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    Hello all.
    What a great forum however our first post is a cheeky one Im afraid. We're in the UK and on the look out for a Clovelly Picarooner, if anyone can help we'd be most grateful.
    Thank you, Ian/Louise

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    Hi, and welcome to the forum.

    Apart from a couple of new build reproductions, I doubt whether there are any used ones left.
    If Clovelly has a Harboutr Master, they may be able to advise.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    There's one on the village quay that's used and one in the museum as you enter that a chap on here Peter Radclyffe built. I've not seen a wood one for sale for some years. I'd say bar those two they're extinct.



    Heard's took a mold off something similar (not sure it's exact or maybe they took the tumblehome out of it) and made the grp ones.

    If you're looking for something of this ilk, the Salterns Tela is a bit narrower, slimmer, faster with good ballast ratio. That'd be a good adventuresome daysailer. Origins are the small Barry pilot boats on the other side of the Bristol Channel.

    For off the shelf plans, I don't think there's ever been a proper set of lines done. There are some basic measurements and I took a load of photos when I visited Clovelley. A Vivier Ebihen 16 is about as close as you'll find with the yawl rig.



    Not as heavy displacement, but easier to launch and live with. It would sail rings around a Picarooner in reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    There's one on the village quay that's used and one in the museum as you enter that a chap on here Peter Radclyffe built. I've not seen a wood one for sale for some years. I'd say bar those two they're extinct.



    Heard's took a mold off something similar (not sure it's exact or maybe they took the tumblehome out of it) and made the grp ones.

    If you're looking for something of this ilk, the Salterns Tela is a bit narrower, slimmer, faster with good ballast ratio. That'd be a good adventuresome daysailer. Origins are the small Barry pilot boats on the other side of the Bristol Channel.

    For off the shelf plans, I don't think there's ever been a proper set of lines done. There are some basic measurements and I took a load of photos when I visited Clovelley. A Vivier Ebihen 16 is about as close as you'll find with the yawl rig.



    Not as heavy displacement, but easier to launch and live with. It would sail rings around a Picarooner in reality.
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    nick smith used my details to build one, he can build you one in salcombe

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    Apparently Nick Smith built one.
    https://nicksmithboatbuilder.co.uk/
    Inboard power though, not sails.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Is the OP referring to the GRP versions built by Gaffers & Luggers, like these?

    http://www.photofilecornwall.co.uk/c...g-in-fowey.htm



    Click the links in the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanHarg View Post
    Hello all.
    What a great forum however our first post is a cheeky one Im afraid. We're in the UK and on the look out for a Clovelly Picarooner, if anyone can help we'd be most grateful.
    Thank you, Ian/Louise
    Quote Originally Posted by NickW View Post
    Is the OP referring to the GRP versions built by Gaffers & Luggers, like these?

    http://www.photofilecornwall.co.uk/c...g-in-fowey.htm



    Click the links in the article.

    Nick
    If they want frozen snot, they are being damned cheeky asking on here.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Hi again everyone and sorry for the late reply,

    Thank you all for the suggestions and yes that Gaffers and Luggers sailing photo is what got our juices flowing in the first place so to speak. We came across it by accident and I knew straight away that thats what I'd been looking for for years.

    As a family back in the 60's we sailed an old 18ft clinker open hull life boat looking thing, goodness knows how old it was but it was really lovely (I'll try and dig out a pic if anyones interested, would be nice to find out exactly what it was).

    Anyway, Lasers/GP's etc are fun but its time to take on some extra weight and girth and slow it all down a bit. Heres hoping.

    Frozen Snot? Now thats going to take a lot of Googling to figure out...haha

    Ian

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    The first version of the Heard grp Picarooner was fairly open with basic front and rear tanks if I remember.



    There was a later version that had an internal molding - more side tanks and storage that's probably worth looking for.




    Heard's son Sam has a small boatyard down in Cornwall and I think he kept the Picarooner molds, so could make you a new one. He mainly makes them as small hire launches but there's usually a few for sale over a summer.

