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    As part of our restoration project when we are not at Chance is doing work at the workshop.

    One of the jobs is to restore the original Baby Blakes toilet back to working condition so it can go back in the aft heads compartment when that part of the boat is refitted back to its original specification



    Although the toilet is in a bit of a dirty condition, it will soon clean up and once again come clean and ready fro years of further use.



    This single large bore skin fitting is unlike any other skin fitting in the boat and appears to have been custom made for the boat.



    Some of the skin fitting were able to be removed with their original backing plate and are in good condition and will only need cleaning up and used again, other backing plate were in a poor condition due to corrosion.
    The two skin fittings in this photo are the aft heads toilet skin fittings and are in good condition.



    The aft heads compartment sink skin fitting


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    This is the fore cabin sink out let skin fitting



    These are the two fore cabin toilet skin fittings

    At sometime in the past the fore cabin sink and toilet were removed and the skin fittings were locked closed and left in position. As part of the restoration the fore cabin toilet and sink will be refitted as they were originally fitted when Chance was commissioned and launched in 1948.



    The original deck fillers for the fuel and water tanks which after they have been restored will be refitted to the restored teak deck of Chance.


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    Any original thing is better than new ones, I'm glad you decided to restore this throne

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    I agree with you on that score, the old fittings have many years of use in them and are made out of better metal than the modern sea cocks. I do believe these will be around long after the modern seacocks have corroded away. That is why I am using as much of the original equipment I still on Chance during her restoration.

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    A photo of the port side aft and the sheerline is fairly straight and true as it would have been when Chance was build





    The starboard side appears to have drop a few inches lower than the port side in the same area.




    The vast empty space, however at least we have reference points for the position of the original furniture




    A lot of work in this area of the boat over the coming months to get this part back into a good order




    Now the ribs are out the hull will be able to be sorted up easier as the hull will not be held in the incorrect position as they were because the ribs were put in when the hull was out of shape




    The two "A" brackets now off the bottom of the boat and be taken away to the workshop and cleaned and new cutless bearing can be fitted


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    The rotten transom framework which be removed and the area patterned up and a new framework made up and fitted




    In a poor condition, however much of the original shape is still there to take patterns off and make new framework for the transom and hood ends of the planks to fix to qhen it is refitted with new oak





    The starboard side is in a really poor way and much of it is the wrong shape and will all have to come out and the correct shape parts put back in position and the shape of the transom returned to its original shape









    Much of the port side behind the framework as been filled with sealant of all manner of types and some I have not since for more than 30 years


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    This corner of the transom is a complete dogs dinner with so much misshapen parts that do not fit or should be there at all







    The cross beams of the transom framework do not even fit or are jointed into the uprights of the transom framework this is one of the reasons why the starboard side is out of shape because it is not connected to the rest of the framework





    This as tried to be jointed but the joint failed to be made correctly and is not fitted to the upright




    This bem is just screwed to the outer framework but in the wrong position and is not jointed as it should to the outer framework


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    Trip back to the Place Chance was build in 1948



    This is the Scottish village from which Chance was commissioned and launched back in 1948 and it is still boat building to this day




    Although, the name as changed a little, it is still he same boatyard from which first set sail from and started her adventures down the years to the present day.




    this is the onsite sawmill that the logs were cut for Chances' hull and many more before and since. Although it is now the yards mast storage as the timber now is brought in pre-cut these days.






    his is the site of the old shed in which Chance was build in 1948 and many other smaller James Silvers. A the Yard Manager said this shed was build to built the James Silvers up to 50ft and the larger sheds on the site were to built the larger Silvers.



    This is the Scottish village from which Chance was commissioned and launched back in 1948 and it is still boat building to this day

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    Where, if it's not a secret, do you find old ships for restorations? Not that I was sure that I needed one, since I understand that I will have one hobby for the rest of my days but it definitely attracts me.

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    Probably few in Missouri. WoodenBoat magazine has Save a Classic on the last page and free boats in their ads, both print and web. Otherwise, hang around the coast. If there are any worthy classics in Florida, they may need restoration after today.

