Ukraine

[George.]

They are not going to cease to exist, so learn to live with them.

It's a question of probability. Probability x of a given country starting a nuclear war by stupidity or accident, times 100+ countries (several of which will be run by nutjobs at any given time) that sooner or later will have nukes, times decades and centuries. Our chances of avoiding catastrophe in the long run are vanishingly small.

Either we find a way to contain them, as hard as that may be, or we will destroy civilization.

[ERGR]

I think Kiev was saved by Ukrainians being able to ambush Russians limited to road movement in warmer months with soft ground. When the ground freezes and the rocket launcher artillery pieces are whacked, then the attrition of conventional artillery becomes unsustainable. Maneuver instead of attrition as Colin Powell preached it depends on vehicles, spares, and fuel. Air superiority was also a key ingredient. Ukraine on the Eastern front lacks all four, and ammunition too. It does not bode well.

I guess the truth will be revealed quite soon. Russia has taken on the combined western industry, so time favours Ukraine as long as we stand behind them. All Nordic commentators I've read believe that winter warfare favour the Ukrainians. We might of course be wrong and your South American specialist on winter warfare right. We'll see. The outcome isn't a question of the best arguments on the internet.
The disagreement in the north is when Ukraine should initiate a winter offensive. Should it be as soon as the mud hardens or should Ukraine wait until the winter and attrition has further reduced the invaders? It's up to Ukraine, but we can speculate.
/Erik

[LeeG]

Regarding shipping
https://youtu.be/W5c_oN9HLII

thx, my understanding is that this war is killing future growth in Russia’s oil production.

[sandtown]

No, but a MILLION people did [protest], and it didn't change a thing.
I realise as an ex serviceman you will have deep guilt and PTSD .

So your solution is to give up ?? What is wrong with you ??

When an insane and evil war is afoot it is your patriotic duty to resist it.

And it is true that many in Vets For Peace have PTSD, some worse than others.

And you are also correct that I was a spear carrier in a war that was waaaaay wrong and should have had the brains to resist it sooner.

[johnw]

So because deterrence worked with 5 players (all seriously traumatized by WW2) over a few decades, it is sure to work with dozens of players over the centuries?

I may disagree with Sandy's posture on this thread, but his "futile" campaign is our only long-term hope, regardless of the odds against it.

What is truly futile is the idea that fielding lots of nukes will keep your people "safe".

Ukraine gave up its nukes, in exchange for assurances that Russia, the U.S., and Britain would do their best to ensure its territorial integrity and sovereignty. Current events don't make it likely other countries will make similar deals.

[Tom Hunter]

@Landrith I am listening to the link you posted and wow did you find a winner in this guy. "Nato is commanding the Zelesky regime forces" "Russia has 650,000 men loaded for bear" Will you even keep track of what this guy predicts to see if any of it comes true?

[skuthorp]

The collaborators are the most enthusiastic purveyors of hostile propaganda for obvious reasons.

[lupussonic]

So your solution is to give up ?? What is wrong with you ??

When an insane and evil war is afoot it is your patriotic duty to resist it.

And it is true that many in Vets For Peace have PTSD, some worse than others.

And you are also correct that I was a spear carrier in a war that was waaaaay wrong and should have had the brains to resist it sooner.

My solution is to be pragmatic. Wars have been going on ever since humans emerged. You might as well ask the cows to stop chewing the cud you naive fool.

[lupussonic]

Actually being a naive fool is probably how you got here in the first place Sandtown.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Perun on the winter warfare capacity of each side (spoiler - they are both good).

https://youtu.be/PI3PpsM3NOI

[Landrith]

@Landrith I am listening to the link you posted and wow did you find a winner in this guy. "Nato is commanding the Zelesky regime forces" "Russia has 650,000 men loaded for bear" Will you even keep track of what this guy predicts to see if any of it comes true?

This is WX's problem with Bitchute. I call it the Ebay fallacy. I had a friend that bought a used Honda Civic on Ebay last year and it turned out to have a bad engine. Therefore all used Hondas or all cars sold by any individual on Ebay are bad. I think WX is more comfortable with a curated media where only officially accepted narrative is allowed to be broadcast. Like we are seeing from the Twitter files.

