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    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Epirb.

    The bullet hole is a nice accent.

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    Some of my best wilderness experiences were the result of bushwacking. In the Cascades, the Olympics, and the Kalmiopsis. Not to be attempted lightly, however. Or by neophytes, the ill-equipped, or the out of shape.
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    cell phone dependency.

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    You should try Namibia.

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    three of the top five deadliest national parks and national forests or recreation areas are in arizona, primary causes of death: falls and heat stroke

    interestingly enough the grand canyon leads the national parks in suicides
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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    You should try Namibia.
    my neighbors left on tuesday for to spend three weeks there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    my neighbors left on tuesday for to spend three weeks there
    Probably be cooler than Phoenix.

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    about forty degrees cooler as far as daily average temps go
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Taking the Lost Dutchman trail up to the Flatiron?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowolf View Post
    Taking the Lost Dutchman trail up to the Flatiron?
    working up to it, 1.5 year post knee replacement, 1.0 year post ankle and foot reconstruction

    it was 110 here yesterday

    each morning i start a little earlier and make it a little further

    supposedly its an eight hour hike, i'm really good for about 3 hours
    it has a 2000' ft elevation gain over the length of the trail
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    ^ You should read the first chapter of The Ministry for the Future to see what is in store for your area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    interestingly enough the grand canyon leads the national parks in suicides
    I can picture the ad campaign for that market: 'Tired? Depressed? When you visit the Grand Canyon, the answer to your problems is just a step away.'

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    An 8 hour hike hurts to think about.

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    I have a friend who used to spend a week every year through hiking wilderness areas like Yellowstone. He always hiked alone and always in grizzly country. His wife and daughters would drop him off a point A and pick him up a week later at point B. He was always punctual. Amazing fellow, but I question his judgement.

    If I did anything like that, I'd seriously consider having a satellite phone. You might, too.
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    what good is a sat phone versus a grizzly bear?
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    There’s no guarantee of being killed before being eaten. Gives you a chance to say goodbye.

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    Edit-I mean post one last time here. Need pics.

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    ...........anyone up for a trek across the Simpson Desert?


    ....and the ocean is a fairly big wilderness I will be heading out into next Feb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryLL View Post

    In either case it would be wise to pack a position indicator beacon, so they can locate your remains.
    i generally just text my wife where i'm headed to before i go

    she knows where the trail heads are that i frequent, at least she'll be able to go retrieve the vehicle
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    Yeah. Why would you want to locate the leftovers? Ugh. (No offense).

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    FYI: The Lost Dutchman trail ends about 2/3rds of the way up to the Flatiron.

    That’s when the real fun begins.

    But the view up there is amazing.

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    from the state park service website

    It is possible to hike up the Flatiron (5.8 miles ), although it is not a designated, maintained trail all the way. It's advised that only experienced hikers in good shape attempt to hike to the top, as the climb is steep and difficult to follow. Allow at least five hours for the Flatiron hike. *****This trail is not recommended during hot weather.
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    i'm not actually using the trailheads at 'lost dutchman'

    i start from 'first water' and the 'murder grounds' slightly further northeast in tonto national forest
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    what good is a sat phone versus a grizzly bear?
    Two unrelated bits of advice. The phone is in case you fall. The friend is so someone can lead the search party back to find your body parts when the grizzly sh1ts them out.
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    Silly Mountain is a nice hike, too.

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    If there is cell service then it’s not wilderness. It just looks like it is.

    Me and some other crazy people last February.

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    Marine airhorns and hockey whistles are key in grizzly country. Less surprises all around.
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    I went fishing in Alaska and the guide service brochure advised bringing a whistle and pepper spray.

    Then, I get there, and the guides are giving us a bear briefing. Look for bear sign, like scat, they said.

    Black bear scat looks like such and such, says the guide.

    We asked about grizzly scat.

    Grizzly scat is usually full of whistles and pepper spray cans, says he.



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    In Kodiak, they told me that the 44 magnum was better than nothing. But recommended larger. No fun to hike with irl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeadon View Post
    Marine airhorns and hockey whistles are key in grizzly country. Less surprises all around.
    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    I went fishing in Alaska and the guide service brochure advised bringing a whistle and pepper spray.

    Then, I get there, and the guides are giving us a bear briefing. Look for bear sign, like scat, they said.

    Black bear scat looks like such and such, says the guide.

    We asked about grizzly scat.

    Grizzly scat is usually full of whistles and pepper spray cans, says he.



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    I was told the same thing by the Yellowstone geologist. He said to make human sounds, so I sang show tunes whenever I was walking along the river, fly fishing. I don't know many, so I repeated myself a lot. Then I found the spinal column of an elk with some of the ribs still attached and sang louder.
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    I've read this - it's worth a scan. Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance

    On our sail & oar trip north up to Telegraph Cove a few years back I saw many more bears than whales. Mostly black bears, some brown bears. All looked hungry. All looked big. It's why I like to sleep in the boat versus on shore. I'm really leery of bears, if you haven't caught that by now. Of course next week, we're headed to Glacier National Park for the sixth (?) time in 10 years. Bear Country USA. Can't wait.
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    Yeadon is right, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    He always hiked alone and always in grizzly country.

    If I did anything like that, I'd seriously consider having a satellite phone. You might, too.
    I worked, often alone, for many years in griz habitat, and watched them from a distance. The key to avoiding encounters is reading sign (tracks, scrapes, feeding areas, cone caches, etc.) and giving them a wide berth, not camping nearby, limiting food odors from cooking and storage, etc.

    If you were charged by a griz, a sat phone wouldn't do you any good. You wouldn't have time to dial.

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    ^ you could throw the phone at it

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    As a young, and not so young man I did a fair bit of 'scrub bashing' on the mountains, using contour maps as a starting point. And there were old logging and mining trails, stock routes, abandoned gold digings etc. Some places if high enough were easier to reach on XC skis than walking in the summer. Some required several approaches over a few years, but a bushfire can change all that in a week. At first it revealls all the old hand cut benches and abandoned equipment, but 2 springs on it's saplings so dense you cannot walk between them and all the old trails are lost.
    Desert wilderness is different, you can see horizon to horizon, and to the untrained, or uninitiated eye it all looks the same. You can be just as confounded for choice as on a mountain ridge with only 2, up or down.

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