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    Inside the small boatbuilding shed at Silver's boatyard, which the same boatyard that Chance wa build and launched from in 1948









    The shed is large by todays standards, however, when boats like Chance was being build there was a number of boats build at the same time and so the space would be full of boats and men building they at the same time





    The railway tracks in the ground were from the time when the boats were moved around the shed and moved down to the waters edge and launched down the slipways, which the Boatyard manager Duncan said was ten of them at one time, so was the amount of boats being build at the same time.





    A throwback to older times with a classic fire alarm








    The travel hoist and one of the last slipways at the boatyard where boats like Chance would have been launched down.







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    Good visit! Thanks.

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    Hi Thad,
    It was a great visit especially when given a guided tour of the yard and to see where Chance and the other James Silvers were build over the years. Even saw one of the sheds that as not changed since the time when the yard was in its early days. a wooden build shed and the old machinery still is use today. Although they do not build many boats these days there is a good repair and restoration business on the site. I will visit there again when next time in the area doing further research on Chance.

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    You have to route the head into a holding tank. You don't want to be blowing mud into the water do you?

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    I do not understand your posting???

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    This is Chance a year ago before I made a start on her full restoration

    The forecabin during the early stages of the restoration

    Now with all the furniture removed and ready to get on with thew restoration of the cabin


    Two early photos of the starboard hand side of the main cabin before this was all removed to get to the hull planking and the ribs so that they can be repaired.

    The whole of the main cabin removed and what was able to be removed in one piece is now in storage and other parts that were in not such good condition are being rebuild in the same method as when they were originally constructed in 1948






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    The galley area stripped back to the bare hull








    The engines that were no longer serviceable were removed and the whole area was cleaned and the fuel and water tanks were removed as well



    The fuel and water tank beyond repair so going to change for modern stainless steel tanks


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    We removed the old bronze propeller shafts and then the "A" Brackets as well

    The after cabin as we started to remove the athwartships bunk that had been put in the cabin a sometime in the past

    The aft cabin as it is now a bare shell and there are signs of how it was originally build.


    Before and after with work on the transom, It was needed to have the skin removed to inspect the transom framework which is in need to renewing.
    This is the work we have done over the past year so far with Chance at the other end of the country to where we live, however, soon this will change with Chance being moved south to where I live and work in Essex.


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    Much done and more coming! Quite a project. Cheers.

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    I've been lurking on this thread. It's good to see a big boat restoration project happening. The move to get the boat closer to home will be a huge help for sure. Also I vote for more large photos. The small ones just leave me wishing I could see more.

    There was a James Silver Brown Owl named Sea Lass out here in the Pacific NW (USA) a few years back. A beautiful boat but she fell on hard times and I think she was broken up about a year ago. I doubt she needed any more work than Chance does but the owners gave up when the project grew to exceed their budget. I wish they had found a way to save her but I've been in that place myself so I can't judge.
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    It is a large project, however,broken down into smaller parts it is not so daunting a task. That is how I look at Chances' restoration. Get the Hull Deck and Superstructure water and weather tight. Which is the largest task ahead in the short term. then tackle each cabin one stage at a time until we can get her afloat once more.. It is going to take 4 to 6 years, Not the flexible 2 years that Leo Sampson keeps saying it is going to take him to get Tally Hoo done. The big difference between us is that he is starting from knowing a small amount of what takes to restore a vessel of Tally Hoo's size and his miscalculation on the time it is going to take given his inexperience and me who has been doing this work for over 45 years and knows many of the pitfalls he has had over the time he as been restoring or should I say rebuilding off plan.

    So far my project is self funded out of my own pocket and my family are helping me with the dismantling of Chance. Also Chance is at one end of the country to me. A round trip of 620 miles each time I go to work on Chance. However, this will soon come to an end as I am now in a position to move Chance very close to my home base and very close to my own workshop in Essex. At which point I will and my family be able to work on her more.

    I am happy with our progress so far however, there should be more speed now that Chance will be getting moved in the near future.

