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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    Google tells me 12% of the global oil trade is from Russia. Seems to me that it's a fairly vulnerable percentage, once folks start to get actually serious about climate change. In the medium term, Russia could find itself with very few buyers.

    Consider how Canada's bitumen reserves are vast, but a variety of factors make it less attractive to buyers, in part because of cost, but in part because of the "dirty" nature of the stuff, in refining and ecological terms. Russia's oil may be cleaner, but they'll find that people can do without quite a bit of it.
    Europe is vulnerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    Europe is vulnerable.
    absolutely. But they're also more likely to have the political will to do something (more) about energy efficiency. And the population density helps, compared to the US and Canada.
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    More vulnerable to natural gas supplies, particularly Germany and Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    absolutely. But they're also more likely to have the political will to do something (more) about energy efficiency. And the population density helps, compared to the US and Canada.
    They have been doing more for decades as evidenced by the price of fuel. Expecting them to do more when we can’t even update a fed fuel tax to pay for infrastructure is a bit much.

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    One take on hypersonic flight…

    https://youtu.be/fTEhG8zzftQ

    She has also other interesting videos…

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    Anti missile systems have a hard time hitting missiles.
    You don't have to hit one, you only need to explode in its vicinity and disable it via shockwave and/or flak.
    The hard part with hypersonic missiles is detecting, launching and getting close enough fast enough.

    The hardest part is assessing the probability of it being a radar artifact, assessing the risk of a hypersonic missile carrying a small nuclear payload, getting in contact with high grade officers, assessing the need for M.A.D.-style response and executing it before the hypersonic missile hits. The time window is frighteningly small. Piercing through anti-missile systems is not what the world worries about. The second Cuban missile crisis without having to go to Cuba is what hypersonic missiles give us.
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    Hypersonic missiles are hugely overrated and will have no appreciable impact on the outcome of the war.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...sonic-weapons/
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    Quote Originally Posted by WszystekPoTrochu View Post
    You don't have to hit one, you only need to explode in its vicinity and disable it via shockwave and/or flak.
    The hard part with hypersonic missiles is detecting, launching and getting close enough fast enough.

    The hardest part is assessing the probability of it being a radar artifact, assessing the risk of a hypersonic missile carrying a small nuclear payload, getting in contact with high grade officers, assessing the need for M.A.D.-style response and executing it before the hypersonic missile hits. The time window is frighteningly small. Piercing through anti-missile systems is not what the world worries about. The second Cuban missile crisis without having to go to Cuba is what hypersonic missiles give us.
    Agree that anti missile limitations are not an existentioal worry just that the 100’s billions the US has invested in that field leads many to believe it provides some kind of security.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq–Khurais_attack

    UAV defense[edit]
    Saudi Arabia's missile defense system failed to stop the swarm of drones and cruise missiles that struck the oil infrastructure.[19] It is reported that Saudi Arabia has at least one MIM-104 Patriot missile defense system in place at Abqaiq.[19] The missile defense system used was designed to mitigate threats from "high flying targets."[19] Unmanned aerial vehicles and cruise missiles fly at an altitude too low to be detected by conventional radar systems.[19] A swarm of drones and cruise missiles coming from multiple directions can confuse and jam radar, as well as overwhelm air defenses.[25] In addition to the Patriot system, at least four shorter-range defense systems were present, yet also failed to detect and mitigate the drone attack.[19] Drones are too difficult to detect by traditional methods; drones are also cheap and extremely accessible.[26] The drones used may have cost around $15,000 or less to build.[27] According to Justin Bronk, research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London, "the cost curve is very favorable to the attacker, meaning Saudi Arabia would have to spend far more than its enemies to protect against additional strike capabilities. As such, there is almost no way the Kingdom can completely defend against such attacks."[25]

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