Ukraine

[WszystekPoTrochu]

Is it a slur if its verified?

Corruption Rank by Country | Europe (tradingeconomics.com)

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You'd think we wouldn't click? Refuge in audacity doesn't work on me, try lying in a more sophisticated manner.

[lupussonic]

Maccy D's is moving back in.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61727807

[WX]

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You'd think we wouldn't click? Refuge in audacity doesn't work on me, try lying in a more sophisticated manner.

The Corruption Perceptions Index ranks countries by their perceived levels of public sector corruption on a scale from 100 (very clean) to 0 (highly corrupt).

Shouldn't 0 be very clean?

[Lew Barrett]

No worries, Lew!

And an FYI - *I hear* there's a Vax for Ruskie trolls/bots - called the SkaryVadim suppository.

Available everywhere!

Not my preferred therapy, George! I think fresh air and sunlight are best

[Osborne Russell]

Ukraine could be the most corrupt nation ever. Irrelevant.

[Vadim 68]

Ukraine could be the most corrupt nation ever. Irrelevant.

Context. You might be willing to be drafted and sent to your death to support a corrupt government, the exodus of young men in Ukraine show they do not share your view.

[WX]

Context. You might be willing to be drafted and sent to your death to support a corrupt government, the exodus of young men in Ukraine show they do not share your view.

You spelt Russia wrong.

[Vadim 68]

You spelt Russia wrong.

Russia, Ukraine, America , United Kingdom, France, Turkey......the list is as long as all nations on the planet. There is a reason why recruitment numbers are down in the West. No end of disgruntled ex-service persons who realise after the fact, what they were sent to do was often based on lies, and their patriotism taken advantage of, giving a voice to those who came bag in bags.

[WX]

Russia, Ukraine, America , United Kingdom, France, Turkey......the list is as long as all nations on the planet. There is a reason why recruitment numbers are down in the West. No end of disgruntled ex-service persons who realise after the fact, what they were sent to do was often based on lies, and their patriotism taken advantage of, giving a voice to those who came bag in bags.

All wars are fought over resources or land. Russia wants Ukraine's resources and land, always has. What Stalin did to Ukraine back in the 1930s was an act of genocide on a Jewish holocaust scale. Russian troops have tortured and massacred Ukrainian civilians in extremely brutal fashion. If it happened to your country, would you not fight?

[JayInOz]

Me thinks Vadims country is currently the aggressor in Ukraine. Maybe Vadim needs to be Scotted. JayInOz

[Vadim 68]

. If it happened to your country, would you not fight?

One thing is fighting someone who has invaded your country tying to take your family home and families life, its another thing entirely to put your life on the line in another country you can not find on a map for false reasons.

Easy for someone to call others "selfish" for not wanting to die for a regime they do not support, when they are not the ones whose life is on the line.

[WX]

One thing is fighting someone who has invaded your country tying to take your family home and families life, its another thing entirely to put your life on the line in another country you can not find on a map for false reasons.

Easy for someone to call others "selfish" for not wanting to die for a regime they do not support, when they are not the ones whose life is on the line.

First sentence: Agreed.
Second sentence: Not quite sure of that one. Seems there are plenty on the Russian who don't want to fight...for a number of reasons.

[Vadim 68]

Me thinks Vadims country is currently the aggressor in Ukraine. Maybe Vadim needs to be Scotted. JayInOz

Maybe Vadim was in Eastern Ukraine bringing aid to civilians. Maybe Vadims transport run over a mine. Maybe parts of Vadims leg is still in Ukraine. Maybe Vadim was a medical evacuee via Poland to Sweden so he could lose more of his leg in surgery.

Maybe Vadim is a little tired of armchair experts who make untrue comments .

[Vadim 68]

Seems there are plenty on the Russian who don't want to fight...for a number of reasons.

Sure. I do not believe i ever suggested otherwise. Most recruits never expect to go to an actual war.