If someone with near English as a First language or native English fluency (and in Gonzalo Lira's case), a much better American college education than me is in an area where I am distrusting the official narrative, I will listen to what he has to say about what he is seeing, and what he is being communicated to about in the local media. It does not mean I agree with his conclusions or how he is interpreting the information he is getting, or even if the information he is getting or what he is experiencing and seeing is even accurate or representative sampling. I was in the middle of a protracted Boeing strike in the late 1980's and I could see local tv covering events I was in each day differently than either side understood it. Even when we were in the news video footage.

I look at it like the Irish bar you find in Germany or the Aussie Ex pat you run into in China. You are trying to understand a completely alien environment in a language you don't speak and sometimes you are lucky to find someone with English you can understand that can give you half a clue about what you are seeing.

My own experience being in an American military component is that we had a lot of gear for living in the field in extreme cold where no fires and no cigarettes or even white light was allowed. That takes a big established supply chain. A guy with the equivalent of a Chicago School MBA is telling me on a video a couple days old about what he is seeing and he is describing what are meaningful indicators of supply conditions or getting local information about. It rings true to me.

Then I have my own perspective or bias. A very corrupt nation state that is utilizing foreign gifted weapons in a crisis and has had more than half of its energy grid taken down including transformers and substation equipment that is about a Three year back order for power stations in Tennessee USA right now, is probably without 1/10th of the equipment a soldier would need on the Eastern front. And, for Ukraine's pre war small military, I bet they never had more than half of the equipment that small force needed.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Lessee… Stefan Korshak:

Yale. Ex US military. Fluent in Russian and Ukrainian. Taught at Leningrad. Years of experience in Ukraine. Doesn’t take either side’s statements at face value.

[sandtown]

My solution is to be pragmatic. Wars have been going on ever since humans emerged. You might as well ask the cows to stop chewing the cud you naive fool.

Well, in this or any other season I hope you find peace.

But you are a cynical defeatist, trying to spread your bad karma for reasons I cannot fathom . . .

Sure, give up and knuckle under if you want, but why try to get OTHERS to give up ??

People also thought that misogyny and slavery were inevitable too, and said so loudly for centuries.

And they were wrong - just like you.

What are you teaching your kids and grandkids - not that poison I hope

[Decourcy]

Hahahaha! A man that thinks misogyny and slavery have ended! OMG! I needed a laugh. A sad laugh at a delusional man



Im done. He’s going on ignore for the duration and I’d suggest others consider doing the same. His insults and off topic discussions are designed to derail not contribute

[Decourcy]

There. Much better.

[sandtown]

Hahahaha! A man that thinks misogyny and slavery have ended! OMG! I needed a laugh. A sad laugh at a delusional man

So I get called a "naive fool", not to mention "delusional", respond to it, and then I am the one slinging insults ??

Major League Bull-Pucky to the max !!

Did I write that slavery and misogyny were a thing of the past ??

No, I did not - and you know it.

[sandtown]

There. Much better.

You must be heartbroken that the Pig War did not end up with an exchange of nukes.

[sandtown]

More analysis that will no doubt generate a barrage of personal attacks and insults . . .

Newsweek . . . how DARE they ??

https://www.newsweek.com/lessons-us-...pinion-1764992

[WX]

This is WX's problem with Bitchute. I call it the Ebay fallacy. I had a friend that bought a used Honda Civic on Ebay last year and it turned out to have a bad engine. Therefore all used Hondas or all cars sold by any individual on Ebay are bad. I think WX is more comfortable with a curated media where only officially accepted narrative is allowed to be broadcast. Like we are seeing from the Twitter files.

If someone with near English as a First language or native English fluency (and in Gonzalo Lira's case), a much better American college education than me is in an area where I am distrusting the official narrative, I will listen to what he has to say about what he is seeing, and what he is being communicated to about in the local media. It does not mean I agree with his conclusions or how he is interpreting the information he is getting, or even if the information he is getting or what he is experiencing and seeing is even accurate or representative sampling. I was in the middle of a protracted Boeing strike in the late 1980's and I could see local tv covering events I was in each day differently than either side understood it. Even when we were in the news video footage.

I look at it like the Irish bar you find in Germany or the Aussie Ex pat you run into in China. You are trying to understand a completely alien environment in a language you don't speak and sometimes you are lucky to find someone with English you can understand that can give you half a clue about what you are seeing.

