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    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/o...ont-count.html

    Planned Parenthood, once a stalwart defender of women’s rights, omits the word “women” from its home page. NARAL Pro-Choice America has used “birthing people” in lieu of “women.” The American Civil Liberties Union, a longtime defender of women’s rights, last month tweeted its outrage over the possible overturning of Roe v. Wade as a threat to several groups: “Black, Indigenous and other people of color, the L.G.B.T.Q. community, immigrants, young people.”


    It left out those threatened most of all: women. Talk about a bitter way to mark the 50th anniversary of Title IX.
    Wait, it gets worse:

    Last year the British medical journal The Lancet patted itself on the back for a cover article on menstruation. Yet instead of mentioning the human beings who get to enjoy this monthly biological activity, the cover referred to “bodies with vaginas.”

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    Think about it, George.

    Transgender people born male but transitioning to female are legitimately and properly called women. As yet, medicine has not been able to build them working wombs or ovaries.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Let us not let terminology get in the way of solving the problem.
    "alternative facts (lies)" are a cancer eating through a democracy, and will kill it. 1st amendment is not absolute.

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    I think the article is about biological women wanting to be called women but being called stuff like "bodies with vaginas".

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    I think the article is about biological women wanting to be called women but being called stuff like "bodies with vaginas".
    But you don't think that lumping transgendered women into a discussion of menstruation might not be appropriate?

    Fairy Nuff.
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    Would you think it appropriate if I called you a body with a penis?

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    Careful, George, or people with think that you are a dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Careful, George, or people with think that you are a dick.


    See? You get the point.

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    I would not object to being referred to as a "person with a penis." Or perhaps it could be shortened to PWAP. I'm all for recognizing people for who and/or what they are, sometimes as what they want to be. "nonbinary" to me says that someone is either confused or else they just want to opt out of any gendered frame of reference. OK. Does any of this impact me, or who or what I am. No. I'm still a PWAP.

    Linguistically speaking, referring to some women as "menstruating people" strikes me as ridiculous, that the person making such references is trying so hard not to offend they become almost universally offensive.
    He was one of the most supremely stupid men I have ever met. He taught me a great deal.

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    Linguistically speaking, referring to some women as "menstruating people" strikes me as ridiculous, that the person making such references is trying so hard not to offend they become almost universally offensive.
    It isn't about being linguisitically correct, it's about getting people to understand a POV, and sometimes getting in your face with it is what it takes. I mean if the usage sets your teeth on edge a bit, maybe it's gonna cause a pause to think.

    Besides... oh crap, I'm trying to figure out how to get a one-liner out of 'people with baginas getting in your face,' and comin' up emtpy. Oh, well...
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    I can see a remake of The Wizard of Oz - If I only had a ...
    There is no rational, logical, or physical description of how free will could exist. It therefore makes no sense to praise or condemn anyone on the grounds they are a free willed self that made one choice but could have chosen something else. There is no evidence that such a situation is possible in our Universe. Demonstrate otherwise and I will be thrilled.

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    Vaginal americans

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    The Lancet quote is even more disturbing since menstruation is a phenomenon, not related to the vagina, but to the uterus.

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    Humans can be stupid, and entitled, and nitpicking, and the subsets are infinite. And often they are.
    On the front line in Ukraine I doubt it's a concern.

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    It’s about kowtowing to whatever the latest crazy **** someone thinks of. We’ve made a national sport of it. Keep us distracted from the adult business of the world.

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    Oh no George, the language police are coming for YOU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mahan View Post
    It isn't about being linguisitically correct, it's about getting people to understand a POV, and sometimes getting in your face with it is what it takes. I mean if the usage sets your teeth on edge a bit, maybe it's gonna cause a pause to think.

    Besides... oh crap, I'm trying to figure out how to get a one-liner out of 'people with baginas getting in your face,' and comin' up emtpy. Oh, well...
    The last thing I want is menstruating people getting in my face.

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    There's an app for that.
    Speak softly and carry a mouthful of marbles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    Oh no George, the language police are coming for YOU!
    As long as the dream police doesn't...

