the middle of the above article is a lie by misdirection.



    It gives the impression that there were only those four incidents, so far this year, when the reality is that there are over six hundred mass shootings in the US every year. Mass shootings defined as four or more people shot in an incident. The actual statistics of gun violence are easily found on the web and the numbers are mindbogglingly atrocious.

    It is a pandering craven lie, in the same way, that gun proponents say that there are millions of responsible gun owners and users who are law abiding and never shoot anyone. Even if that is actually true, it's a disengenuous argument to obscure the fact that the US has so much gun violence. The other big lie, meant to obscure the facts and deflect a realistic discussion of what should be done to 'finally put an end to the insanity' is to blame some imaginary dearth of mental health care. It isn't a binary issue, guns or not, killing or not, mental health or not. The real answer, the real solution to ending the gun insanity in America is to do many things that will have an impact, and one of the most obvious, and demonstrably the most effective in a quiver of many arrows of the solution is to vastly restrict the ownership of guns. And the best start is to restrict the manufacture sale and possession of assault type weapons. And make violations of gun laws felonies with harsh penalties.

    I think one of the very best things America could do, not that it's remotely possible, yet, would be to melt down every single AR. And make three-printing and ghost gun manufacture and ownership punishable by life in prison.
    Please contact your paper, your news network, or such and ask they begin Jan. 1 a daily posting of gun deaths year to date. I've done so, but I'm a lone voice. If more people asked, maybe it will happen, and then more people may be shocked by the rate the numbers rise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    The last time an assault weapon ban was passed during the Clinton era, gun crime went down. The tragedy is that the fools in Congress put a ten-year sunset proviso into the bill.

    All SCOTUS has to do is to really be originalist and declare their love for " well-regulated militias ", and this scourge of unfettered gun worship will begin to die off.
    I often ask, "Who, if not the government, was to regulate that well regulated militia."
    "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve McMahon View Post
    Lots of chest pounding going on on this side of the border about the ban and buyback of “assault style rifles” In my simple mind I agree with banning them, with the definition of an assault rifle changed to be “any rifle for which magazines capable of more than 5 rounds are available either legally in a neighbouring country or known to be available on the black market”. I would go further and eventually ban all semi automatic guns. I live in an area where moose hunting is not just a sport, it is a way of life and for many a matter of survival. No one uses an “assault style” rifle. Why would they when they have the option of a much more accurate hunting rifle? If you told any of my neighbours that you needed a semi auto or more than three bullets in your magazine to take your moose they would politely suggest you need more education on hunting and probably a lot more time on the range.
    Like moose hunting is the only reason to have a rifle…..
    Silly.

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    If President Biden were truly interested in harm reduction via reducing mass shootings, he could focus on domestic violence. About half of all mass shootings, per the FBI, are the end stage of domestic violence. If that were addressed and reduced, not only would there be fewer mass shootings, but the ancillary damage of years and years of physical and emotional prodrome that led up to the shooting would be avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decourcy View Post
    Like moose hunting is the only reason to have a rifle…..
    Silly.

    Fyi, refer to the 300 page list ti see how many aren’t actually “black” or even semi.
    It is a good explanation of why semi autos are unnecessary. Our professional gamekeepers stalking or culling deer do not use them, their rifles are limited to three round magazines. None of our shooting fraternity uses semi autos, cos they are illegal in the UK.
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    Yesterday near me.

    Shooting Leaves 1 Dead, 4 Injured In Costa Mesa Thanksgiving Day

    COSTA MESA, CA — A man was in custody Friday in connection with a shooting in Costa Mesa on Thanksgiving Day that left one person dead and four other people wounded.

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    If you are a current owner of an AR type weapon, for whatever reason, and they become illegal, would you turn yours in, and would you then find a different way to legally own some kind of firearm or take up another hobby?

    And if you would be put out by that infringement on your interests, do you think your being put out is more or less important than that a significantly larger group of people than gun owners feel at least as put out over death toll of the continued school and church and town council meetings being shot up by kids with ARs?