My own experience being in an American military component is that we had a lot of gear for living in the field in extreme cold where no fires and no cigarettes or even white light was allowed. That takes a big established supply chain. A guy with the equivalent of a Chicago School MBA is telling me on a video a couple days old about what he is seeing and he is describing what are meaningful indicators of supply conditions or getting local information about. It rings true to me.

Then I have my own perspective or bias. A very corrupt nation state that is utilizing foreign gifted weapons in a crisis and has had more than half of its energy grid taken down including transformers and substation equipment that is about a Three year back order for power stations in Tennessee USA right now, is probably without 1/10th of the equipment a soldier would need on the Eastern front. And, for Ukraine's pre war small military, I bet they never had more than half of the equipment that small force needed.

Gosh! I had no idea that is what I thought.

[WX]

So your solution is to give up ?? What is wrong with you ??

When an insane and evil war is afoot it is your patriotic duty to resist it.

And it is true that many in Vets For Peace have PTSD, some worse than others.

And you are also correct that I was a spear carrier in a war that was waaaaay wrong and should have had the brains to resist it sooner.

You would be better off learning to understand the opinions of other forumites, rather than attacking what you think they are saying.

[sandtown]

You would be better off learning to understand the opinions of other forumites, rather than attacking what you think they are saying.

Who is attacking whom ??

[dutchpp]

The Russian offensive campaign assessment, December 10
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-10

Key Takeaways

• The Times reported that an unnamed US Defense source stated that the Pentagon is no longer insisting that Ukraine refrain from striking military targets in Russia given the ongoing Russian campaign of systematically destroying Ukrainian critical infrastructure.
• Russian forces conducted attacks against Ukrainian infrastructure using a higher number of Iranian-made drones than in previous weeks.
• Putin risks losing support from proxy leaders in Donetsk Oblast due to Russian forces’ failure to push Ukrainian forces out of artillery range of Donetsk City.
• Russian authorities are increasingly importing Chechen officials and forces to man administrative regimes of occupied areas.
• Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations toward Svatove, and Russian and Ukrainian forces conducted ground attacks near Kreminna.
• Russian forces continued attempts to advance toward Bakhmut and in the Avdiivka-Donetsk City area and to defend their positions in western Donetsk Oblast.
• Russian authorities plan to launch programs in Russia and occupied Ukrainian territories to prepare children for military service.
• Russian forces in occupied Donetsk Oblast are reportedly commandeering civilian utility equipment to construct defensive structures.

[ERGR]

There's been an unusually high number of reports this night on Ukrainian strikes quite far behind the lines, targetting troop concentrations, logistics and command centers. The increased activities, or at least reports thereoff, are all over the fronts so the location of the expected Ukrainian winter offensive is still guesswork. One reason Ukraine is maintaining the pressure on Russia all along the lines is that it's stressing the already poor Russian logistics, thus helping winter to do its work on the Russian occupiers.
/Erik

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

In winter, you can kill your enemies by wrecking their logistics.

[dutchpp]

The art of winter warfare. Part 3 of the abstract is the most interesting part, modern warfare.
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA270031.pdf

[WX]

Who is attacking whom ??

Many will agree with you regarding the pointlessness of war. I live on a community of 11 housesites, and I've lived here for 45 years. A total of around 14 adults. Some get on very well, and some simmer in dislike of others. It's a microcosm of the world. A virtual mini UN. if 14 adults can not work towards a mutual agreement, what chance has the world got?
Look at climate change, 27 world conferences on it, and what have we got to show for it? A carefully worded document absolving major countries from any legally binding obligation to actually do anything.

[WX]

In winter, you can kill your enemies by wrecking their logistics.

The Russians are trying to do what the Germans tried to do to Leningrad.

[skuthorp]

Many will agree with you regarding the pointlessness of war. I live on a community of 11 housesites, and I've lived here for 45 years. A total of around 14 adults. Some get on very well, and some simmer in dislike of others. It's a microcosm of the world. A virtual mini UN. if 14 adults can not work towards a mutual agreement, what chance has the world got?
Look at climate change, 27 world conferences on it, and what have we got to show for it? A carefully worded document absolving major countries from any legally binding obligation to actually do anything.

