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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigadog View Post
    i guess it official, they have informed her bees.

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    Yes they knew about that too, and used it as a means of communication?

    We mustn't underate the past generations?

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    I don't think most of you will agree, but this article contains very well my opinion on the role of the queen.

    Along with the Queen, Britain is laying to rest a sacred national image that never was
    Nesrine Malik

    She was the embodiment of an infallible nation, but in this new era we will speak of our imperfections

    In Britain, there has been a whiff of decline in the air for a long time, temporarily masked by the cheap synthetic scent of Boris Johnson’s cheerleader government. But it is now unmistakable. When people used to say the Queen was to be admired because “she does the job so well”, I never quite understood what that meant. As far as I could see, her job was simply to turn up, go through protocols and not go off script. But the truth is that what others saw was a display of confidence, coherence and continuity, when the country she ruled over had little of these. Hers was a sanitising presence against a backdrop of wars, economic crises, Brexit and Covid.

    That’s what a good head of state is meant to do, we are told: be there for moral support in times of national emergency, and stay out of it in moments of political upheaval. But the less she said, or the more she didn’t say, the more she enveloped the country in a sleepy, warm embrace of unreality. That is gone now.
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    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/11/queen-britain-sacred-national-image-national-royal-fallibility

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    Lots of polishing going on now. The media's demonization of Charles and Camilla was certainly distasteful and it's good that they can put all that behind them but now we see the very same media applying their elbow grease very differently.
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    The high water mark of monarchist sentiment in the media will be reached next Monday, with the State Funeral, to which Everyone is coming (except Donald Trump).

    After that, normal service will resume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    The high water mark of monarchist sentiment in the media will be reached next Monday, with the State Funeral, to which Everyone is coming (except Donald Trump).

    After that, normal service will resume.
    And then we can look forward to the coronation
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    Stupid, but vaguely amusing:

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    for nature cannot be fooled."

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    This royal worship is rather like nostalgia for feudalism . .


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    ^ Really?


    It is more likely some sort of spiritual urge by people who do not attend church
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    Watching the state funeral, I can't help but ask a slightly shallow question: wouldn't horse poop bags be less undignified than what we see the hearse driving over? Surely that part of military marching doesn't need to be kept oldschool, does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WszystekPoTrochu View Post
    Watching the state funeral, I can't help but ask a slightly shallow question: wouldn't horse poop bags be less undignified than what we see the hearse driving over? Surely that part of military marching doesn't need to be kept oldschool, does it?
    Her Majesty was a "horse person", owned wellingtons and knew what they were for. I'm sure she'd be slightly amused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WszystekPoTrochu View Post
    Watching the state funeral, I can't help but ask a slightly shallow question: wouldn't horse poop bags be less undignified than what we see the hearse driving over? Surely that part of military marching doesn't need to be kept oldschool, does it?
    In and out, so watching the odd bit. I thought there was a lot of poop on the road, then realised it was flowers, thrown by the crowd.

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    Monarch worship or monarch indifference, one thing for sure, as seen in post #113, is that the death of a monarch or monarch adjacent is very good for the British Florist Association.
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    Well, the Navy have demonstrated that they can march at least as well as the Army, which wasn’t quite the point but there is no way the Senior Service is ever letting go of that gun carriage, which they picked up on the quick suggestion of then Captain Battenberg at the funeral of Queen Victoria.

    The horses which were to pull the gun carriage panicked and were in danger of overturning it. Battenberg suggested that the contingent of Naval ratings could pull it instead; ropes were found and this was done. The Navy didn’t give the Army their gun carriage back.

    The only modern vehicle was the hearse, which fittingly for the late Queen, who was known for her fast driving, is a Jaguar. All the others have been around for decades.
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    I was a bit surprised that the Scottish Hearse was a Merc?
    Interesting bit about the gun carriage from Victoria's funeral, thanks.

    The Guards' horses weren't too keen on the bagpipes...Obviously gentlehorses ;o)

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    I think the logistics of getting the Royal Hearse from Scotland to England faster than the aircraft defeated everyone. But I don’t see why it could not have been driven onto the plane. A C17 has a ramp! Anyway the plane is back on the day job ferrying stuff to Ukraine.
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    Well, the Gun Run contest showed that the navy were far better at manhuling field guns than the army ever were.
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    Sounds Like Charles wants to make some changes.


    Looks like King Charles is about to make some serious changes when it comes to the royal family. The Telegraph reports that Charles wants to change a law regarding who can serve as an official stand-in should be be "indisposed."

    Quick background before we get into it: Under the 1937 Regency Act, the monarch's spouse (so, Queen Consort Camilla) as well as the four adults next in line to the throne (so, Prince William, Prince Harry, Prince Andrew, and Princess Beatrice) can be—as The Telegraph puts it—"can be deployed as counsellors of state on official business."

    But Charles wants to change the law so that this rule only applies to working members of the royal family—meaning everyone on this list other than Prince William (so, Prince Harry, Prince Andrew, and Princess Beatrice), would no longer be in line to be counsellors of state.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Well, the Gun Run contest showed that the navy were far better at manhuling field guns than the army ever were.
    Reminds me of the Royal Tournament (sp) with the gun crews competing round a course. Earls Court back in the 60's?

