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    If you care about your country and your rights, don't vote for any Republicans in 2022

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...002/?gnt-cfr=1

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    GOP is against abortion, against gun control, against immigrants, against fair elections, against same sex marriage, against transgender surgery, and a few other things.

    What on earth are they for other than tax cuts for the wealthy?
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    There was a time I would occasionally vote for a Republican. Minnesota had a Republican governor in the early '90s that did quite a good job, in fact. Unless things change drastically, I will never vote for any Republican ever again as long as I live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    There was a time I would occasionally vote for a Republican. Minnesota had a Republican governor in the early '90s that did quite a good job, in fact. Unless things change drastically, I will never vote for any Republican ever again as long as I live.
    Our governor here in Vermont is doing a good job and I voted for him last time two years ago because he did such a good job with Covid. Plus, he will not stand in the way of the abortion issue. Not a Trumpster or radical Republican at all.
    Even though he will win again this Nov., I will vote for the Dem just on principle.
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    Don’t forget. This is America. The Republican Party represents what some Americans want. The cruelty and imposition of power is an American feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    The Republican Party represents what some Americans want. The cruelty and imposition of power is an American feature.
    A feature of our species, alas, not just Americans. We've made considerable progress restraining it, but we have a long way yet to go.
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    more toxicity

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ccept-results/

    A dozen Republican candidates in competitive races for governor and Senate have declined to say whether they would accept the results of their contests, raising the prospect of fresh post-election chaos two years after Donald Trump refused to concede the presidency.
    In a survey by The Washington Post of 19 of the most closely watched statewide races in the country, the contrast between Republican and Democratic candidates was stark. While seven GOP nominees committed to accepting the outcomes in their contests, 12 either refused to commit or declined to respond. On the Democratic side, 17 said they would accept the outcome and two did not respond to The Post’s survey.

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    TFG Ohio rally. What does the pointy finger solute mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    TFG Ohio rally. What does the pointy finger solute mean?

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571308215937241090
    Apparently it is a QAnon thing based on their "WWG1WGA" slogan ( "where we go one, we go all"). It's all very weird and disturbing to anyone outside the conspiracy bubble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Z View Post
    Heil Trump!
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    The thread title reminds me of Chevy Chase saying, "This just in! Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead."

    The GOP won't change until they are forced to change. Right now, they are mostly doubling down and many running for election are supporting Trump's lie in order to get his support and the vote of his supporters. That will continue until it fails and it's not failing anytime soon.
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    The GOP has existed in name only since the 2016 convention.

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    My question: What do we read into this 180 degree change of mind: https://news.yahoo.com/republican-do...ycsrp_catchall
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    My question: What do we read into this 180 degree change of mind: https://news.yahoo.com/republican-do...ycsrp_catchall
    This disingenuous dimwit seems to be a prime example. But there are all sorts of R primary winners who are now shuffling toward the middle. Not taking questions on the election, leaving support for tRump out of their speeches, scrubbing their websites of previously rabid support for 'Stop The Steal', etc. etc.


    https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pre..._npd_nn_tw_mtp

    Poll: Abortion, Trump boost midterm prospects for Democrats

    Republicans maintain significant advantages on economy, crime and immigration in the latest NBC News national poll.

    Democrats have pulled even with Republicans ahead of November’s midterm elections, fueled by six in 10 voters who disapprove of the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade; President Joe Biden’s approval rating improving to its highest mark since October; and by Donald Trump’s favorability rating dropping to its lowest point in more than a year.

    Still, Republicans maintain key advantages that could catapult them to win control of Congress and governors' mansions across the country, including 63% of voters who believe that their income is falling behind the cost of living, as well as 58% who disapprove of Biden’s handling of the economy.

    These are the results of a new national NBC News poll, which finds the parties tied on congressional preference among registered voters, 46%-46%, with Democrats narrowly trailing Republicans in election interest.