Humans have tickets on themselves, they actually think they are important. They even invented gods to make them fell special, exceptional. But whan it comes to the big stuff, thr important stuff, they are no more important than a stray cat, and their world a speck if rock in an infinity that does not know.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Stefan Korshak:

https://medium.com/@Stefan.Korshak/d...s-b2eb0aaff63b

[Tom Hunter]

@Landrith Have you listened to Perun at all? I suggest listening to his talk on winter warfare. He is far better informed than the guy you posted and much more neutral in his outlook. It cannot hurt to be better informed.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Russia has made a particularly severe attack on Odessa’s power system.

[WszystekPoTrochu]

What the West treats as a harbinger of Russia's defeat is for the Kremlin irrelevant In the chaos of war, one of the greatest phantasmagorias dies unnoticed. It assumed that in the modern world cultures would merge until Russia, China or Saudi Arabia begin to stick to the rules that to Europe and the USA are obvious. Noting deep cultural differences is relatively easy. You can see them every day and at every step, you just have to look carefully. However, this week turned out to be exceptionally rich in their examples. Macron and Scholz Take, for example, the new gestures that Emmanuel Macron and Olaf Scholz made towards the Kremlin. During the conversation on TV TF1, the French president announced that it is time to think: "how to give security guarantees to Russia on the day of its return to the negotiating table." At the same time, during the discussion at the Berlin Security Conference, the German chancellor spoke about the possibility of not only negotiating with Russia, but also rebuilding the European order together with Russia - if only the Kremlin renounces aggression. We can go back to the peace order that worked and secure it again, ” Scholz said. The leaders of the two most important countries of the EU still seem to believe that Vladimir Putin and the Russian elites surrounding him will deal with what they themselves have procured, according to Western rules. Those that determined the end of France's bloody war with rebellious Algeria, forced Britain to accept the disintegration of its empire and persuaded the United States to close its military presence in Vietnam and Afghanistan. In all these cases, when the military effort dragged on and brought more and more losses, the leaders of the Western democracies began to calculate. Their countries were losing young citizens, tarnished their image, taxpayers took on the financial costs, the economy fared worse, and war-weary societies expressed their opposition more and more sharply. The list of losses was growing, and it was beginning to look as if even a military triumph could not make up for them. Instead of a Pyrrhic victory, the choice was to accept defeat and then retreat, trying to negotiate terms of peace with the enemy. Such rules have long been adhered to by the West, and Macron and Scholz regularly open the door for Putin to use them. In response, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov regularly demonstrates how deeply his boss despises these rules and Western politicians. Cultural difference This is where the cultural difference begins, which the Western world finds difficult to read, still unable to believe that Russia has not become westernized over the last 30 years, and that it will never become like it. To believe it would mean accepting the painful truth. The satraps ruling the Kremlin and his entourage, the losses incurred by the country are of medium concern. Regardless of whether they are: image, economic, financial or civilizational. And the least important of all are the human losses. During the invasion of Ukraine, which lasted less than a year, the Russian army exhausted a large part of its stocks of equipment and ammunition. The state budget is also cracking at the seams. This is best evidenced by the cuts in spending on everything except the army, and the largest one-day debt issued in Russia's history at the end of November ($13.6 billion). In addition, the country's income begins to hang on only one thread, which is the sale of oil. At current prices, it will bring the Kremlin about $100 billion next year. However, there are more and more indications that the prices of petroleum products will fall. In the Western world, these factors, and especially the fact that almost 100,000 people have already died on the front, would make you think about negotiations. In the Russian reality, people think about how to use human resources more effectively - because they are one of their last significant assets. Number of dead? It doesn't matter to the Kremlin For those in power at the Kremlin, the number of dead turns out to be of little importance. Just like during both world wars and all previous ones, fought since the beginning of the existence of the Russian state. If it is to bring victory, 100 000 or millions dying is still just a statistic. Putin and his subordinates are ready for such a sacrifice of their own people. What matters is that at the end of the day, and in all neighbouring countries, there is a belief that the old empire still has enough strength to break the neck of the enemy. Just as it once defeated: Sweden, Turkey, the Third Reich. Costs do not play a role, because what binds this empire together are not ideas or interests, but fear. Thanks to it, the respect of neighbours is retained and the sphere of imperial influence is preserved. There are many subtleties in these differences. The first one: the entire West, including Poland is shocked and at the same time amused by the terrible quality of equipment received by mobilised reservists, often sent straight to the front. This is treated as a harbinger of a quick defeat for Russia. However, from the Kremlin's point of view, this is not a significant problem. Military resources have been severely weaned and are too valuable to supply mobiks, especially in winter. Most of them die within a few days and if they were equipped with good quality equipment, it would be lost forever. They are just a heap of corpses intended to torment Ukrainian defenders with them. If two million mobiks die, it's still just statistics for the rulers of Russia, while in the West it would be a hard to imagine horrific crime against their own nation. Thus, after three decades of close cooperation with the Western world, the Russian state, when tested, behaves according to the exact same pattern that was implemented during the wars under both Tsar Nicholas II and Stalin. When there are no bullets, the enemy is covered with the bodies of the inhabitants of the empire. So much for the civilisational rapprochement, which until recently was considered inevitable.