[ERGR]

Sweden has reactivated conscription. Finland always kept it going. The support for a concription based military defence is quite solid. To my knowledge, none of the poltitical parties object and there have been no protests. The drawback with a concription based army is that it's awkward to send it abroad farther than our closest neighbours, which essentially means the Nordic countries plus the Baltic states. We'll still need a volunteer/professional element to support NATO countries farther away, which includes Turkey.
/Erik

[Osborne Russell]

Context. You might be willing to be drafted and sent to your death to support a corrupt government, the exodus of young men in Ukraine show they do not share your view.

There's only one context: respect by a nation for another nation's sovereignty. GTFOO Ukraine right F ing now, or we'll force you out, hard enough that you'll not be back for a long time.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Very interesting youtube by “Perun” on Poland’s role in the Ukrainian war. I highly recommend this:

https://youtu.be/sSPhOWDkcPk

[johnw]

Me thinks Vadims country is currently the aggressor in Ukraine. Maybe Vadim needs to be Scotted. JayInOz

O, let him talk.

[epoxyboy]

Maybe Vadim was in Eastern Ukraine bringing aid to civilians. Maybe Vadims transport run over a mine. Maybe parts of Vadims leg is still in Ukraine. Maybe Vadim was a medical evacuee via Poland to Sweden so he could lose more of his leg in surgery.

Maybe Vadim is a little tired of armchair experts who make untrue comments .

No offense, but the "maybe's" leave a lot of room for speculation.
If Vadim has left a part of himself behind in Ukraine, I sincerely hope that is something that he can come to terms with in time. If he hasn't, he might like to reconsider how he interacts with this community.

FWIW, I wouldn't judge anyone for leaving a country at war, I think that is a very personal decision, and one that is loaded with very real consequences either way.
Especially for a younger person with a lifetime ahead of them.

Pete

[LeeG]

Ukraine could be the most corrupt nation ever. Irrelevant.

Irrelevant in some topics relevant in others.

[WX]

Sure. I do not believe i ever suggested otherwise. Most recruits never expect to go to an actual war.

Particularly when they are told they are going on a training exercise.

[WszystekPoTrochu]

Easy for someone to call others "selfish" for not wanting to die for a regime they do not support, when they are not the ones whose life is on the line.

We all know what happened in Bucha, and many other places. We all know heavy repressions were bound to happen, some are just suprised with the ruthlessness and audacity of it. Unless you happen to live in the midwestern Balkans, resisting against foreign aggression is absolutely equal to just caring about your family and neighbours. How far is the governing entity corrupt is of no meaning when there's a violent mob threatening your life, your livelihood, your wife's, mother's, aunt's and even grandmother's basic dignity. This is not changing one bad manager to the other and you know it. And Ukrainians do know it. They've realized it that it does make the difference who steers the ship, first in 2004 and then fully in 2014. The feel of a nation with no helmsman is long gone, the "whatever, they'll just steal and care for themselves anyway" attitude is gone. This is no longer a soviet republic inhabited by homo sovieticus, no matter how much this annoys the neighbour. If you claim staying with own folk means supporting regime, I have questions:
1) What regime? Do you claim that Kiyv is fascist? Did they commit crimes against the easternmost citizens of their coutry?
2) What interest do you have in spreading misinformation, like here, here, here and here? What news do you read?
3) Why the cynic viewpoint? No, it's not 'real' or 'cool headed', it's cynic. Do you believe there's symmetry in this conflict?
4) Why did you decide to join WBF of all places, if all you write about is related to very particular part of geopolitics? Did we just pop up in some random google search in the Petersburg central?

[Osborne Russell]

Irrelevant in some topics relevant in others.

What was it relevant to in the context in which Vadim used it?

[Osborne Russell]

Context. You might be willing to be drafted and sent to your death to support a corrupt government, the exodus of young men in Ukraine show they do not share your view.

Ja, especially the rag flag of the Russian Federation, with which, though it is unworthy, I daub my spinkter.