    Yet what maybe stands out the most from the survey are the two starkly different issue campaigns the parties are running, with the Republican Party holding all-time high advantages on the economy, crime and border security, versus Democrats’ all-time high on abortion and a double-digit edge on health care.

    “We often think about wave elections,” said Democratic pollster Jeff Horwitt of Hart Research Associates, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff of Public Opinion Strategies.

    “But this year, we may think instead about a ‘waves’ election where unprecedentedly strong crosscurrents push voters in different directions, with an end result that may not be what we expected.”
    McInturff, the GOP pollster, agrees.
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    Puppet. Will say whatever he's told to say in order to get elected. Slightly more intelligent than the football player in Georgia.

    His switcheroo will not change the minds of the people who live north of the White Mountains, in real rural NH. They will dump him and not vote.

    It also won't change the minds of the people who live in Portsmouth where most remote work for Boston companies and are simply living in NH to escape income tax.

    The dilemma is for the normal Republicans in Concord and Manchester who would really like to not have to vote for Maggie Hassan. But I have a hunch they'll still not vote for him when they pull that lever, although they may talk the talk. We shall see.
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    It also won't change the minds of the people who live in Portsmouth where most remote work for Boston companies and are simply living in NH to escape income tax.
    You really shouldn't characterize us that way. I doubt you know many of us at all. I pay $12k/year in property tax. It isn't tax free here; we just pay it differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    You really shouldn't characterize us that way. I doubt you know many of us at all. I pay $12k/year in property tax. It isn't tax free here; we just pay it differently.
    I din't say "tax". I said a specific tax. My step son lives in Portsmouth. I know plenty.
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    I din't say "tax". I said a specific tax. My step son lives in Portsmouth. I know plenty.
    Yes. I lived in Manchester for 4 years, and got friendly with a young R (you pretty much HAD to be R at that time) city council candidate. He had his eyes on the state leg. and (he wouldn't allow himself to say it out loud) the governor's office. One of his goals was to make NH's taxes more progressive by lessening the reliance on property tax, and introducing a slightly progressive (gotta start small) income tax. Haven't seen his name since we left there - guess he was too liberal for them.

    And yes, there are tons of Mass. commuters that live in NH - along highways 3, 93, and 95. Places like Nashua, Seabrook, Salem, and Windham. Had a wealthy client in Bedford who had a driver for the commute to corporate headquarters in (Somerville?). He started his day on the phone or doing paperwork in the car and cherished the quiet time as very productive.
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    There are a lot of reasons to live in NH instead of MA other than income tax.

    The homicide mortality rate (per 100k) is far smaller.

    The natural environment is ranked higher.

    Home burglary rates (per 100,000) are lower in NH.

    I suppose you know that home prices are roughly 65% what they are in Massachusetts and the homes tend to come with more land around them.

    To my surprise, the infrastructure is ranked higher.

    I suppose you know that automobile insurance is lower here. Anyone who has driven in Massachusetts understands that statement.

    The online tables I'm looking at rate NH higher in "opportunity" and "fiscal responsibility" although I will admit I'm not sure how they define that and I'll need to research that further.

    Sadly, education and health care is ranked lower. Living in a university town, I suppose I am insulated from some of that.

    There are a lot of reasons to live in NH and escaping income tax is just one small reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    There are a lot of reasons to live in NH instead of MA other than income tax.

    The homicide mortality rate (per 100k) is far smaller.

    The natural environment is ranked higher.

    Home burglary rates (per 100,000) are lower in NH.

    I suppose you know that home prices are roughly 65% what they are in Massachusetts and the homes tend to come with more land around them.

    To my surprise, the infrastructure is ranked higher.

    I suppose you know that automobile insurance is lower here. Anyone who has driven in Massachusetts understands that statement.

    The online tables I'm looking at rate NH higher in "opportunity" and "fiscal responsibility" although I will admit I'm not sure how they define that and I'll need to research that further.

    Sadly, education and health care is ranked lower. Living in a university town, I suppose I am insulated from some of that.

