Imagine if there had been three more dems in the senate

[John Smith]

Trump's court nominees would not have been confirmed.

Voting rights laws protecting votes would have passed.

Abortion would still be covered by Roe.

EPA would have ability to do its work

Imagine.

[Too Little Time]

Had Democratic candidates shown some action rather than just a little empathy for the poor and minorities, they might have been elected. And you would have what you want.

You keep telling us what you want. What do the poor and minorities want that you are willing to give them? Nothing?

[The Gentleman Sawyer]

Imagine if Napoleon had had a B52.

Ken


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[Joe (SoCal)]

Had Democratic candidates shown some action rather than just a little empathy for the poor and minorities, they might have been elected. And you would have what you want.

You keep telling us what you want. What do the poor and minorities want that you are willing to give them? Nothing?

Imagine if there was no Electoral College - No Republican would have won in over 30 years. Every democrat wins the popular vote by millions. That means Al Gore would won, Hillary would have won, Garland would be SCJ and the entire SC would look remarkably different. Row V Wade would be enshrined as a federal legislation, Real common sense gun legislation, Universal Healthcare for all, free college, and paid for by just taking 2% of the MIC.


Ahhh
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

[Jim Bow]

Add to Joe’s list, no Iraq invasion and occupation.

[Joe (SoCal)]

Imagine I was superman . . . stupid.

Limits on IMAGINATION ???
Hmmmmm Ok you do you I'll do me, my imagination has no limits

[Canoeyawl]

Classic story of locking the barn after the horse is stolen, It's the American way.
All the handwringing in the world is not going to reverse that decision
It will take organization and cooperation over a generation (or more likely two generations) so 50 years...
In the meantime it is just whinging which is not becoming

[John Smith]

Had Democratic candidates shown some action rather than just a little empathy for the poor and minorities, they might have been elected. And you would have what you want.

You keep telling us what you want. What do the poor and minorities want that you are willing to give them? Nothing?

48 out of 50 democratic senators voted for progress. NO GOP senators did.

[Too Little Time]

Imagine if there was no Electoral College - No Republican would have won in over 30 years. Every democrat wins the popular vote by millions. That means Al Gore would won, Hillary would have won, Garland would be SCJ and the entire SC would look remarkably different. Row V Wade would be enshrined as a federal legislation, Real common sense gun legislation, Universal Healthcare for all, free college, and paid for by just taking 2% of the MIC.

(In 88 Bush had a majority. In 04 Bush had a majority. Prior to that a minority of popular votes was sufficient in a number of elections.)

There is a poorly worded interstate compact that would have elected the president by popular vote. As I recall had all the Democratic controlled states adopted it, we would have had more Democratic presidents. But the compact was poorly worded and some Democratic states did not want it.

You listed what you want. Perhaps you could list what the poor want and you are willing to give them

[Too Little Time]

48 out of 50 democratic senators voted for progress. NO GOP senators did.

Progress for who? I asked what you are willing to give to the poor and minorities that they want.

[John Smith]

Classic story of locking the barn after the horse is stolen, It's the American way.
All the handwringing in the world is not going to reverse that decision
It will take organization and cooperation over a generation (or more likely two generations) so 50 years...
In the meantime it is just whinging which is not becoming

Yes, and no. It's to show that voting matters. It matters for voters to KNOW one party is better for them than the other party is.

It's also important for people to realize, which many appear not to, that the president can only sign into law bills that have passed both chambers of congress.

It's also a fact that the narrow margin in the senate has seriously changed the course of our history for the worse.

This court would not be in place if dems won senate seats in just two or three more states.

Is there not something wrong when the candidate with less votes wins the election?

Is there any way to reverse the current direction we're headed in other than electing more democrats?

[John Smith]

I 100% agree.

There are more horses still to be stolen. Locking the door might save them.

[Canoeyawl]

There are more horses still to be stolen. Locking the door might save them.

Good luck with that...

[elf]

C'mon guys. This is a stupid exercise.

Get working on how to straighten out the mess.

[elf]

If you want the EPA to be able to do its work print up fliers of Manchin's boat in the Potomac and distribute them to every household in West Virgina.

[elf]

It's time for the governors of NY, CT, MA, VT, NH and ME to start drawing up a plan for separating from the rest of the states and forming a nation.

[Canoeyawl]

C'mon guys. This is a stupid exercise.

Get working on how to straighten out the mess.

10 pages of whinging

It is going to require a nose to the grindstone approach
Much like the RW has done, use "religion" as incitement, then start your own schools and train up lawyers to infiltrate government as the lower level judges until those can be appointed to the federal bench. About 50 years...

[Joe (SoCal)]

(In 88 Bush had a majority. In 04 Bush had a majority. Prior to that a minority of popular votes was sufficient in a number of elections.)

There is a poorly worded interstate compact that would have elected the president by popular vote. As I recall had all the Democratic controlled states adopted it, we would have had more Democratic presidents. But the compact was poorly worded and some Democratic states did not want it.

You listed what you want. Perhaps you could list what the poor want and you are willing to give them

I actually voted for H W Bush.

[JimD]

Imagination is strange. Often we imagine things that are so absurd they are impossible, even in theory. And then we believe them and accept them as fundamental truths. This doesn't help the cause of rational voting practices.

[Durnik]

Imagine if Dems actually did things to help the working class & poor.

Imagine RBG immediately announcing her retirement when Obama won.

Imagine Dems finding their backbone and actually doing something.

[elf]

Imagine if Dems actually did things to help the working class & poor.