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    I was struck by the fact that despite the traditional dress uniforms worn by all, the arms they carried were modern assault rifles. They seemed out of character with the nature of the proceedings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Hazard View Post
    I was struck by the fact that despite the traditional dress uniforms worn by all, the arms they carried were modern assault rifles. They seemed out of character with the nature of the proceedings.
    They are all active service, so carry the arms they would use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew2 View Post
    They are all active service, so carry the arms they would use.
    I imagine that the arms the soldiers carried during George VI's funeral were the contemporary arms of that period as well.

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    I have two sons who wish that the Lee-Enfield had been retained for ceremonial duties. There are still warehouses full of them. Approximately none of the rifle drills were developed with a bullpup rifle in mind; they have to be adapted, and it’s awkward and doesn’t look as good.

    Anyway, here’s a nice article on where all the flummery comes from:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...terrible-at-it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatbum View Post
    Sounds Like Charles wants to make some changes.
    I understand that Harry and whoever would follow his example is the primary target of these changes, but why would he exclude his own spouse?


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    I thought there was a lot of poop on the road, then realised it was flowers
    I'm no florist, but these plants
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    I think, frankly, it's very sound to specify that "working Royals" are qualified to stand in for an indisposed monarch, but those who've chosen other lives ... have chosen other lives. Their choice should be honoured both in what freedoms they've sought, and what corresponding responsibilities or opportunities they've in the same stroke foregone.

    This doesn't change anything about succession, just about doing the actual work of a working Royal.
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    From several days ago
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    Charles didn’t appoint Andrew as anything; the list of Counsellors of State is fixed by the Regency Acts. Blame King George IV.
    Quote Originally Posted by NickW View Post
    Which if The i is to be believed is going to be amended in the very near future principally to allow Anne, Edward and Sophie to act as Counsellors of State along with William and Harry. Hence Andrew will be consigned to oblivion and not before time.

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    Remarkable close-up of the embarrassing bit of paper, dropped just after the coffin arrived at Westminster Abbey...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    I have two sons who wish that the Lee-Enfield had been retained for ceremonial duties. There are still warehouses full of them. Approximately none of the rifle drills were developed with a bullpup rifle in mind; they have to be adapted, and it’s awkward and doesn’t look as good.

    Anyway, here’s a nice article on where all the flummery comes from:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...terrible-at-it
    Enjoyed that
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    I was wondering how they would get her coffin down into the crypt.
    At the end of the committal service in St George's Chapel, her coffin
    just magically disappeared into the floor, lowered by hydraulics into the
    crypt below. Pretty cool.
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    This is what the choir will sing at King Charles' coronation:

    Zadok the priest
    And Nathan the prophet
    Anointed Solomon king
    And all the people rejoiced, rejoiced, rejoiced
    And all the people rejoiced, rejoiced, rejoiced
    Rejoiced, rejoiced, rejoiced
    And all the people rejoiced, rejoiced
    Rejoiced and said
    God save the king
    Long live the king
    God save the king
    May the king live forever
    Amen, amen, alleluia, alleluia, amen, amen
    Amen, amen, alleluia, amen
    God save the king
    Long live the king
    May the king live forever
    Amen, amen, alleluia, alleluia, amen
    May the king live
    May the king live
    Forever, forever, forever
    Amen, amen, alleluia, alleluia, amen, amen
    Alleluia, alleluia, amen, amen, amen
    Amen, amen, alleluia, alleluia, alleluia, amen
    God save the king
    God save the king
    Long live the king
    May the king live
    May the king live
    Forever, forever, forever
    Amen, amen, alleluia, alleluia, amen, amen, amen
    Amen, amen, amen, alleluia, amen
    Alleluia, amen, amen
    Alleluia, alleluia

    Nice music but the lyrics make I Wanna Hold Your Hand look deep
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    This is what the choir will sing at King Charles' coronation:

    Zadok the priest
    And Nathan the prophet
    Anointed Solomon king
    And all the people rejoiced, rejoiced, rejoiced
    And all the people rejoiced, rejoiced, rejoiced
    Rejoiced, rejoiced, rejoiced
    And all the people rejoiced, rejoiced
    Rejoiced and said
    God save the king



    Alleluia, amen, amen
    Alleluia, alleluia

    Nice music but the lyrics make I Wanna Hold Your Hand look deep
    C'mon. What do you expect from Handel? Have you not looked at the text of "The Messiah", or any soprano or tenor aria in any of his italian operas?

    He made a deal with the Devil, while his colleague over in Leipzig made a deal with God. Handel's deal was to make pretty music with lots of sonorities and big open vowels.

    His buddy stuck in Leipzig went a totally different direction, for the mind meld.
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    Concerning the rifles, I have to agree with your sons, Andrew. If these ceremonies feature officers carrying swords and archers carrying longbows, why can't the soldiers carry Lee-Enfields, or better yet, Brown Bess muskets? Those bullpup rifles, as effective as they undoubtably are in battle, look like glorified staplers when carried in a parade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elf View Post
    C'mon. What do you expect from Handel? Have you not looked at the text of "The Messiah", or any soprano or tenor aria in any of his italian operas?

    He made a deal with the Devil, while his colleague over in Leipzig made a deal with God. Handel's deal was to make pretty music with lots of sonorities and big open vowels.

    His buddy stuck in Leipzig went a totally different direction, for the mind meld.
    I'm not actually knocking it, nor do I mind it. There's been a lot of commentary over the years, though, about the inane lyrics of pop music.
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