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    German armored pillbox in Brittany. Seems to have taken a bit of a shellacking from naval gunnery.

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    Wow. That would have sucked.

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    I was torn with the title. Should it have been "It's Going To Be Loud", or "Ring My Bell"?
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    What?! WHAT?!?!

    At the Navy Museum in DC, there is a piece of metal from a captured Japanese warship that the Navy shot with an armor piercing round.
    The round cut a clean hole through, like, 16” of metal, leaving a swirling pattern that shows the spin of the projectile. It really showed me the crazy power of those big ass guns…

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    I have to wonder if there was a shock wave inside when the shell hit outside? It could have been fatal without ever penetrating.
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    ^ . . . . or an exploding shell consumed all the oxygen in the pillbox and surrounding area (?)

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    That's some accurate naval gunnery. The stuff around the pillbox looks undamaged. How could they pull that off back in 1944?

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    That's some accurate naval gunnery. The stuff around the pillbox looks undamaged. How could they pull that off back in 1944?
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    I suppose the Germans could have waited below while the naval gunnery did its work, then to come up to stick a machine gun out that port when allied infantry approached.

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    Reading another thread, I reckon some guy just ran his compressor once too many times just to the left of the pillar.
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    Look at the trajectory of those shell holes. Looks more like a tank or light gun brought up close.

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    Steel is a liquid.

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    No pictures of the inside?
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    20mm anti aircraft, the British had some mounted on tanks or from a landing craft, with lots of spalling inside. The concrete portion would have been buried.

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    Further info. A bit of an anticlimax.
    The most striking things that you will see at the Cité d’Alet are the armoured steel turrets along what is a very picturesque walk around the promontory. They are literally peppered by shell fire. But the vast majority of the shell fire is not as a result of the battle which raged around St Malo for nearly two weeks.
    Cité d’Alet- German heavy machine gun turret after US attempt (post battle) to destroy them


    No it’s a demonstration of the strength of these turrets, as after the battle, the Americans brought up various tanks and other anti-tank weapons into range and fired at them to see how much punishment they would take. It is incredible to see that virtually all the hits show shells bouncing off or merely embedding themselves into the armoured steel without penetrating it. I found only one shell hole which had penetrated the cupola straight through, whilst one other shell appears to have found a way in at the point where the moveable gun port shield slots into the turret.
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    I found a picture that’s better than the one I took. I was wrong, too. 16” gun, and roughly 26” plate.

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    How were these turrets manufactured? One-piece forgings?

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    320mm belt armour from the Tirpitz penetrated by modern artillery.

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    Transporting that pillbox to its position must have been a hell of a task!
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    Was once told of the concrete emplacements above the Normandy Beaches. Evidently the Todt Organisation, which built the concrete structures, used sand from the beaches to make the concrete. The concrete was way below specs. When hit by cannon rounds, the outside would spall, and shards on the inside would fly off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Bow View Post
    Was once told of the concrete emplacements above the Normandy Beaches. Evidently the Todt Organisation, which built the concrete structures, used sand from the beaches to make the concrete. The concrete was way below specs. When hit by cannon rounds, the outside would spall, and shards on the inside would fly off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye54 View Post
    ^ . . . . or an exploding shell consumed all the oxygen in the pillbox and surrounding area (?)
    explosive compounds as a rule generate their own oxygen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Hazard View Post
    I suppose the Germans could have waited below while the naval gunnery did its work, then to come up to stick a machine gun out that port when allied infantry approached.
    Or stick a machine gun out of one of the holes conveniently made by the allied shells

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