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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    you are badly, badly out of date, osborne.

    today's russian apologists are reactionaries.
    Today, as opposed to when?

    You mean Russian Russian apologists, or non-Russian Russian apologists?

    Many Russian apologists are American-right-wing-type-apologists e.g. Tucker Carlson. But then there's Marine Le Pen, Viktor Orban, the Chineses Commies, India, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    Maybe I'm mis-reading OR; but I think, instead, most here are. (I could be wrong - sure OR will let me know!). I'm reading him as denigrating what AI has done, what russia continues to do, as the aggressor. Ascerbic doesn't always come across in print.

    AFA vaDim - you've absolutely no status from which to criticize anyone. Damn troll.
    Yeah, more or less. Is it really not clear?

    BTW, the head of the Ukraine division of Amnesty International resigned over this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    WTF are you talking about? It has been claimed by Russia to be a casus belli, going back to the invasion of Crimea. Putin himself.
    and what does that have to do with "liberal" in 2022?

    it was reactionaries chanting "russia is our friend!" at charlottesville. it is maggats wearing the pro russia tee-shirts. it was trump calling the invasion "genius". it was reactionary politicians who met the ukraine invasion with nonchalance. it is righties reading and repeating rt talking points. possibly even at amnesty international. why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    and what does that have to do with "liberal" in 2022?
    Is AI not liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    it was reactionaries chanting "russia is our friend!" at charlottesville. it is maggats wearing the pro russia tee-shirts. it was trump calling the invasion "genius". it was reactionary politicians who met the ukraine invasion with nonchalance. it is righties reading and repeating rt talking points. possibly even at amnesty international. why not?
    What, they were infiltrated by the khakis-tiki-torch guys? Or Russian plants? Maybe Antifa. Anti-fascist! Possible. But I'm sticking with AI being liberal, twit liberal that is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Yeah, more or less. Is it really not clear?

    BTW, the head of the Ukraine division of Amnesty International resigned over this.
    If the management of the organization continues to repeat this, I will stop giving them support as I hope others do, too.
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    Amnesty International has been an organisation with a good reputation across the political spectrum in Sweden. My view is that their supporters would identify as socialists, social democrats, greens, non-political and non-socialists.

    Persons identifying as liberals (part of the non-socialists) would be as many as conservatives. Non-socialists generally don't bother too much with ideology and most wouldn't identify with either group. If you'd asked 10 AI members, maybe one in ten would have identified as liberal.

    Amnesty International's report criticising Ukraine was highly unpopular across the political spectrum in Sweden. The Swedish section was given the opportunity to distance themselves from the report but choose to double down on it and voice their full support. A few days later members started leaving. The leader of Amnesty International Sweden was interviewed on Swedish state TV (tries to be objective but is somewhat left leaning) regarding the exodus of "thousands of members". She didn't refute those numbers and was concerned regarding the situation.

    I've not seen any statistics; it wouldn't be public information. Those numbers probably came from a concerned leak within the organisation. I don't know if non-socialists have left in larger numbers than socialists, but expect that socialists would be as annoyed with the Russian invasion of Ukraine as non-socialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERGR View Post

    Amnesty International's report criticising Ukraine was highly unpopular across the political spectrum in Sweden. The Swedish section was given the opportunity to distance themselves from the report but choose to double down on it and voice their full support. A few days later members started leaving. The leader of Amnesty International Sweden was interviewed on Swedish state TV (tries to be objective but is somewhat left leaning) regarding the exodus of "thousands of members". She didn't refute those numbers and was concerned regarding the situation.



    /Erik

    Thank you. An internet search did not show any information regarding an exodus of members. Not the first time an International body has suffered from political push back when their findings do not mesh with the narrative being driven by governments. Weapons inspectors in Iraq, OPCW in Syria just 2 recent examples.

    Seems some people do not know how these reports come about, someone is quite likely putting their life at risk to get accurate information; just because one may not like the report, does not mean as an International body their work is invalid.

    Pity more people are not concerned how its being politically spun, rather than the actual data reported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    ..... is there any question that the people who support AI even in this condemnation of Ukraine, from anywhere in the world, would describe themselves as liberal?
    It strikes me as prezacty the kind of thing a so called conservative would jump on to argue against the US say intervening in someone else's war. Those wacko reactionary conservatives simply LOVE a bit of outrage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    It strikes me as prezacty the kind of thing a so called conservative would jump on to argue against the US say intervening in someone else's war. Those wacko reactionary conservatives simply LOVE a bit of outrage.
    Twit liberals seem determined to provide a steady supply.
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