[George Jung]

Ja, especially the rag flag of the Russian Federation, with which, though it is unworthy, I daub my spinkter.

Can't quite 'put my finger on it' - but that sounds vaguely obscene!

I like it!

[George Jung]

We all know what happened in Bucha, and many other places. We all know heavy repressions were bound to happen, some are just suprised with the ruthlessness and audacity of it. Unless you happen to live in the midwestern Balkans, resisting against foreign aggression is absolutely equal to just caring about your family and neighbours. How far is the governing entity corrupt is of no meaning when there's a violent mob threatening your life, your livelihood, your wife's, mother's, aunt's and even grandmother's basic dignity. This is not changing one bad manager to the other and you know it. And Ukrainians do know it. They've realized it that it does make the difference who steers the ship, first in 2004 and then fully in 2014. The feel of a nation with no helmsman is long gone, the "whatever, they'll just steal and care for themselves anyway" attitude is gone. This is no longer a soviet republic inhabited by homo sovieticus, no matter how much this annoys the neighbour. If you claim staying with own folk means supporting regime, I have questions:
1) What regime? Do you claim that Kiyv is fascist? Did they commit crimes against the easternmost citizens of their coutry?
2) What interest do you have in spreading misinformation, like here, here, here and here? What news do you read?
3) Why the cynic viewpoint? No, it's not 'real' or 'cool headed', it's cynic. Do you believe there's symmetry in this conflict?
4) Why did you decide to join WBF of all places, if all you write about is related to very particular part of geopolitics? Did we just pop up in some random google search in the Petersburg central?

About as nice/thorough an exposition as I've seen.

[George.]

About the only possible strategic maneuver I can see for Ukraine would be to break through the RF front south of Zaporizhzhia, which is being held with those T-62s and similar junk, drive to Melitopol (taking advantage of the developing local insurgency), and then do a left hook to cut off the Crimea, leaving all the Russians between Zaporizhzhia and Kherson cut off and encircled.

That would require an advance of about 300 km. Can Ukraine do it if they assemble everything they have held back and everything that's already in the pipeline?

[epoxyboy]

^ You know the Russians built a bridge across that narrow bit between the Crimean peninsula and the mainland, right?

Pete

[George.]

Yes. Bridges can be blown up. But the point would not be an attempt to liberate Crimea, which would be vastly more difficult. Ukraine would hold the neck of the isthmus, and end Russian dreams of a land bridge.

[Osborne Russell]

Can't quite 'put my finger on it' - but that sounds vaguely obscene!

I like it!

It's a term of art.

That's OK, Rus Boy don't mind. He hates flags. Fit to wipe your spinker, if that. They only represent nationalism, and all nationalism is the same, uh . . . except for Holy Mother Russia. Other than that he's just a big lovable Russian pacifist citizen of the world.

[Lew Barrett]

Maybe Vadim was in Eastern Ukraine bringing aid to civilians. Maybe Vadims transport run over a mine. Maybe parts of Vadims leg is still in Ukraine. Maybe Vadim was a medical evacuee via Poland to Sweden so he could lose more of his leg in surgery.

Maybe Vadim is a little tired of armchair experts who make untrue comments .

If this is autobiographical, I am sorry for your loss. I'd boldly ask that Vadim drop the maybes if this describes his personal situation. Yours is a story I would like to hear. What humanitarian service was Vadim working for at the time?

[Lew Barrett]

I'm depressed as ever about the developments. I've stopped watching the war's progress for now. I suspect I'm not alone in literally feeling physical discomfort about the picture on the ground.

[Garret]

Here we go again. Supposedly enlightened & intelligent people wanting someone they disagree with shut down or removed. Maybe not everyone here want an echo chamber & maybe those who do should use the ignore list.

I'll joint Lew in asking Vadim to share his story - I'd like to hear it.

[George.]

A lot of people here who criticize Putin would act just like him when it comes to freedom of opinion.

[bluedog225]

Why can’t we have a like button?