    Is it more of a hardship for you to give up your AR than it is for parents to let their kids go to school knowing that some wound up teenager with an AR might show up and make your kid's school the latest in an obscenely long list of school shootings?

    More directly, if it were shown to be the case, incontrovertibly, that your giving up your AR would lessen the number of kids dying by that kind of firearm, would you then be willing to let go of your AR?

    If at some point in our collective future the US has turned this fiasco around and we end up with fewer gun violence deaths than, say, Denmark or New Zealand, would you gun owners feel like it was worth it, or would you want to revert to the way things are now, so you could have your interest back?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Decourcy View Post
    Like moose hunting is the only reason to have a rifle…..
    Silly.

    Fyi, refer to the 300 page list ti see how many aren’t actually “black” or even semi.
    Enlighten me…. Hunting, sport shooting at a range, varmit control on a farm. Other than killing people what other use is there and why would you need a semi automatic or more than 3 bullets in the magazine? I don’t agree with the Total ban on civilian hand gun use. I think one should be able to buy or rent a handgun at a range facility, sport shoot with it there, and it never leaves the range.
    btw, I am a gun owner and used to be an avid small and big game hunter.
    Stay calm, be brave....wait for the signs. Possibly precariously prevaricating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    It is a good explanation of why semi autos are unnecessary. Our professional gamekeepers stalking or culling deer do not use them, their rifles are limited to three round magazines. None of our shooting fraternity uses semi autos, cos they are illegal in the UK.
    No, as has been explained many times before. Hunting is less than 50% of firearms owners in Canada, and decreasing. Most only target shoot at ranges.

    And even for hunting, there are types that make a semi more useful. I certainly would prefer one for feral pig control, having been attacked by boars before. Also the lighter recoil is one of the reasons they are very popular for women, smaller men, and younger adults.

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    Steve there is along standing wild boar argument thats pretty lame. But the #1 reason is “I LIKE HIGH CAPACITY SEMI AUTO GUNS” I get that you like something and you don’t want it taken away. Granted its not the best argument but it’s all they have.

    EDITED TO ADD: I called the Pig argument while I was composing my post Decourcy proved my point, thank you Decourcy

    Also edited to add: “ very popular for ………, smaller men, and younger adults” like

    Columbine High School massacre: 18-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold, students at Columbine High School, killed 12 students and one teacher.

    15-year-old student Thomas "T.J." Solomon Jr. wounded six students at Heritage High School. A 15-year-old girl was hospitalized in critical condition,

    13-year-old Victor Cordova Jr. fatally shot 13-year-old Deming Middle School schoolmate Araceli Tena. Cordova said he had intended to commit suicide but was jostled by others and his gun moved.He could not be charged as an adult as he was under 14, so he received the maximum sentence for a juvenile: a minimum of two years in prison, with a maximum of being held until his 21st birthday. In December 2003, he was released to his aunt and uncle to live with them in Colorado.

    13-year-old Seth Trickey opened fire in the courtyard of his middle school using a gun brought from home. While there were no fatalities, several students felt sparks
    from the bullets hitting the building walls. Five were injured, including a girl who was shot in the face. He was tried as a juvenile and released in March 2005.

    Shooting of Kayla Rolland: At Buell Elementary School, a 6-year-old boy fatally shot 6-year-old classmate Kayla Rolland. To date, the boy is the youngest documented
    fatal school shooter

    13-year-old honor student, Nathaniel Brazill was sent home for throwing water balloons, but returned to his Lake Worth Middle School with a family pistol.
    He fatally shot teacher Barry Grunow, who was popular at the school

    LOTS and LOTS more here




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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve McMahon View Post
    Enlighten me…. Hunting, sport shooting at a range, varmit control on a farm. Other than killing people what other use is there and why would you need a semi automatic or more than 3 bullets in the magazine? I don’t agree with the Total ban on civilian hand gun use. I think one should be able to buy or rent a handgun at a range facility, sport shoot with it there, and it never leaves the range.
    btw, I am a gun owner and used to be an avid small and big game hunter.
    Pointless discussion as we have been here before. My ruger no1 may be on the block. Hope that makes you feel safer. The end plan is English style laws.

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