    There are a lot of reasons to live in NH and escaping income tax is just one small reason.
    Yes, lots of good reasons to live in N.H.

    AND for a substantial cadre of wealthy Mass. & Connecticut expats... it's to avoid progressive income taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofswen View Post
    How does NH rate in those categories next to Vt.? I lived close to St.Johnsbury,Vt. in the 70's.?
    I bet Vermont is ahead of NH in many categories. I'll check when I get a few minutes.

    The NH Achilles Heel is the tax problem. Property tax is local and most schools are funded locally. So there are good schools and bad schools and that becomes the root of the problem. To supplement the tax loss, there is a "Let tourists pay for it" mentality. I think Vermont has avoided this nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Yes, lots of good reasons to live in N.H.

    AND for a substantial cadre of wealthy Mass. & Connecticut expats... it's to avoid progressive income taxes.
    Yes. I just wanted to avoid the broad brush that paints everyone and get down to reality.
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    How does NH rate in those categories next to Vt.? I lived close to St.Johnsbury,Vt. in the 70's.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofswen View Post
    How does NH rate in those categories next to Vt.? I lived close to St.Johnsbury,Vt. in the 70's.?
    I'm taking a quick look.

    Vermont ranks best in terms of the "crime index" with NH second. That's good. Mass is 20th and you don't want to live in DC.

    Murder rates are about the same in VT and NH, but both are very low.

    Burglary rates in VT are about 50% higher than NH, but both are still very low. To my surprise, NJ and NY are also low. I wonder if that reflects the more rural areas?

    VT ranks lower in the environment, but is still in the top 10. That also surprises me.

    Housing is about 20% lower in VT than in NH.

    Health care in VT seems to rank below NH, but it also costs a little more than half as much, so that may be a skewed result.

    All told, the quality of life in VT is very high. All it's missing is a seacoast.
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    Vermont does have a big lake on its west coast... That being said, while beautiful & surrounded by mountains, it doesn't smell right.

    I'm sure NH is a cheaper place to live than VT - but both states vary hugely depending on where you look. Northern NH & NE VT are much cheaper than southern NH or the Burlington area of VT.

    Broad brushes simply don't work.

    I do send out my thanks to my NH friends whenever I buy something expensive with no sales tax in NH - as their property taxes covered it for me.

    Also booze - NH is cheaper for imported, many are surprised to find that VT is lower on domestic. Oh - we have better beer too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    I'm taking a quick look.

    All it's missing is a seacoast.
    And the seacoast in NH is industrial or tourist ridden, a relief to get across the Piscataqua.

    I don't have any experience with the NEK, but my adventures into northern NH are enough to convince me that quality of life up there is nothing to write home about. It's beautiful (although nothing to compare with the stretch between Lebanon and Gorham) but north of that in NH is land of loners, dead towns and no work, truely a great place to live free and die - early. It's sad, but VT has Burlington north of its mountain strip, and an infestation of ski resorts north of Waterbury.

    I mean, even the AT skips northern New Hampshire!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Vermont does have a big lake on its west coast... That being said, while beautiful & surrounded by mountains, it doesn't smell right.
    Really? I never noticed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    I'm sure NH is a cheaper place to live than VT
    Actually, I'm not sure that's true. I paid off my house a few years ago, but I remember that being a big piece of my monthly income. Houses are cheaper in VT.

    And everyone complains about taxes, but you do get services and NH is "Live Free or Die" in a great many regards.

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    And the seacoast in NH is industrial or tourist ridden, a relief to get across the Piscataqua.

    I don't have any experience with the NEK, but my adventures into northern NH are enough to convince me that quality of life up there is nothing to write home about. It's beautiful (although nothing to compare with the stretch between Lebanon and Gorham) but north of that in NH is land of loners, dead towns and no work, truely a great place to live free and die - early. It's sad, but VT has Burlington north of its mountain strip, and an infestation of ski resorts north of Waterbury.