https://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/opini...achod-usa.html

[WszystekPoTrochu]

Angela Merkel "Cooperation based on law and international agreements benefits all parties, including Russia", said Angela Merkel in an interview published on May 16, 2014 by Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. Although, as she noted, "Russia is now returning to the old ways of thinking about spheres of influence" she nevertheless believed: "There is a deep human desire to resolve conflicts peacefully." Finally, she prophesied: “In the long run, Russia will not be able to escape globalisation, neither politically nor economically". The Chancellor was not alone in believing in these rules. Few in the West thought otherwise at that time. Only eight years later, life verified this belief in a particularly nasty way. But the belief still comes back. It is enough for the Kremlin to make at least one, slightly more peaceful statement. US and Saudi Arabia The United States is experiencing a similar disappointment this week, albeit in a different part of the world. On Wednesday, Xi Jinping arrived in Saudi Arabia. He was received there more than cordially. A carpet was unrolled on the airfield, military jets staged an aerial parade, and there were even cannon salvos. The manner in which the Chinese leader was honoured was in stark contrast to the cold and modest reception given to President Joe Biden in Riyadh in July. Since February 1945, when Franklin D. Roosevelt visited King Ibn Saud on his way back from the Yalta Conference, the United States has been Saudi Arabia's closest ally. Washington protected the monarchy from the hostile actions of Iraq, Iran and the Soviet Union for nearly 80 years. American companies built the Saudi oil industry. Successive generations of Saudis gained higher education at American universities. The United States was the main provider of cash because no one was buying more oil from the desert kingdom. It, in turn, sent the same dollars back to the US for decades, being the largest recipient of American weapons and luxury goods. All these factors guaranteed extremely strong economic and political ties. In the United States it was believed that the ally would eventually begin to undergo cultural changes and the feudal absolute monarchy would become similar to the Western world. Even if only in such details, like giving women some rights or resigning from beheading homosexuals or people accused of witchcraft. Will China replace the US? Meanwhile, decades passed and nothing of the sort happened. Moreover, the dynasty of Saudi invested more than 100 billion petrodollars in building a worldwide network of mosques and Koranic schools spreading Wahhabism, which is the most radical variety of Islam. It became an exceptionally inspiring ideology, from which the Saudi millionaire Osama bin Laden, the leaders of ISIS and a multitude of anonymous terrorists harassing the countries of Western Europe grew. Washington patiently the religious expansionism of the Saudis, hoping that in the long term the strategic ally would finally start to change. On which, immediately after taking power, Joe Biden pushed very hard. Only that after the shale revolution, the United States became a fuel self-sufficient country and Saudi oil began to go to China. They have become not only its largest recipient, but also the most important trading partner for the Saudi country. Beijing is sending increasingly stronger signals that in other areas, including arms supplies, it would be also able to replace the Americans. This week, the prime minister and heir to the throne - the de facto ruler of Arabia - Prince Mohammed bin Salman made it clear to the American people that if they do not like the Saudi dynasty, the owners of Arabia can find another friend and protector. There will be no change in the kingdom. It's hard to imagine that Washington wouldn't accept it. Conservative and balancing between two superpowers, Saudi Arabia is still a much better option for America than the same Arabia in Chinese arms. And as for the illusions about the merging of cultures in a globalized world, a veil of silence will be soon hide them. https://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/opini...achod-usa.html

[Landrith]

@Landrith Have you listened to Perun at all? I suggest listening to his talk on winter warfare. He is far better informed than the guy you posted and much more neutral in his outlook. It cannot hurt to be better informed.

