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    Oh my. The World Champion resigns the game after making only one move! This was his second game vs. American Hans Niemann in the last month.

    Magnus Carlsen resigns from match after one move as chess storm intensifies

    By Des Bieler
    September 20, 2022 at 8:11 a.m. EDT


    World chess champion Magnus Carlsen stunningly withdrew Monday after making just one move in a match against a 19-year-old American, Hans Niemann. The episode added a new chapter to a storyline that has gripped the chess world and beyond, one that involves suggestions that Niemann cheated in a recent victory against the Norwegian grandmaster.

    The two were playing an online match Monday in the Julius Baer Generation Cup, using the Chess24 platform via Microsoft Teams, when Carlsen’s webcam suddenly switched off while he was on the clock for his second move.

    “What happened? That’s it?” exclaimed Peter Leko, a grandmaster who was providing analysis on the feed.

    “Wow — speechless, yeah?” Leko said.





    Carlsen, 31, was leading the tournament in the early going at the time. The Julius Baer Generation Cup is the seventh event on the nine-tournament Champions Chess Tour, which runs from February until November. Carlsen is in first place in the series, while Niemann ranks 16th.

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    I think this story is fascinating. I suppose they can't strip search the American, but I wonder what the outcome would be if there were no cameras and no witnesses outside a very controlled room.

    I do hate a cheat, but a primadonna is not much better. Somebody in this story should be revealed for whatever they are.
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    My understanding is that Carlson did not withdraw from the tournament. He simply resigned his game against Niemann. Evidently Carlson does not trust the young American and would rather accept a loss than play him.
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    interesting approach; guess I'm wondering why he even agreed to/started the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    My understanding is that Carlson did not withdraw from the tournament. He simply resigned his game against Norman. Evidently Carlson does not trust the young American and would rather accept a loss than play him.
    He definitely thinks he knows something. I'm looking forward to the resolution of the question. This is far more entertaining news than much of what's going on right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    The future of chess is Faraday cage matches.
    I do not see any other way to do it.
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    The American is named Hans?
    so confusing !!!!

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    Chess cage matches! Will there be a belt for the winner?

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    In many fishing tournaments we have observers aboard the boats. Chess could do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    In many fishing tournaments we have observers aboard the boats. Chess could do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    Chess cage matches! Will there be a belt for the winner?
    There should be. And a lot more bombast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Medical specialists? ( I had to change the particular specialist.. I just couldn't do it)
    Can you imagine every chess match started or ended with a cavity search?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Medical specialists? ( I had to change the particular specialist.. I just couldn't do it)

    Scanners for metal/ electronics detection are relatively cheap and readily available.

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    The tournament in question is being conducted entirely online. I presume both Carlson and Niemann were sitting in their own homes. Niemann has admitted to cheating at least twice in that format which is why his account was deleted from chess.com. If I were Carlson I wouldn't trust him in that format either. What happens if every reputable chess grandmaster similarly refuses to play a game to conclusion with Niemann and simply resigns their games against him? His chess career would go *poof*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
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    The tournament in question is being conducted entirely online. I presume both Carlson and Niemann were sitting in their own homes. Niemann has admitted to cheating at least twice in that format which is why his account was deleted from chess.com. If I were Carlson I wouldn't trust him in that format either. What happens if every reputable chess grandmaster similarly refuses to play a game to conclusion with Niemann and simply resigns their games against him? His chess career would go *poof*.


    I do not follow pro chess, but if you resign, you forfeit and lose, yes?

    If everyone did that, the supposed cheater would win, no?


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    In a tournament every player plays every other player. So let's say there is a tournament with 17 players, one of whom is Hans Niemann, If every player resigned his game against Niemann, Niemann would record at least 16 wins and each other tournament player would record at least one loss. Would Niemann win the tournament with 16 wins? of course he would. The best record anyone else could post would be 15-0-1 (win-tie-loss)

    Would Niemann be invited to play in that tournament ever again? Unlikely. This would be the classic Pyrrhic Victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    Chess cage matches! Will there be a belt for the winner?
    check out chess boxing.
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    [QUOTE=Tom Montgomery;6728962].
    In a tournament every player plays every other player. So let's say you are in a tournament with 17 players, one of whom is Hans Niemann, If every player resigned his game against Niemann, Niemann would record at least 16 wins and each other tournament player would record at least one loss. Would Niemann win the tournament with 16 wins? of course he would.

    Would Niemann be invited to play in that tournament ever again? Unlikely. This would be the classic Pyrrhic Victory.[/

    So, there’s no world champion? Its just who wins individual tournaments?

    I was thinking if he became world champ, even by default, others would need to play him to take the title.

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    [QUOTE]
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    In a tournament every player plays every other player. So let's say you are in a tournament with 17 players, one of whom is Hans Niemann, If every player resigned his game against Niemann, Niemann would record at least 16 wins and each other tournament player would record at least one loss. Would Niemann win the tournament with 16 wins? of course he would.

    Would Niemann be invited to play in that tournament ever again? Unlikely. This would be the classic Pyrrhic Victory.[/
    So, there is no world champion? Its just who wins individual tournaments?

    I was thinking if he became world champ, even by default, others would need to play him to take the title.

    Also, without conclusive proof of cheating and disqualification, it seems to me any tournament victory in which he did not compete would be tainted, since it could always be questioned whether the winner could have beaten the shunned player.



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    is there a penalty difference between losing and forfeiting in tournament chess?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WszystekPoTrochu View Post
    is there a penalty difference between losing and forfeiting in tournament chess?
    A slight difference at most.

    If you forfeit without making a move, the game does not affect your rating.
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