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    Four weeks and counting before Chance should be Home with Us in Essex

    Just one more weeks work up at Woodplumpton on Chance to get some new steamed oak ribs in her before she is loaded on to transport and moved down to Essex to her new home and then the restoration project can gain speed and the work to get her Hull and decks and superstructure water and weathertight can begin a pace .Chance It is a large project and no mistaking that, however,broken down into smaller parts it is not so daunting a task. That is how I look at Chances' restoration. Get the Hull Deck and Superstructure water and weather tight. Which is the largest task ahead in the short term. then tackle each cabin one stage at a time until we can get her afloat once more.. It is going to take 4 to 6 years, Not the flexible 2 years that Leo Sampson keeps saying it is going to take him to get Tally Hoo done. The big difference between us is that he is starting from knowing a small amount of what takes to restore a vessel of Tally Hoo's size and his miscalculation on the time it is going to take given his inexperience and me who has been doing this work for over 45 years and knows many of the pitfalls he has had over the time he as been restoring or should I say rebuilding off plan.

    So far my project is self funded out of my own pocket and a couple of patrons thorough their small donations and my family are helping me with the dismantling of Chance.
    Also Chance is at one end of the country to me. A round trip of 620 miles each time I go to work on Chance, so we have to make every trip count with getting as much done as possible in each trip.We do not mind doing the miles and staying in a caravan on site to get the work done , as we as a family believe Chance deserves a second Chance to get back on the seas and be sailing them once more.
    However,the travelling will soon come to an end as I am now in a position to move Chance very close to my home base and very close to my own workshop in Essex. At which point I will and my family be able to work on her more.

    I am happy with our progress so far however, there should be more speed now that Chance will be getting moved in the near future.
    So counting down the days before Chance is home with us in Essex.



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    Hi Chris,
    In my case I am a traditional wooden boat builder by trade and have done a few of these major projects over the years for other people, So I have a good grounding in what it will take to bring Chance round once more. The budget is not a major problem as my own savings helps pay for the materials and when they get low the work stops for a while so I can build them up again and do the next stage. I have a couple of friends who once Chance is back home said they would like to help with the restoration as long as I feed them with bacon rolls and a large amount of coffee or tea.

    So coming forward to 4 weeks today when Chance will be hopefully on her way home to my home area of England in Essex. Counting the days until she is home and I can start on her again.

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    I think I saw a couple of ads here ( boat paradises), while I was studying what is being sold for what, and if memory serves, there were ridiculous prices there
    This case is really not for everyone

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    We are as a family have just had a great day in Whitby, re-visiting many of the places that Simon visited as a young child with his parents and brother and sister when he lived in Yorkshire before moving south and eventually living in Essex with his wife Tricia and son Michael.


    Captain Cook a son of Whitby was one of Simon's hero's who sailed to many far off places around the globe. One thing that Simon did do was to make a life as a sailor and in his own way sailed to many a place himself, may not have sailed to as many far off places as Captain Cook. However Simon did have a number of adventures over the years and with the help of his wife Tricia and son Michael hopes to to have many more with his own family.


    This photo is of Captain Cook looking over the Whitby harbour where he learn to sail and where he left to go to the far reach's of the world on his voyages of discovery.





    The plinth this statue stands on is set upon as compass rose with pointers, pointing to the North, South East and West to show that he sailed to the four areas of the globe and exploring the world, gaining knowledge of the world around him.








    Although in the past Whitby was known for is the whaling trade, This as long since disappeared. Whitby is more well known now for its Fishing fleet and its world renown Whitby Scampi. It still as a ship repair and boat building yard as well as a good tourist trade in the summer and other events during other times of the year. So there is plenty to do whatever time of year you visit.




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    The entrance to the Museum was impressive with a sailing vessel over the main gate and the building around the entrance in much the same way that they would have been when originally build.





    The aft view of the HMS Trincomalee, She was a fighting ship build at the end of the Napoleonic period, however, it never saw action and became a training ship and other roles before finishing up at this museum.




    Michael misbehaving and being put in the stocks, before being let out after serving his punishment.




    A side on view of the mighty ship




    A photo of the many lifeboats that have served this port of Hartlepool over the past from rowing/sailing lifeboats to the modern all weather lifeboat it has today.



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    This was last year in May when we as a family could over ownership of Chance and made a start on the work to restore Chance back to her former glory.







    The task ahead we knew was going to be large and take a long time to achieve, we knew that as a family we could overcome the challenges ahead with a great deal of tenacity and patience and a large amount of luck along the way.







