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    I knew it. See if national security was compromised it was just TFG being TFG. It’s not like Hillary’s server or the stolen election.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ago-documents/

    Federal agents and prosecutors have come to believe former president Donald Trump’s motive for allegedly taking and keeping classified documents was largely his ego and a desire to hold on to the materials as trophies or mementos, according to people familiar with the matter.

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    Could be true. He'd do something like that. Still a felony.
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    He really didn't mean to be bad. He's just too friggin stupid to know the difference. Jail him anyway- but just a little bit less JayInOz

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    will it matter to his 'law and order' base
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    What’s that old saying? “Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law.”

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    I read that as "Not espionage, just ego." I agree with others - lock him up.
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    He was given notice that he was wrong and had his lawyer swear that he didn't have them. Lock them both up and forget where you put the key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    will it matter to his 'law and order' base
    His base base? Not at all. For the rest they’ll shrug their shoulders and say “At least Hillary wasn’t in the WhiteHouse”

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    billary being the biggest crook of all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    billary being the biggest crook of all
    there are crooks and there are crooks

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    no, you're the puppet!

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    they're trying to gaslight us.. there were national defense secrets.. informants deaths rose after he took those.. he knew it, 'Federal agents and prosecutors/people familiar with the matter' knew it.

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    Gitmo 'does' have a golf course - just sayin'
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    By now it's pretty obvious that no one is willing to throw the country into armed insurrection at the cost of putting his orange behind in prison. They'd rather wait until there MUST BE an armed insurrection to protect our fragile democracy.

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    ^sadly, seems too true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durnik View Post
    they're trying to gaslight us.. there were national defense secrets.. informants deaths rose after he took those.. he knew it, 'Federal agents and prosecutors/people familiar with the matter' knew it.
    agreed. leos are in the bargaining stage (after denial, anger) of reimagining their support for trump, which was for his, you know, policies.

    "at least he was harmless." nnnnope.

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    Mmmmmm . . maybe, maybe not. The longer the investigation takes, the fewer the dedicated fanatics who might try something really stupid if he's indicted, the more time there is to anticipate and prepare, and the less likely it is that Republican politicians will support him with any enthusiasm. Whining about how unjustly the poor guy is being treated, doubtless. The Republican revolt against Trump is real, but how deep it goes is hard to tell yet.

    And with Trump, distinguishing between narcissistic idiocy and actual malice is very hard. He could have taken the documents to bandage his ego, someone could have looked at them in their unsecured room and sent the information of to their boss in Moscow or wherever, or he could have sold the i formation to the highest bidder. None of it is beyond him, nor some combination of all three; narcissistic idiocy and malevolence aren't at all mutually exclusive. And he was certainly NOT harmless.
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    As people who are convicted of various crime's following the "walk to the capitol" do come to terms with time in federal prison and even those who are merely contemplating spending time in prison, that the reality of perfidity would "not be worth it"

    Or, his tribe is rapidly shrinking

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    When the less powerful do bad things, what they are told is . .

    "Ignorance of the law is no excuse!!"

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    Trump wasn't ignorant, or if he was, it was 100% intentional. A president, or a former president, has plenty of people who know the law to tell him what's legal and what isn't. He can listen or not; that's his choice.
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    TFG is willfully ignorant when it suits him and just plain stupid most of the rest of the time. Does not excuse the fact that he broke the law and then lied about it and coerced an attorney to lie about it. Lock his orange ass up.

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    He's stupid all the time. Not always ignorant. In the case of these docs, he was informed before he left the White House that these were not his documents. He chose to feign ignorance. It's the dark side of the policy of "it's easier to apologize after the fact than it is to get permission before the fact." In TFG's case, his apology needs to be made from a prison cell.
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    He will do anything to make a buck, including selling national secrets.

    And yet the Stumps won't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    When the less powerful do bad things, what they are told is . .

    "Ignorance of the law is no excuse!!"
    As a society it is still the case that ‘we the people’ are here to serve the ruling class. It is not openly acknowledged rather the reverse is imagined to be the case, leadership serves the people as in the Christian paradigm that is so often touted by the Republican movement in general…….. not so funny when you think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    He will do anything to make a buck, including selling national secrets.

    And yet the Stumps won't care.
    pwn the libs
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