Alex Jones' bad day

[Tom Wilkinson]

I'm not convinced these people know they're lying. There is something wrong in their brains such that they believe in the moment they say something that that something is true.

The committee has done a pretty good job of proving that Trump had all the information he needed to know that he was lying. Unfortunately, the committee has still not proven that Trump "knew" he was lying.

All Trump knows is lying. He does it as easily as breathing. And you can see in the outtakes from his Jan statement that he knows he is lying.

[Figment]

Sounds like Jones's lawyer is being careful not to get run down with his client.

My first thought was that they're setting up an appeal based on incompetent counsel.

Any defendant getting lectured by a judge like that has either ignored their counsel's advice or been given extraordinarily bad advice.

[skuthorp]

Hmm, that's possible, guns-for-hire can be devious.

[CWSmith]

I'm not convinced these people know they're lying. There is something wrong in their brains such that they believe in the moment they say something that that something is true.

The committee has done a pretty good job of proving that Trump had all the information he needed to know that he was lying. Unfortunately, the committee has still not proven that Trump "knew" he was lying.

It is true that they don't know they are telling lies because they get their information from only one voice that is SHOUTED at them from multiple places. The lock-step march of the right does not provide room for thinking or debate. They use fear and blame from a chorus of voices all singing the same tune. We are talking about people who don't realize they aren't thinking about the problem. They have their talking points and they know the right responses, but they don't put things together.

They don't deliberately lie (or at least, not the rank & file while the leaders do). They just don't know any better and they don't want to know.

[Tom Wilkinson]

It is true that they don't know they are telling lies because they get their information from only one voice that is SHOUTED at them from multiple places. The lock-step march of the right does not provide room for thinking or debate. They use fear and blame from a chorus of voices all singing the same tune. We are talking about people who don't realize they aren't thinking about the problem. They have their talking points and they know the right responses, but they don't put things together.

They don't deliberately lie (or at least, not the rank & file while the leaders do). They just don't know any better and they don't want to know.

This guy knows damn well he is lying. He is one of the major sources of this cancer but his lies are very profitable. If he didn’t know he was lying they wouldn’t have stonewalled discovery forever.

[Figment]

Agreed. Absolutely and intentionally lying for profit and fame.

[CWSmith]

This guy knows damn well he is lying. He is one of the major sources of this cancer but his lies are very profitable. If he didn’t know he was lying they wouldn’t have stonewalled discovery forever.

This guy does. His followers don't, or don't want to.

[David G]

This guy does. His followers don't, or don't want to.

The bamboozled and the bamboozler.

[Bobcat]

My first thought was that they're setting up an appeal based on incompetent counsel.

Any defendant getting lectured by a judge like that has either ignored their counsel's advice or been given extraordinarily bad advice.

You can't appeal a civil verdict on the basis of ineffective counsel, only a criminal matter. In a civil case, the client is the one who hires the lawyer and so you can't complain if you hire a bad attorney. You can sue your lawyer for malpractice, but it does nothing to the underlying verdict.

[Figment]

right. This stuff feels so criminal that I forgot it was a civil suit!

This lawyer who "accidentally" sent everything to the plaintiff... is there a gofundme or something for his Free Drinks For Life fund somewhere? I'm in for $20

[LeeG]

What a fitting end it would be if Trump's house of cards crumbles because of this living, breathing turd...

I’m thinking Jone’s collapse contributes to Trumpism’s decline

[Breakaway]

Yes! And Lee is correct, and that truth is critical. Those instructions should have included a reminder of the consequences the judge is empowered to impose, and the warning that she's done talking... next step is (whatever she decides... but actual consequences). He's a very slow learner who's lived in his own delusional bubble for a long time. It WILL take more than words to pop that bubble now.

Exactly. Those words from the judge were not forthcoming.




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[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

Apparently his day is not improving.....

[LeeG]

Apparently his day is not improving.....

wow, Jone’s lawyers are pretty much stuck on working for a mistrial.

[Nicholas Carey]

Apparently his day is not improving.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKbAmNwbiMk

Did Alex Jones get lawyer recommendations from TFG?

i like the bit where the plaintiff's attorneys haven requested by "several Federal agencies" to share the data dump from Jones' phone. Among which is the January 6 Committee.