    Other good dayboats would be the Tela I (has quite alot of ballast, I think 50% ratio and quite slim) mentioned or the Norfolk Oyster. The Norfolk Oyster will be the best designed and Charlie Wards boats had the best build quality by far, but a bit more spendy. The Heards are fine - simple and strong - but a bit more Cornish workboat - galvanised fittings rather than bronze etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanHarg View Post

    Frozen Snot? Now thats going to take a lot of Googling to figure out...haha

    Ian
    L Francis Herreshoff's disparaging reference to GRP.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

    That fiberglass dinghy is handsome, and probably easier to find.

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    In reference to the GRP thing. A new wooden eg would be a dream but we neither have the cash nor a nice cosy place to look after one so I suspect snot and a winter cover it will have to be. I can live with that as long as it's dripping in wooden trim, soaked in the galvanic sauce, and topped off with lashings of bronze fittings and hemp rope, tho I expect the latter is probably not terrible practical. Would actually be interesting to glean forum opinion re natural or plastic rope.

    Rather like this one...wide seats, nice looking.Grace polperrocouk.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    The first version of the Heard grp Picarooner was fairly open with basic front and rear tanks if I remember.



    There was a later version that had an internal molding - more side tanks and storage that's probably worth looking for.




    Heard's son Sam has a small boatyard down in Cornwall and I think he kept the Picarooner molds, so could make you a new one. He mainly makes them as small hire launches but there's usually a few for sale over a summer.

    Other good dayboats would be the Tela I (has quite alot of ballast, I think 50% ratio and quite slim) mentioned or the Norfolk Oyster. The Norfolk Oyster will be the best designed and Charlie Wards boats had the best build quality by far, but a bit more spendy. The Heards are fine - simple and strong - but a bit more Cornish workboat - galvanised fittings rather than bronze etc.
    martin heard bought a wooden mfv yacht hull i designed and built, i searched for years,eventually sam heard told me

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    Well we've made one decisison. No way can we afford the lovely Norfolk Oyster, shame as it looks a very well designed and built vessel. Peter, I understand your quite an authority regarding the whereabouts of the Picarooner, don't suppose you know of any for sale anywhere.

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    This one was listed on facebook marketplace 4 weeks ago...looks as nice as they come. 4.5k inc trailer and 4 stroke engine. Falmouth.




    https://en-gb.facebook.com/marketpla...tory_type=post


    There's a second one with what looks a very nice fit out done just last year. Trailer and engine. 5.5k. Loose footed lug rig.




    https://en-gb.facebook.com/marketpla...tory_type=post

    There's a third one listed 22 weeks ago at 4.5k on the north Cornish coast at St Agnes.





    https://en-gb.facebook.com/marketpla...tory_type=post

    Before trailing one accross the country, you really want to invest 10-20 in new trailer bearings and at the very least pump some new grease in through the hub grease nipples (if so equipped) to get it home safely. Also take a look at the tyres as they can be pretty old and cracked in many cases. New tyres on wheels that you can bolt on also saves a calamity.
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    Thanks Edward that's really useful and grt info too re the trailer to avoid calamity.. Re my search. I was inputting 'Clovelly' Picarooner with the Clovelly bit voiding the search...odd but there. Anyway interesting the one with bilge keels, wonder how it sails, do you have experience?

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    Not sailed a Picarooner, though I thought about one a while back. We had a Moody 27 bilge keeler that sailed very well, I'd need to look at the appendages to give an opinion. If they've only made it level with the bottom of the original keel, it'll get to windward but at a poor pointing angle compared to a centreboard version. If the bilge keels are fairly deep it'll go fine but then you've got more work putting it in and out. I'd pass on it as its not standard (sorry didn''t see that).

    There's a nice unused 15ft Wolstenholme Swallow (WRC strip planked) on Woodenships. Similar to a Picarooner in layout, but less displacement, it'll be a very quick and a very good daysailer. I've had two of his Coots. Looks like it needs a trailer. That's a good boat though and it'll be as quick as they come. 5k but he's probably spent 3.5k in materials besides the years of work. Put it on a good roller coaster trailer to get it in and out easy and that's a superb inshore dayboat, you won't regret owning.




    Wolstenholme's plan study plans for dimensions etc...

    https://wolstenholmedesign.com/portf.../dinghy-plans/
    Last edited by Edward Pearson; 09-10-2022 at 08:06 AM.

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