Andrew Craig-Bennett in this thread, like other threads is citing the best experts. Perun , while in Australia has extensive experience in operations level management of military action and does a very good job of analyzing what is being done in Ukraine from sources publicly available in the West. Me, being the eternal contrarian, am citing a guy- Gonzalo Lira, who is not an expert. Just a guy that is in country. And, when WX called me out on it for citing a Bitchute video. I conceded that just because a person might be deep in country, it doesn't mean what he is seeing is accurate or representative. I cited my Boeing strike experience where I can be in the newsreel doing something, then go home the same day and watch myself on the evening news and see it reported a completely different way than either side in the conflict claimed happened. A grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII. Decades later he read histories of the war to see what was happening where he was because he knew so little about what he was doing while it was happening. He used to say the people back in the US knew far more from the newspapers than he ever did.

My guy is just slugging back in the slush from working at a cafe. He has reported before and has been arrested by the Ukrainians and then released because he wasn't violating their laws in his reporting. No doubt, since he wasn't on Twitter, the Biden Administration couldn't shut him up by shadow banning, so the Big Guy had to arrange for him to be detained.

Now compare what Gonzalo Lira said and the Perun video on the effectiveness of both sides in Winter warfare linked by Andrew Craig-Bennett. I think they are mostly consistent. I am trying to determine how much equipment is getting to Ukrainian soldiers near the frontline. Perun shows they got the clothes (mostly from Canada) but getting it to the front is difficult for both sides. Lira, near the from is describing the tragedy of basic cold weather gear not being supplied. I think Perun slightly underestimates the Russian conscript in the military discipline necessary to be effective in extreme cold and slightly overestimates the competency of the small unit tactics of Russian military units. At a more macro level, I have underestimated the new management of Russia's war operations in pulling back into a line that can be better organized for an offensive. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/w...-for-brutality As opposed to the Summer failed effort to maneuver and envelop Ukraine forces trying to save a couple key cities. It looks like effective planning for the most ugly form of war by attrition along a broad front.

Perun thinks the HIMARS give Ukraine some artillery parity to sustain this level of conflict, I think they are losing them at too high of a rate now https://eurasiantimes.com/himars-is-...-javelin-m777/, and no they can't (Purely my own bias that whizzbang stuff is only good for the first 2 weeks of intensive war and my prejudice is unsupported) Lira doesn't discuss that. And, the other major difference between Perun the expert and Lira, the man on the ground is that Lira is describing almost ancedotally a depletion of the pool of Ukrainian manpower. It may be that where he is not a currently contested area so he is in contact with older soldiers, or that traditional military aged men are being staged in the West to be freshly equipped and ready to respond to a future Russian advance wherever they will be needed, or better yet, still in NATO countries being trained fed and equipped. To Perun, they are still alive, available, and in Canadian wool, carrying their fuel oil heaters and team tents ready to ride the electric train to the front.

I think Perun does describe the Winter operation fuel dependency and a little about what happens when the fuel is also needed by the civilian population with the power outages. And, now the reports from Odessa https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-odesa-ukraine, the city Putin would've gone the easiest on (Cultural heritage matters, think Hitler and Paris, Putin and Odessa, Arc de Triomphe and Potemkin Steps). The new management is now guaranteeing there will not be enough fuel along the entire front...

[Vadim 68]

Seems Ukraine has a peace plan format.

Ukraine and France discuss Kyiv’s 10-point peace plan

President Zelenskyy spoke to his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron and discussed the implementation of his 10-step peace plan formula to end the war with Russia.
“Had a phone call with French President Emmanuel Macron. Synchronized positions on the eve of G7 online summit and Ukraine support conference in Paris. Discussed the implementation of our ten-step peace formula, cooperation on defence and energy stability of Ukraine,” Zelenskyy said on Twitter.
For his part, Macron said he and Zelenskyy spoke on two separate conferences France is hosting on Tuesday: one to meet Ukraine’s needs through the winter months, and a second with French companies involved in the war-torn country’s reconstruction.
“Ukraine will be able to count on the support of France for as long as it takes to see its sovereignty and territorial integrity fully restored,” Macron added.