[StevenBauer]

4 million dollars? Compensatory. That’s a joke.

Lets hope the punitive damages are a lot more.

[Tom Montgomery]

^
The plaintiff's attorney appeared very happy in his press conference. He had a big smile on his face and called this, "A good start." He said when it is all said and done he expects a total judgement against Alex Jones running to nine figures.

[skuthorp]

wow, Jone’s lawyers are pretty much stuck on working for a mistrial.

If it's that blatant could it open his lawyers to sanctions by the law authorities, or his professional association? Not to mention contempt proceedings against them for wasting the court's time.

[StevenBauer]

I’d like to see Jones do some real time for perjury. Make an example of him for all the other MAGA liars out there.

[sonofswen]

2 hours ago:

The jurors have left the courtroom to decide on the amount of punitive damages, if any, that Jones must pay Lewis and Heslin for defaming them with his Infowars broadcasts denying the truth of the shooting and implying on his show that Heslin was lying when he spoke publicly about cradling his son’s body after the shooting. The jury is now deliberating. Awaiting their verdict

[TomF]

They've come back. About $45M in punitive damage, subject to whatever restrictions Texas law may put on it.

Clearly the jury was aware that this was but the first of 3 such cases by different groups of the parents, and they were considering the resources which should be left for them to tap.

[StevenBauer]

$45,000,000? I guess that’s a start.

[SMARTINSEN]

Perhaps we could exchange him for Britany Griener.

[CWSmith]

$45,000,000? I guess that’s a start.

The best start will be that others of his kind realize that society is coming for them, too!

[Jim Bow]

CNN:

A jury finds Infowars conspiracy theorist Alex Jones should pay $45.2 million in punitive damages to the parents of a Sandy Hook shooting victim

[Rich Jones]

They've come back. About $45M in punitive damage, subject to whatever restrictions Texas law may put on it.

Clearly the jury was aware that this was but the first of 3 such cases by different groups of the parents, and they were considering the resources which should be left for them to tap.

Word is that Texas has a $750,000 cap on punitive damages in a lawsuit.

[George Jung]

True?

Or not?

I believe one of his other pending trials takes place outside of Texas.

[Nicholas Carey]

Word is that Texas has a $750,000 cap on punitive damages in a lawsuit.

True?

Or not?

I believe one of his other pending trials takes place outside of Texas.

From Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...nitive-damages

In Texas, there are statutory limits on punitive damages, with a per-defendant cap of two times the amount of economic damages, plus the amount of noneconomic damages found by the jury -- the latter part not to exceed $750,000.

Judge Maya Guerra Gamble of the 459th District Court in Travis County may reduce the punitive damages given those caps, and Jones' attorneys said immediately after the verdict that they would file a motion to reduce the punitive award.

"We do not believe punitive damage caps are constitutional as applied to our case and will certainly litigate that issue if necessary," Mark Bankston, one of the plaintiffs' attorneys, told Bloomberg Law.

[Tom Wilkinson]

Just as a side not, I believe Abbott signed the punitive damages cap into law AFTER he collected a rather large sum in his own case.

https://www.oginski-law.com/library/...settlement.cfm


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[Ted Hoppe]

They will extract more blood from this guy. Let's hope they secure his offshore accounts- heard he was moving 11k a day since the lawsuits started.

[Gerarddm]

BREAK HIM.

#LockHimUp!

[Hallam]

What disgusting example of a dead conscience that man is! Then again I’m reminded of how passé the notion of conscience seems to be.

[Tom Wilkinson]

Watching him on the stand is something else. The guy has zero remorse, zero conscience. He is a leech on society. I cannot find a single redeeming quality.
He and his cohost blatantly violate court rules even while the trial is going on. I am surprised the judge didn’t find them in contempt and that perjury has not become an issue.


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[George Jung]

Yeah. It's almost as if 'we' are afraid to hold these folks accountable. I don't get it.

[Keith Wilson]

. . . perjury has not become an issue.

Yet.

I'd bet that in Mr Jones's case, it's genuine mental illness, some variety of sociopathy / personality disorder, where he genuinely doesn't know the difference between truth and lies, at least when it comes out of his own mouth.