    For the people who have been following us on our YouTube video blog, our Chance_1948 patreon page, on our Chance Restoration Facebook page and the other social media platforms which we regularly post on a weekly basis. So that followers can see the amount of work we have done over the past year.
    Although, the progress has been slow until now, it should be quicker now that Chance will hopefully be coming south to Essex in a little over two weeks time and then the major restoration work can and will be underway as Chance will be every close to my own yard and workshop and therefore I will be close to my tools and large equipment to make doing the work on ?Chances hull easier.
    So Chance should be on the road home on the first of November, then let the fun begin on getting Chance watertight from above and below.




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    Just two more weeks before she is loaded on to transport and moved down to Essex to her new home and then the restoration project can gain speed and the work to get her Hull and decks and superstructure water and weathertight can begin a pace .Chance It is a large project and no mistaking that, however,broken down into smaller parts it is not so daunting a task.




    That is how I look at Chances' restoration. Get the Hull Deck and Superstructure water and weather tight. Which is the largest task ahead in the short term.




    Then tackle each cabin one stage at a time until we can get her afloat once more.. It is going to take 4 to 6 years, Not the flexible 2 years that Leo Sampson keeps saying it is going to take him to get Tally Hoo done. The big difference between us is that he is starting from knowing a small amount of what takes to restore a vessel of Tally Hoo's size and his miscalculation on the time it is going to take given his inexperience and me who has been doing this work for over 45 years and knows many of the pitfalls he has had over the time he as been restoring or should I say rebuilding off plan.




    So far my project is self funded out of my own pocket and a couple of patrons thorough their small donations and my family are helping me with the dismantling of Chance.







    Also Chance is at one end of the country to me. A round trip of 620 miles each time I go to work on Chance, so we have to make every trip count with getting as much done as possible in each trip.We do not mind doing the miles and staying in a caravan on site to get the work done , as we as a family believe Chance deserves a second Chance to get back on the seas and be sailing them once more.

    However,the travelling will soon come to an end as I am now in a position to move Chance very close to my home base and very close to my own workshop in Essex. At which point I will and my family be able to work on her more.




    I am happy with our progress so far however, there should be more work done now that Chance will be getting moved in the near future.

    So counting down the days before Chance is home with us in Essex.





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    Tomorrow and for the next three days we are going back to Chance were Chance is presently laid up in Woodplumpton to get her safe and ready to go on transport at the end of the month.The main job will be to put the wood that when up to her last time in the boat, originally we were going to steam in some rib, however, thing got side tracked and that is not going to be the case. The wood is going to be put in the main cabin and the wheelhouse roof is going to be put in the cockpit so that it will not get damaged or lost on the trip down from Woodplumpton to Essex on the 1st of November. The masts will be put on the transport along with Chance, however, the booms will be able to come back with on the trailer on the set of high bars on the second trailer along with any of the parts that have not already been brought back to Essex before on previous trips. So part of this weeks trip is to going back a lot of the equipment that is in the boats interior and under her sides and make the yard look tidy ready for the lift and transporting back to Essex. So we are going to have our hands full and have a few long days ahead.

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    Wow, that's a daunting project!! What is the history of the boat?

    BTW, my 1929 Stephens has what looks to be the same type of large thru-hull (I think you called it a "skin fitting") for the toilet. When I restored her I took that apart and found the bronze cone valve was in near perfect condition. I cleaned it up, gave it a bit of grease and put it back in the boat. I use a Purasan system that processes the toilet waste before it comes back to that fitting to exit the boat.
    Now is a good time!