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    I got my vasectomy at PP and volunteered there when domestic terrorists empowered by Christain nationalist’s rhetoric were attacking clinics, health professionals and patients. Changing language doesn’t justify hysterical mischaracterizations. PP isn’t bombing your brain like dumbass politicians are screwing over women and the people helping them. Mangled metaphors this morn, just waking up.

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    Laugh while you can. Control of language is control. Ask the Marxists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Laugh while you can. Control of language is control. Ask the Marxists.
    Ha ha ha ha. Planned Parenthood is coming to control you? They have been attacked and the women who need it are under attack and you’re talking about Marxism. Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    Ha ha ha ha. Planned Parenthood is coming to control you? They have been attacked and the women who need it are under attack and you’re talking about Marxism. Wow.
    Planned Parenthood, in its origins, appealed to liberal values. The current left was dissatisfied. Same as to the Sierra Club. The attack is Marxist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Planned Parenthood, in its origins, appealed to liberal values. The current left was dissatisfied. Same as to the Sierra Club. The attack is Marxist.
    Who is attacking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Laugh while you can. Control of language is control. Ask the Marxists.
    is control via language really just a marxist thing.

    or is it pretty much a human society thing, from the dawn of language on down?

    do today's reactionaries want to control language or not, and how is that control expressed socially and legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    do today's reactionaries want to control language or not, and how is that control expressed socially and legally.
    Of course they do.

    Pro-life.

    Greatest hoax.

    War on terror.

    Femenazis.

    Illegal aliens.

    Radical socialist.

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    Marxists I say!

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/v...ting-language/

    The CDK study showed that women tend to respond positively to the words Drive, Power, Trip, Comfortable, and Luxury. Women tended to be turned off by the words Bought, Transmission, Owned, Bigger, and Cargo. The marketing analysis is that women tend to be more interested in the experience of a particular car than in the specifications.

    Buyers in Generation X (people born between the early 1960s and early 1980s) preferred vehicles described using Truck, Power, Luxury, Package, and Performance. They felt less inspired by the terms Back, Seat, Design, Built, and Difference. Now that Generation X is in its peak earning and buying years, performance and luxury are becoming more important than utilitarian concerns.

    New college graduates, generally Millennials, responded positively to the words Buy, Work, Truck, Power, and Highway, but were less interested in Company, Designed, Inside, Warranty, and Light. These are buyers looking at their first new cars, and they want to know that the car will work for them, rather than caring more about brand names or luxury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    Of course they do.

    Pro-life.

    Greatest hoax.

    War on terror.

    Femenazis.

    Illegal aliens.

    Radical socialist.


    exactly.

    enforcing mores and morals through language and social interaction is how it is always done.

    laws are not as important as some would have. laws are just tools.

    the most effective method of control is of the mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Laugh while you can. Control of language is control. Ask the Marxists.
    Laugh? You are funny.
    No one can control language, it is a living evolving thing. Yo might as well say that you can controll the climate.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    enforcing mores and morals through language and social interaction is how it is always done.
    It's how mindless propaganda is done.

    It is not how it has to be done, nor how it should be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    It's how mindless propaganda is done.

    It is not how it has to be done, nor how it should be done.
    not just mindless propaganda.

    we are all subject to mind control. society is impossible without it.

    the collective mind, conscious and unconscious, decides what is and is not acceptable speech and behavior, lends meaning to the language of laws, etc..

    what else is culture, really, than a collective perspective?

    none of us are free of this control. the notion that only marxists or fascists would attempt mind or thought control misses the simple fact that we are already controlled. we control each other, always have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    Who is attacking?
    The woke, self-described.

    Moscow 1917 is starving, some guy whacks the lady next door over the head and steals her money. Upon arrest, he [B]describes himself[b] as "a proletrarian" though he couldn't spell it, having heard it for the first time only recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    is control via language really just a marxist thing.
    No. But it's a power trip every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    No. But it's a power trip every time.
    that's a loaded characterization.

    is society itself a "power trip"? is culture a "power trip"? easy enough to characterize things that way.

    society and culture are certainly about power. and some people be trippin.

    now, who is trippin over the movement of liberalism toward a new suite of social mores? authoritarians right and left, i reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Planned Parenthood, in its origins, appealed to liberal values. The current left was dissatisfied. Same as to the Sierra Club. The attack is Marxist.
    Eugenics is a liberal value?

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