    I mean, even the AT skips northern New Hampshire!
    What happened, elf? Did someone from up north scare you once?

    The Cape is a nice place to visit, but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post

    The Cape is a nice place to visit, but...
    It's a wonderful place to live if you got here before the last two big real estate booms. It's brutal if you have to rent, excellent if you're in construction, heavenly if you like to sail, great for marine biology and zoology, fascinating for weather.

    But not a particularly nice place to visit, as soaking the tourists is a popular local game.

    Except in Wellfleet and Truro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    Really? I never noticed.



    Actually, I'm not sure that's true. I paid off my house a few years ago, but I remember that being a big piece of my monthly income. Houses are cheaper in VT.

    And everyone complains about taxes, but you do get services and NH is "Live Free or Die" in a great many regards.



    What happened, elf? Did someone from up north scare you once?

    The Cape is a nice place to visit, but...
    As an outsider who lived in NH for 4 years... I have to agree with elf about the coast. I guess I've been spoiled by the Oregon coast. I used to throw the two boys in the car and head for the ocean every weekend, so my sweetie could write/study. After a few quests looking for something interesting, I gave up on the small patch of NH coastline. Thereafter, we always went to Maine, exploring further and further up the coast as time went on. Never disappointed. To be fair... If I'd been alone, or with only adults, I'd have spent more time in Portsmouth. Liked that town.
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    And the seacoast in NH is industrial or tourist ridden, a relief to get across the Piscataqua.

    I don't have any experience with the NEK, but my adventures into northern NH are enough to convince me that quality of life up there is nothing to write home about. It's beautiful (although nothing to compare with the stretch between Lebanon and Gorham) but north of that in NH is land of loners, dead towns and no work, truely a great place to live free and die - early. It's sad, but VT has Burlington north of its mountain strip, and an infestation of ski resorts north of Waterbury.

    I mean, even the AT skips northern New Hampshire!
    Why so negative Emily? Northern NH has some beautiful lakes & forests. The NEK has beautiful country as well - though it too has fewer jobs - though not none.

    Infestation? 4 north of Waterbury is an infestation? C'mon. Besides you spend time in an area with 2 (used to be 3 until Glen Ellen was gobbled up by Sugarbush) - are ski areas that awful?

    Of course we do have a Rep.governor (just as you) & while he's basically a good man, his antipathy towards renewables & refusal to do anything that might make "business" unhappy makes it impossible for me to support him.
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    This may actually be the most important election in our history, or at least in many years.

    I don't understand, taking Graham as an example, how people who vote for him know which one of him they are voting for.
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    For YEARS I have been pleading: next election, vote against EVERY Republican, for EVERY office, at EVERY level. Be patriotic, save the country.

    See my signature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    For YEARS I have been pleading: next election, vote against EVERY Republican, for EVERY office, at EVERY level. Be patriotic, save the country.

    See my signature.
    What a great idea!

    I wonder why no one has mentioned it before... <G>
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    TFG held a rally in Youngstown Ohio yesterday, I will never call it that, from now on that town shall be called Jonestown Ohio moving forward.

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    I'm trying to look at the NH primary results. There was a Democrat that I liked and respected (I know him personally) who finished 5th out of 5. I told him before the election that his positions were too vague, but he didn't want to alienate anyone. I think that his losing is a good sign that voters are looking at the issues and making real decisions. I'm encouraged.
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    Default Re: Just A Reminder: today's GOP is toxic

    To get back closer to the topic of this thread, you might want to check out some of those and other results on the web.

    There are some very consistent results (to my eye) that correlated with red/blue politics.

    For instance, the crime rate in SC (Graham's home state) is very high, much higher than NY or NJ. Wrap your head around that! NY and NJ get a boat load of bad press on crime, but SC is far worse.
    "Where you live in the world should not determine whether you live in the world." - Bono

    "Live in such a way that you would not be ashamed to sell your parrot to the town gossip." - Will Rogers

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

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