Imagine RBG immediately announcing her retirement when Obama won.

Imagine Dems finding their backbone and actually doing something.

Manchin. Sinema.

[Jim Mahan]

Who have legitimate D voting records. Right up until it’s critical, and they vote R, as if they were lockstepping with the rest of the Rs. Tell me they’re not in the bag for those votes.

[JimD]

Manchin. Sinema.

Imagine if all Dems behaved like Dems.

[skuthorp]

Good luck……….

[John Smith]

Imagine if Dems actually did things to help the working class & poor.

Imagine RBG immediately announcing her retirement when Obama won.

Imagine Dems finding their backbone and actually doing something.

What, exactly, can they do without 50 reliable senators?

[Too Little Time]

What, exactly, can they do without 50 reliable senators?

You fail to realize that the Democrats have had control of several state/local governments from time to time and have not shown much intent to address the issues Durnik or I have listed. I think state/local governance would be be useful indicators of national intent.

But again you ignore the question. What are you willing to do for the poor and minorities that they want?

[Nicholas Carey]

Fixed it for ya.

What, exactly, can they do without [s]50[/s] 61 reliable senators?

[Durnik]

Originally Posted by Durnik

Imagine if Dems actually did things to help the working class & poor.

Manchin. Sinema.

What, exactly, can they do without 50 reliable senators?

for the last 30 years, eh?

eta:

And before Manchin/Sinema, the excuse was Leiberman.. always an excuse.
And let's not forget Pelosi said "we don't back challengers to incumbents".. and then backed a conservative challenger to a progressive incumbent.
And calling Biden, Schumer, or Pelosi 'liberals' makes the word 'liberal' meaningless.
Hell, Calling Sotomayor and Ginsberg liberals is/was insane. Feminist? Yes. But Corporate supporters all the way.

So, what have the Dems done to get the vote of working class/poor?

Nada.

[Nicholas Carey]

Strewth.

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[John Smith]

You fail to realize that the Democrats have had control of several state/local governments from time to time and have not shown much intent to address the issues Durnik or I have listed. I think state/local governance would be be useful indicators of national intent.

But again you ignore the question. What are you willing to do for the poor and minorities that they want?

My state seems to do fairly well with dems in charge. Hard to speak for others.

My point regards the federal government. Am I wrong to think that had Trump not gotten his three justices, Roe would not have been overturned, the EPA would not have been injured, etc.

Democrats, at the federal level, tend to pass stuff that helps the people. GOP passes stuff that helps the super rich and/or is based on their religious beliefs.

I don't believe I've seen all dems as saints, but today's republicans are the devil.

[John Smith]

Fixed it for ya.

That's true for most things, but I do believe a reliable majority would carve out the filibuster for some of the stuff that's needed. 61 would be great. then they would have control, and the party could be held accountable for failing.

I've posted often, without, far as I can recall, any comment that I believe legislation should require a simple majority, but putting a judge on any bench should require something more.

[John Smith]

for the last 30 years, eh?

eta:

And before Manchin/Sinema, the excuse was Leiberman.. always an excuse.
And let's not forget Pelosi said "we don't back challengers to incumbents".. and then backed a conservative challenger to a progressive incumbent.
And calling Biden, Schumer, or Pelosi 'liberals' makes the word 'liberal' meaningless.
Hell, Calling Sotomayor and Ginsberg liberals is/was insane. Feminist? Yes. But Corporate supporters all the way.

So, what have the Dems done to get the vote of working class/poor?

Nada.

Unemployment insurance? Social Security? Medicare? And the GOP? What happened to the 2019 middle class tax cut Trump was promising just before the 2018 election?

Neither party is perfect, but the GOP is the greater of two evils.

[Beowolf]

Had Democratic candidates shown some action rather than just a little empathy for the poor and minorities, they might have been elected. And you would have what you want.

You keep telling us what you want. What do the poor and minorities want that you are willing to give them? Nothing?

The poor are not a homogenous group. All the more true of the “poor and minorities.” Here, the rural poor often fly the confederate flag over their trailer-homes. Our present, gerrymandered, state government works hard to be sure that they get what they want.

[Too Little Time]

My state seems to do fairly well with dems in charge. Hard to speak for others.

My point regards the federal government.

Democrats, at the federal level, tend to pass stuff that helps the people. GOP passes stuff that helps the super rich and/or is based on their religious beliefs.

I don't believe I've seen all dems as saints, but today's republicans are the devil.

I went to the New Jersey web site to see how much assistance the poor would receive. Filled out the questioner and found out the mythical poor family did not qualify for assistance.

Why would I vote for a Democrat who has shown that at the state level they do not help the poor? (That is the connection to the federal government and your question.)

The Democrats send me over $50K/year in Social Security and gave me an additional $60K/year in tax breaks. The poor would benefit more from that generosity than the rich. But the Democrats in Congress don't even suggest it. (Social Security benefits are determined by Congress. I expect many Democrats here think they earned the benefits because of how Congress sees fit to allocate them.) I have said in the past that Democrats help the 24% below the 1%. Hardly a needy group.

If the Democrats want the poor and minorities to vote for them, they need to provide what those groups want.

[Too Little Time]

The poor are not a homogenous group. All the more true of the “poor and minorities.” Here, the rural poor often fly the confederate flag over their trailer-homes. Our present, gerrymandered, state government works hard to be sure that they get what they want.

The rich are not a homogenous group. The government has no problem giving them what thy want.

If the state government does give the poor what they want, I expect the poor reward the government officials with votes.