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    Over the past week my son Michael and myself have been at Woodplumpton finishing off loading the two box trailers with the last of the items from Chance. Now the trailers are loaded up to the gills with the last of the ballast weights from out of the bilges of Chance. The last of the furniture and old floorboards and other items from inside the cabins of Chance are now loaded all that is left to do is bring the trailers home to Walton on the Naze and empty the contents and label up the parts that are going to be used as patterns and what will be reused later on in the restoration project.
    That bit of the time we spent up at Woodplumpton in the yard where Chance is presently and waiting to be moved at the end of the month to come down to Walton on the Naze to continue the restoration where Chance will be close to my workshop and my home.
    This part of the operation when well enough apart from the weather was against us and it was showers and then rain for the time we were at the yard where Chance is presently stored.
    So my son Michael and myself got the trailers loaded as best we could under difficult conditions, however, we did get the trailers loaded with as much ballast and other items from under Chance so there is not going to be much left to load when /Chance get put on to the transport. All that is left under Chance now is her Main and mizzen masts and that is all. The main and mizzen booms are on one of the trailer ready to come back to Walton on the Naze this coming week.
    The first trailer load should have been coming down with us this weekend, but the new to us pickup died on us on the way to my brothers home in Leeds after the first days work. So the trailer is still at Woodplumpton and the pickup is on its way to the dealership to be repaired.
    The pickup problem was the alternator packed up and killed the battery and it came to a stop. Thankfully it happened in the motorway service station, so my son and I could get something to eat and drink while we waited for the AA to arrive to take me to my brother's home overnight and then on down to my home in Essex.
    So one failed trip, however, it saved paying for the fuel on the way home.
    On a different note, once the trailers are back in Walton on the Naze and unloaded then some of the jobs can be started on while we wait for Chance to be transported back to Walton on the Naze.
    One of the first dirty jobs is going to be cleaning the floorboards which are going to be reused and also to clean and repaint the ballast iron ballast that as come out of the bilges and is covered in all sorts of dirty and god know what else.
    The ballast is going to be sandblasted and then given a few coats of epoxy tar and put to one side until it is refitted in the bilges of chance at the end of the restoration project.In the meantime there are a lot of jobs small and large to get on with over the course of the next four years so we will busy doing these jobs and showing ho they are done.
    So the next time we see Chance she should be arriving in Walton on the Naze to continue her restoration close to home.

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    Update on the movement of Chance,
    Yesterday had a long drive to Woodplumpton to pick up the larger of the two trailers with the last of the bits from Chance The trip lasted 15 and half hours to complete given the traffic and roadworks and the need to stop for coffee breaks a bite to eat and take a a break from driving that long distance in one day.
    The larger of the trailers had the last of the ballast weights we removed from the bilges earlier in the year before we cleaned out the bilges. This time it was about a ton in weight of iron weights . This with the three quarters of ton of iron ballast weights we have already got back at the yard is quite a lot of weight we have removed from the boat. This is only a small amount of the weight we have removed, one a quarter tons of which the engines weighted and the fuel and water tanks and the stern gear which as also been removed. Then a lot of furniture as come out of the interior of the cabins so all that is left is the bulkheads which are still in position keeping the boats shape.
    So it is one final trip to Woodplumpton on Monday to pick up the smaller trailer and supervise the loading of Chance on to transport fro her trip back to Walton on the Naze. Chance should be arriving on Tuesday to get off loaded at Walton on the Naze for the family and I to get on with the restoration with her near to my workshop. This will make the restoration a lot easier to do and control.
    Now it is the hands of the crane operators at each end and the transport company. I have used the crane operators and the transport company in the past and they people I would always go to when I need any boats moving around the country.

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    The time is almost upon us and just got to get Chance loaded on to Transport and moved to Walton on the Naze in Essex



    This past year as been a uphill battle against the effects of Covid and its effect on Simon;s boatbuilding business, which thankfully as come through the pandemic and other family pressures which has put a strain on the Chance restoration project. We have now been able to finally move Chance to Essex from Lancashire.
    So ​after 18 months of working on Chance in Woodplumpton and doing a lot of work to strip her down to a stage where it is possible to gauge the task ahead. It has been able to get Chance moved to be closer to Simon's yard and workshop so that the major work to restore Chance can be done. Now with Simon's workshop close by and he and the family will be able to do the major work much easier than before. When before it involved and 600 mile round trip very time we had to work on Chance to get her to this stage in her restoration.
    Because Chance will be closer to Simon's Workshop there will be more time being able to work on Chance and not travelling up and down country using up much needed funds to help with the restoration of Chance.
    So hopefully on Monday Chances' next great adventure will start with her move down from Woodplumpton to Walton on the Naze.
    We hope to video as much of the loading and movement and offloading as possible and show it it in our next weekly vlog.





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    Default Re: Life's' a Gamble,so lets take a Chance

    Getting the crane and lorry set up to get Chance loaded on to the low loader so she can make her road trip down to Essex from Woodplumpton





    Getting the slings set upo to lift Chance for the first time in 2 years




    Making final adjustments to the slings before making the lift




    Taking the weight and ensuring Chance lift level so it can be moved over the loader trailer




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